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Likely you already knew the closest source fit appeared to be the Daily Fail. Despite the blaring headlines and bar charts they couldn't help admitting:Sure, what laws? How do they correlate to the statistics put up? How do they stack up against the rates in the US and why pick only the stats for a city and not for England? Oh and what's the source of these statistics. See one can prove anything by sufficiently cherry picking statistics, or for that matter lie about them by not sourcing.Hmms, so before last year England didn't have strict gun control? Your stats, which you didn't source btw all speak about an increase this year. How does that help your argument?Look no further than London, England, where civilian firearm ownership is de facto banned. Heck, their dear leader had good common sense to ban not only firearms, but sharp, pointy objects as well.
Sorry, you just can't argue the good results, right?
Through March of 2018:
- The murder rate is up 44 percent over the last twelve months
- Violent crime is up 33% over the preceding twelve months
- Home robbery is also up, by a third
- Rape is up 18 percent
Guess those 100lb English ladies are finding the notion of fighting off a 250lb rapist with their fists to be a bit of a sticky wicket???
But hey, but at least there's no gun or knife crime, right?
- Knife crime up 21 percent
- Shootings up 23 percent from the previous year
- More
Hmm...
Well, we all know the only reason London sees this crime is because of all the lax gun laws in nearly Indiana...
Oh, wait. Crap. Never mind.
They added new laws, try to keep up.
Whenever crime slows to a crawl the media is going to blow a gasket the minute a new trend might be indicated. Any OP who withholds their source(s) is simply trolling anyway.According to the crime survey, which the ONS says is the most reliable indicator of long-term trends in the most common types of offending experienced by the general population, there were an estimated 10.6 million incidents of crime, a fall of 7% on the previous 12 months.
Look no further than London, England, where civilian firearm ownership is de facto banned. Heck, their dear leader had good common sense to ban not only firearms, but sharp, pointy objects as well.
Sorry, you just can't argue the good results, right?
Through March of 2018:
- The murder rate is up 44 percent over the last twelve months
- Violent crime is up 33% over the preceding twelve months
- Home robbery is also up, by a third
- Rape is up 18 percent
Guess those 100lb English ladies are finding the notion of fighting off a 250lb rapist with their fists to be a bit of a sticky wicket???
But hey, but at least there's no gun or knife crime, right?
- Knife crime up 21 percent
- Shootings up 23 percent from the previous year
- More
Hmm...
Well, we all know the only reason London sees this crime is because of all the lax gun laws in nearly Indiana...
Oh, wait. Crap. Never mind.
Your analysis is disingenuous.
If there were 2 murders last year and there were 3 murders this year, it would be true to say that the murder rate increased by 50%.
It's the per capita rate that counts.
... would be one where source data is revealed for others to inspect and check your conclusions.An ingenuous analysis
It looks like a section of the chart on page 17, except displayed as a rate (instead of a number), focusing on data from a shorter time period than is available in the official chart, and with an indicator line displayed to show the handgun ban. I've seen stuff like this before, like with a guy researching Detroit violent crime using old US government crime statistics books. Those books didn't have any charts (that I recall seeing, either way he made his own charts using the data), just tables of data. Hardly "fraud."Oh, by the way,
Where? Tell ya why I ask. 'Cause if you still think this sort of garbage:I’m looking at the UK own damn numbers.
was created by www.homeoffice.gov.uk, think again. The link provided below the chart is dead, BUT the entire source indicated remains available >HERE<
Scroll the whole thing, I'll wait... Good, no such chart, right? Can you say FRAUD? I knew you could!
... would be one where source data is revealed for others to inspect and check your conclusions.An ingenuous analysis
Fair enough and good detective work. "Fraud" could be hyperbolic depending on what definition you choose. "Hoax" applies for sure.It looks like a section of the chart on page 17, except displayed as a rate (instead of a number), focusing on data from a shorter time period than is available in the official chart, and with an indicator line displayed to show the handgun ban. I've seen stuff like this before, like with a guy researching Detroit violent crime using old US government crime statistics books. Those books didn't have any charts (that I recall seeing, either way he made his own charts using the data), just tables of data. Hardly "fraud."
Found the data, it's on page 32. Looks like someone copied and pasted the data and made a chart out of it in excel. Feel free to spot check the data. I'm not seeing any "fraud."
Presented and credited to appear unbiased, scientific product of the British govt. Not so. Snuck in by an unusually talented, well funded, spinmeister / charlatan extraordinaire.
Just what the hell are you yammering on and on about? The extended chart, like the customized one, show that all the gun ban accomplished (even if the effect were from the gun ban), was a spike in offenses, which then went back to normal levels. The long-term trend is upward.Fair enough and good detective work. "Fraud" could be hyperbolic depending on what definition you choose. "Hoax" applies for sure.It looks like a section of the chart on page 17, except displayed as a rate (instead of a number), focusing on data from a shorter time period than is available in the official chart, and with an indicator line displayed to show the handgun ban. I've seen stuff like this before, like with a guy researching Detroit violent crime using old US government crime statistics books. Those books didn't have any charts (that I recall seeing, either way he made his own charts using the data), just tables of data. Hardly "fraud."
Found the data, it's on page 32. Looks like someone copied and pasted the data and made a chart out of it in excel. Feel free to spot check the data. I'm not seeing any "fraud."
Presented and credited to appear unbiased, scientific product of the British govt. Not so. Snuck in by an unusually talented, well funded, spinmeister / charlatan extraordinaire.
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"looks like a section of the chart on page 17" - Yep ( >LINK again< ). No wonder he doesn't use the actual chart. A three-year-old could easily tell from the long term trend that
a. The overall variation is slight.
b. The trend is gradual increase initially to a peak followed by gradual decline.
And if,.. if!... If one were to bother reading the surrounding text/description there,... Hwell then...
Thanks and yes, your sources being Murdoch tabloids on top of what has already been presented...Cobbled together from several articles I saw. You have reason to believe the stats are false?
London murder rate soars by 44 per cent and knife crime is up | Daily Mail Online
https://nypost.com/2018/04/26/this-could-be-why-knife-crime-is-rising-in-england/
https://nypost.com/2018/04/26/this-could-be-why-knife-crime-is-rising-in-england/
Red top tabloids, named after their distinguishing red mastheads, employ a form of writing known as tabloid journalism; this style emphasizes features such as sensational crime stories, astrology, gossip columns about the personal lives of celebrities and sports stars, and junk food news. Celebrity gossip columns which appear in red top tabloids and focus on their sexual practices, misuse of narcotics, and the private aspects of their lives often border on, and sometimes cross the line of defamation.
Red tops tend to be written with a simplistic, straightforward vocabulary and grammar; their layout, more often than not, gives greater prominence to the picture than to the word. The writing style of red top tabloids is, ofttimes, accused of sensationalism; in other words, red tops have been accused of deliberately igniting controversy and selectively reporting on attention-grabbing stories, or those with shock value. In the extreme case, red top tabloids have been accused of lying or misrepresenting the truth to increase circulation.
Haha! I really shouldn't laugh, but man! Remind me never to compliment you again. Teehee...Just what the hell are you yammering on and on about? The extended chart, like the customized one, show that all the gun ban accomplished (even if the effect were from the gun ban), was a spike in offenses, which then went back to normal levels. The long-term trend is upward.
You've already been told the cause of violent crime: certain racial minorities. The USA has levels of blacks and latinos that various other European countries simply do not have.
American violence takes place in black inner cities for the most part. Just look at homicide rates: blacks commit 52% while being 13% of the population!
Then there are latinos. Central/South American countries are some of the most violent in the world and often by far. El Salvador has relatively few guns per person, but look at their ridiculous homicide rate. Oh BTW countries like that is where our immigrants tend to come from!
I don't see why you're so concerned with that particular chart anyway. You should just post your ignorant, zero-content reply like you did here.Haha! I really shouldn't laugh, but man! Remind me never to compliment you again. Teehee...Just what the hell are you yammering on and on about? The extended chart, like the customized one, show that all the gun ban accomplished (even if the effect were from the gun ban), was a spike in offenses, which then went back to normal levels. The long-term trend is upward.
You've already been told the cause of violent crime: certain racial minorities. The USA has levels of blacks and latinos that various other European countries simply do not have.
American violence takes place in black inner cities for the most part. Just look at homicide rates: blacks commit 52% while being 13% of the population!
Then there are latinos. Central/South American countries are some of the most violent in the world and often by far. El Salvador has relatively few guns per person, but look at their ridiculous homicide rate. Oh BTW countries like that is where our immigrants tend to come from!
Thanks and yes, your sources being Murdoch tabloids on top of what has already been presented...Cobbled together from several articles I saw. You have reason to believe the stats are false?
London murder rate soars by 44 per cent and knife crime is up | Daily Mail Online
https://nypost.com/2018/04/26/this-could-be-why-knife-crime-is-rising-in-england/
https://nypost.com/2018/04/26/this-could-be-why-knife-crime-is-rising-in-england/
Red top tabloids, named after their distinguishing red mastheads, employ a form of writing known as tabloid journalism; this style emphasizes features such as sensational crime stories, astrology, gossip columns about the personal lives of celebrities and sports stars, and junk food news. Celebrity gossip columns which appear in red top tabloids and focus on their sexual practices, misuse of narcotics, and the private aspects of their lives often border on, and sometimes cross the line of defamation.
Red tops tend to be written with a simplistic, straightforward vocabulary and grammar; their layout, more often than not, gives greater prominence to the picture than to the word. The writing style of red top tabloids is, ofttimes, accused of sensationalism; in other words, red tops have been accused of deliberately igniting controversy and selectively reporting on attention-grabbing stories, or those with shock value. In the extreme case, red top tabloids have been accused of lying or misrepresenting the truth to increase circulation.
Be happy. It's more content than I got out of his stupid ass.Thanks and yes, your sources being Murdoch tabloids on top of what has already been presented...Cobbled together from several articles I saw. You have reason to believe the stats are false?
London murder rate soars by 44 per cent and knife crime is up | Daily Mail Online
https://nypost.com/2018/04/26/this-could-be-why-knife-crime-is-rising-in-england/
https://nypost.com/2018/04/26/this-could-be-why-knife-crime-is-rising-in-england/
Red top tabloids, named after their distinguishing red mastheads, employ a form of writing known as tabloid journalism; this style emphasizes features such as sensational crime stories, astrology, gossip columns about the personal lives of celebrities and sports stars, and junk food news. Celebrity gossip columns which appear in red top tabloids and focus on their sexual practices, misuse of narcotics, and the private aspects of their lives often border on, and sometimes cross the line of defamation.
Red tops tend to be written with a simplistic, straightforward vocabulary and grammar; their layout, more often than not, gives greater prominence to the picture than to the word. The writing style of red top tabloids is, ofttimes, accused of sensationalism; in other words, red tops have been accused of deliberately igniting controversy and selectively reporting on attention-grabbing stories, or those with shock value. In the extreme case, red top tabloids have been accused of lying or misrepresenting the truth to increase circulation.
What exactly is incorrect? If you can't state that with specificity, all you've done is present a logical fallacy. That you don't like the newspaper in which statistics appear is irrelevant.
Concerned with a particular chart now, am I? Let's review, shall we, sweet pea?I don't see why you're so concerned with that particular chart anyway.
Notice sakinago finally posts a >LINK< to a website with long lost idiot John Stossel evident above and prominently advertising several books sporting extremely topic suggestive gun nuttery while having the nerve to claim being impartial, unaffiliated with the NRA, and unfunded by the Kochsuckers or similar Nazi propagandists in its "About" section. Sporting the chart in question as well, among others. It's the first one they show. The one I described as "this sort of garbage" in response to sakinago saying "I’m looking at the UK own damn numbers." That's why, slowpoke. It was just one example. In no way, just "that particular chart". sakinago wasn't "looking at the UK own damn numbers." Do try to keep up.Oh, by the way,
Where? Tell ya why I ask. 'Cause if you still think this sort of garbage:I’m looking at the UK own damn numbers.
was created by www.homeoffice.gov.uk, think again. The link provided below the chart is dead, BUT the entire source indicated remains available >HERE<
Scroll the whole thing, I'll wait... Good, no such chart, right? Can you say FRAUD? I knew you could!
No, I mean why did you bother trying to refute it by saying it's nowhere in that PDF? I thought you were content to use zero-content responses like "Haha! I really shouldn't laugh, but man!" This much effort is out of character for you.Concerned with a particular chart now, am I? Let's review, shall we, sweet pea?I don't see why you're so concerned with that particular chart anyway.
Notice sakinago finally posts a >LINK< to a website with long lost idiot John Stossel evident above and prominently advertising several books sporting extremely topic suggestive gun nuttery while having the nerve to claim being impartial, unaffiliated with the NRA, and unfunded by the Kochsuckers or similar Nazi propagandists in its "About" section. Sporting the chart in question as well, among others. It's the first one they show. The one I described as "this sort of garbage" in response to sakinago saying "I’m looking at the UK own damn numbers." That's why, slowpoke. It was just one example. In no way, just "that particular chart". sakinago wasn't "looking at the UK own damn numbers." Do try to keep up.Oh, by the way,
Where? Tell ya why I ask. 'Cause if you still think this sort of garbage:I’m looking at the UK own damn numbers.
was created by www.homeoffice.gov.uk, think again. The link provided below the chart is dead, BUT the entire source indicated remains available >HERE<
Scroll the whole thing, I'll wait... Good, no such chart, right? Can you say FRAUD? I knew you could!
John Stossel <- nuff said right there. All intelligent life knows it's crap already!
Oh, I don't think you want to bore the readers with a review of the tons already presented. But, no worries, bgrouse can help you:What exactly is incorrect? If you can't state that with specificity, all you've done is present a logical fallacy. That you don't like the newspaper in which statistics appear is irrelevant.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, but whoever made the chart appears to have used the first (Year) and fifth (Offenses currently recorded as homicide per million population) columns of the data table as the source data, so I don't see anything underhanded.Oh, I don't think you want to bore the readers with a review of the tons already presented. But, no worries, bgrouse can help you:What exactly is incorrect? If you can't state that with specificity, all you've done is present a logical fallacy. That you don't like the newspaper in which statistics appear is irrelevant.
"It looks like a section of the chart on page 17, except displayed as a rate (instead of a number), focusing on data from a shorter time period than is available in the official chart, and with an indicator line displayed to show the handgun ban."
Got it? No? Alright, see it "looks like" the chart "except" it's clearly not. A section "displayed as a rate" that's actually displayed as simply the raw numbers in the genuine, original chart.
Sure, but what does that have to do with your or anybody else here? Are you implying your zero-content posts lead anyone to water?You can lead a horse water and that's it.
