Gun Control question for liberals?

[Pogo]

The tenure among most Liberals is that they don’t like private citizens owning guns. Yet, if you had your way and everyone turned over their guns, that would leave police and criminals having guns. Liberals are also the first to attack the police. How is it you are okay with police having guns and how would you get guns from criminals?

I am a liberal and I own four guns. WTF are you talking about?

Nothing towards the absolute. Clearly, you are exceptional.

Excuse me for jumping in, but that is so condescending yet my liberal friends (and I) have as many guns as the other guys. Right wing does NOT have a lock on who owns what. But that seems to be your train of thought. Not commonality.

the problem is they keep confusing liberal and leftist,,,,

I'm a classic liberal on most issues, and it would take me an hour to just find all my guns to count them,,,

this labeling people you dont even know causes a lot of misconceptions and failed opinions,,,

Careful with that kind of talk. Ray From Cleveland will put you on (gasp) Ignore.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Making someone get training is nowhere in the same ballpark as forcing them to devote a year of their lives in involuntary servitude that may result in their death in armed conflict, hyperbole or not.

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A mandatory year of military service would have several beneficial results, one of which would be fire arms training. One other, undoing some of the leftist indoctrination and giving them a crash course on how to be an adult instead of a perpetually offended little hyper sensitive democrat cry baby.

I spent 8 years in the AF and I'm not dead.

Some career fields require up to a year in training (not to mention getting mission qualified at the unit level).

Like what?

I was an 'Integrated Avionics Instrumentation/Flight Controls System Specialist on the F-16, and there was only one school harder than that in the Air Force and that was Missiles, and those schools are no longer than a couple months. The new Missile and Space Systems Maintenance course in the Air Force is only 70 days, and it's the hardest school there is.

I know of no military training that takes a year in any branch.

Linguists require up to a year or more of training.

U.S. Air Force - Career Detail - Cryptologic Language Analyst

Point is we don’t disagree on the concept just the length. That said, I’d like to see more of the population having some skin in the game too. You want federal aid for college....fine do a 2-4 year stint in the military or some other public service first.

To add insult to injury, some kid goes to college that I end up paying for. He becomes a lawyer. Now when I need legal services, he charges me $500.00 an hour because he's a lawyer thanks to all that tax money I worked for.

Under the new system, you would also have benefited by that same paid education, you would also be charging him to flip his burgers and get his fries. What's your point here, buckie?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Cars have been confiscated if they are not registered or the registration expired.

They have? Pulled out of peoples' garages and stuff?

No, if you get caught driving them.

Well, sure - if caught driving them on the road.

They will however tow your car off of your property if the car doesn't have current plates.

On what grounds,and in what state? You don't need to register that's not driven on public property.

Again, here in Ohio, you get a new registration when you get your stickers through mail. And yes, if a vehicle is in plain view of an officer, and does not have plates or current tags, they will tow it off the property. This happened to a friend of mine, and I also read our police blotter all the time. They have reported towing unlicensed vehicles off of private property because of no plate or stickers.

I guess it keeps the yards from looking like a redneck yard. If you want one of those, I suggest you either get the laws changed at the state level or move to Alabama or West Virginia.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

The tenure among most Liberals is that they don’t like private citizens owning guns. Yet, if you had your way and everyone turned over their guns, that would leave police and criminals having guns. Liberals are also the first to attack the police. How is it you are okay with police having guns and how would you get guns from criminals?

I am a liberal and I own four guns. WTF are you talking about?

Nothing towards the absolute. Clearly, you are exceptional.

Excuse me for jumping in, but that is so condescending yet my liberal friends (and I) have as many guns as the other guys. Right wing does NOT have a lock on who owns what. But that seems to be your train of thought. Not commonality.

Don't do that. You are going to bust their wet dream of an easy victory in the coming Revolution where all the Liberals aren't armed and won't shoot back.

 

[progressive hunter]

A mandatory year of military service would have several beneficial results, one of which would be fire arms training. One other, undoing some of the leftist indoctrination and giving them a crash course on how to be an adult instead of a perpetually offended little hyper sensitive democrat cry baby.

I spent 8 years in the AF and I'm not dead.

Some career fields require up to a year in training (not to mention getting mission qualified at the unit level).

Like what?

I was an 'Integrated Avionics Instrumentation/Flight Controls System Specialist on the F-16, and there was only one school harder than that in the Air Force and that was Missiles, and those schools are no longer than a couple months. The new Missile and Space Systems Maintenance course in the Air Force is only 70 days, and it's the hardest school there is.

I know of no military training that takes a year in any branch.

Linguists require up to a year or more of training.

U.S. Air Force - Career Detail - Cryptologic Language Analyst

Point is we don’t disagree on the concept just the length. That said, I’d like to see more of the population having some skin in the game too. You want federal aid for college....fine do a 2-4 year stint in the military or some other public service first.

To add insult to injury, some kid goes to college that I end up paying for. He becomes a lawyer. Now when I need legal services, he charges me $500.00 an hour because he's a lawyer thanks to all that tax money I worked for.

Under the new system, you would also have benefited by that same paid education, you would also be charging him to flip his burgers and get his fries. What's your point here, buckie?

one causes harm and the other doesnt,,,

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I am a liberal and I own four guns. WTF are you talking about?

Nothing towards the absolute. Clearly, you are exceptional.

Excuse me for jumping in, but that is so condescending yet my liberal friends (and I) have as many guns as the other guys. Right wing does NOT have a lock on who owns what. But that seems to be your train of thought. Not commonality.

the problem is they keep confusing liberal and leftist,,,,

I'm a classic liberal on most issues, and it would take me an hour to just find all my guns to count them,,,

this labeling people you dont even know causes a lot of misconceptions and failed opinions,,,

Fair enough. Yet you people equally confuse labels by aligning GOPer with a Conservative and ignore the fact that many GOPers are Liberal.

who is ,,,YOU PEOPLE???

AND YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT,,,
YOU LABELED ME AND DONT KNOW A FUCKING THING ABOUT ME,,,

 

[Flash]

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I am a liberal and I own four guns. WTF are you talking about?

I'm a Liberal and I have four guns too.

I think it's four. Could be five.

I have over 50. Most of my buddies have that many or more. I have one friend that has (no exaggeration) close to a 1,000 firearms.

I also have tens of thousands of rounds of ammo and hundreds of high capacity magazines.

However, I am no goddamn Liberal.

 

[Wry Catcher]

The tenure among most Liberals is that they don’t like private citizens owning guns. Yet, if you had your way and everyone turned over their guns, that would leave police and criminals having guns. Liberals are also the first to attack the police. How is it you are okay with police having guns and how would you get guns from criminals?

Actually, confiscating over 300 million guns is not practical

So the emphasis has to be on keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, crazies and those with depression

This means strict reporting rules, registration, licensing and background checks

Also means banning high capacity magazines and military grade weapons

Police can have as many guns as they wish

In a democratic republic, police can not have as many guns as they wish.
In a democratic republic, the authority for anyone to have weapons comes from the inherent rights of individuals, and only these inherent rights of individuals are the source of ability for police to have guns.
If you restrict the rights of individuals to have guns, then these individual then no longer would have the authority to allow police, (which they create), to have guns, so then police would have to be disarmed first.

And no, there is no way, means, practical ability, or legal basis for government to keep weapons out of the hands of anyone. If there are dangerous people like criminals, crazies, etc., then you supervise them, not the possible weapons they could employ. They would be just as dangerous with cars, poisons, fertilizers, flammables, etc.

Registration, licensing, background checks, reporting, etc., are all just inherently illegal in a democratic republic.
The founders considered making military grade weapons mandatory, because they are essential to the existence of a democratic republic.
Restrict them and you no longer have a democratic republic, no matter what you claim.
The main threat to any democratic republic always comes from government corruption, not armed private citizens.

 

[Pogo]

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I am a liberal and I own four guns. WTF are you talking about?

I'm a Liberal and I have four guns too.

I think it's four. Could be five.

I have over 50. Most of my buddies have that many or more. I have one friend that has (no exaggeration) close to a 1,000 firearms.

I also have tens of thousands of rounds of ammo and hundreds of high capacity magazines.

However, I am no goddamn Liberal.

None of mine need this "ammo" thing.

I have a couple of staple guns, one of which is YUGE for big jobs;
I have a caulking gun for filling in gaps;
I have a soldering gun for electrical work.

There could be either another caulking gun or another staple gun. So its maybe four, maybe five.

You know, constructive stuff. None of them used to kill people.
That's how I roll.

But I'm reconsidering.....
--- you think I should get a glue gun?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Cars have been confiscated if they are not registered or the registration expired.

They have? Pulled out of peoples' garages and stuff?

No, if you get caught driving them.

Well, sure - if caught driving them on the road.

They will however tow your car off of your property if the car doesn't have current plates.

On what grounds,and in what state? You don't need to register that's not driven on public property.

Again, here in Ohio, you get a new registration when you get your stickers through mail. And yes, if a vehicle is in plain view of an officer, and does not have plates or current tags, they will tow it off the property. This happened to a friend of mine, and I also read our police blotter all the time. They have reported towing unlicensed vehicles off of private property because of no plate or stickers.

I guess it keeps the yards from looking like a redneck yard. If you want one of those, I suggest you either get the laws changed at the state level or move to Alabama or West Virginia.

I have no problem with it. I never had a vehicle that didn't have plates. But all those Democrats around here who use temporary tags all the time get their vehicles towed away because they forget to renew them before the expiration date, or they run out of money. They don't want to take it for an e-check because they's have to spend a couple hundred dollars towards getting it fixed to get real plates.

 

[Flash]

[
I am a liberal and I own four guns. WTF are you talking about?

I'm a Liberal and I have four guns too.

I think it's four. Could be five.

I have over 50. Most of my buddies have that many or more. I have one friend that has (no exaggeration) close to a 1,000 firearms.

I also have tens of thousands of rounds of ammo and hundreds of high capacity magazines.

However, I am no goddamn Liberal.

None of mine need this "ammo" thing.

I have a couple of staple guns, one of which is YUGE for big jobs;
I have a caulking gun for filling in gaps;
I have a soldering gun for electrical work.

There could be either another caulking gun or another staple gun. So its maybe four, maybe five.

You know, constructive stuff. None of them used to kill people.
That's how I roll.

But I'm reconsidering.....
--- you think I should get a glue gun?

None of my guns have ever killed anybody. Just shot holes in paper and provided security for my family and the free state. Very constructive.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A mandatory year of military service would have several beneficial results, one of which would be fire arms training. One other, undoing some of the leftist indoctrination and giving them a crash course on how to be an adult instead of a perpetually offended little hyper sensitive democrat cry baby.

I spent 8 years in the AF and I'm not dead.

Some career fields require up to a year in training (not to mention getting mission qualified at the unit level).

Like what?

I was an 'Integrated Avionics Instrumentation/Flight Controls System Specialist on the F-16, and there was only one school harder than that in the Air Force and that was Missiles, and those schools are no longer than a couple months. The new Missile and Space Systems Maintenance course in the Air Force is only 70 days, and it's the hardest school there is.

I know of no military training that takes a year in any branch.

Linguists require up to a year or more of training.

U.S. Air Force - Career Detail - Cryptologic Language Analyst

Point is we don’t disagree on the concept just the length. That said, I’d like to see more of the population having some skin in the game too. You want federal aid for college....fine do a 2-4 year stint in the military or some other public service first.

To add insult to injury, some kid goes to college that I end up paying for. He becomes a lawyer. Now when I need legal services, he charges me $500.00 an hour because he's a lawyer thanks to all that tax money I worked for.

Under the new system, you would also have benefited by that same paid education, you would also be charging him to flip his burgers and get his fries. What's your point here, buckie?

The point here is an advanced education is an investment, just like stocks, commodities, CD's, real estate or any other business.

The taxpayers should not be in charge of funding investments for other people. If you want to make that investment, do it with your own money. After all, you're the one that's going to get that money back.

 

[Pogo]

[
I am a liberal and I own four guns. WTF are you talking about?

I'm a Liberal and I have four guns too.

I think it's four. Could be five.

I have over 50. Most of my buddies have that many or more. I have one friend that has (no exaggeration) close to a 1,000 firearms.

I also have tens of thousands of rounds of ammo and hundreds of high capacity magazines.

However, I am no goddamn Liberal.

None of mine need this "ammo" thing.

I have a couple of staple guns, one of which is YUGE for big jobs;
I have a caulking gun for filling in gaps;
I have a soldering gun for electrical work.

There could be either another caulking gun or another staple gun. So its maybe four, maybe five.

You know, constructive stuff. None of them used to kill people.
That's how I roll.

But I'm reconsidering.....
--- you think I should get a glue gun?

None of my guns have ever killed anybody. Just shot holes in paper and provided security for my family and the free state. Very constructive.

Somebody could have written down a cure for cancer on that paper.

You killed it.

Your "security" fantasy is STILL derived from the THREAT of killing. Isn't it.

My staple guns tack nothing up by threatening to punch a staple. My caulking gun fills no cracks by threatening to. My soldering gun solidifies no electrical connections by threatening to.

Everything has its function. The difference is, I don't have to lie about what my tools' functions are.

 

[Flash]

 

[Flash]

I'm a Liberal and I have four guns too.

I think it's four. Could be five.

I have over 50. Most of my buddies have that many or more. I have one friend that has (no exaggeration) close to a 1,000 firearms.

I also have tens of thousands of rounds of ammo and hundreds of high capacity magazines.

However, I am no goddamn Liberal.

None of mine need this "ammo" thing.

I have a couple of staple guns, one of which is YUGE for big jobs;
I have a caulking gun for filling in gaps;
I have a soldering gun for electrical work.

There could be either another caulking gun or another staple gun. So its maybe four, maybe five.

You know, constructive stuff. None of them used to kill people.
That's how I roll.

But I'm reconsidering.....
--- you think I should get a glue gun?

None of my guns have ever killed anybody. Just shot holes in paper and provided security for my family and the free state. Very constructive.

Somebody could have written down a cure for cancer on that paper.

You killed it.

Your "security" fantasy is STILL derived from the THREAT of killing. Isn't it.

My staple guns tack nothing up by threatening to punch a staple. My caulking gun fills no cracks by threatening to. My soldering gun solidifies no electrical connections by threatening to.

Everything has its function. The difference is, I don't have to lie about what my tools' functions are.

Our Founding Fathers weren't fantasizing when they said that the right to keep and bear arms was necessary for the security of a free state. I shit you not. It is right there in the Constitution. Go look it up.

Of course you stupid Moon Bats are just as ignorant of the Constitution as you are of Economics, History, Ethics, Climate Science and Biology.

By the way, sometimes those piece of paper I shot holes in were pictures of that worthless Neggra Obama, Crooked Hillary and Slick Willy. Certainly no cure for cancer.

 

[Pogo]

I'm a Liberal and I have four guns too.

I think it's four. Could be five.

I have over 50. Most of my buddies have that many or more. I have one friend that has (no exaggeration) close to a 1,000 firearms.

I also have tens of thousands of rounds of ammo and hundreds of high capacity magazines.

However, I am no goddamn Liberal.

None of mine need this "ammo" thing.

I have a couple of staple guns, one of which is YUGE for big jobs;
I have a caulking gun for filling in gaps;
I have a soldering gun for electrical work.

There could be either another caulking gun or another staple gun. So its maybe four, maybe five.

You know, constructive stuff. None of them used to kill people.
That's how I roll.

But I'm reconsidering.....
--- you think I should get a glue gun?

None of my guns have ever killed anybody. Just shot holes in paper and provided security for my family and the free state. Very constructive.

Somebody could have written down a cure for cancer on that paper.

You killed it.

Your "security" fantasy is STILL derived from the THREAT of killing. Isn't it.

My staple guns tack nothing up by threatening to punch a staple. My caulking gun fills no cracks by threatening to. My soldering gun solidifies no electrical connections by threatening to.

Everything has its function. The difference is, I don't have to lie about what my tools' functions are.

Our Founding Fathers weren't fantasizing when they said that the right to keep and bear arms was necessary for the security of a free state. I shit you not. It is right there in the Constitution. Go look it up.

Of course you stupid Moon Bats are just as ignorant of the Constitution as you are of Economics, History, Ethics, Climate Science and Biology.

By the way, sometimes those piece of paper I shot holes in were pictures of that worthless Neggra Obama, Crooked Hillary and Slick Willy. Certainly no cure for cancer.

Yyyyyeah um, I have no need to "look it up". I called out the OP's misuse of the term "Liberals" as soon as Jimmy Olsen's watch called me here. And I noted that we wrote that Amendment.

So kiss my ass with that COTUSier-than-thou shit.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

They have? Pulled out of peoples' garages and stuff?

No, if you get caught driving them.

Well, sure - if caught driving them on the road.

They will however tow your car off of your property if the car doesn't have current plates.

On what grounds,and in what state? You don't need to register that's not driven on public property.

Again, here in Ohio, you get a new registration when you get your stickers through mail. And yes, if a vehicle is in plain view of an officer, and does not have plates or current tags, they will tow it off the property. This happened to a friend of mine, and I also read our police blotter all the time. They have reported towing unlicensed vehicles off of private property because of no plate or stickers.

I guess it keeps the yards from looking like a redneck yard. If you want one of those, I suggest you either get the laws changed at the state level or move to Alabama or West Virginia.

I have no problem with it. I never had a vehicle that didn't have plates. But all those Democrats around here who use temporary tags all the time get their vehicles towed away because they forget to renew them before the expiration date, or they run out of money. They don't want to take it for an e-check because they's have to spend a couple hundred dollars towards getting it fixed to get real plates.

So, Blinkie, it's only Democrats that get their cars towed. I guess when just before a Republican gets his towed he immediately converts to Democrat. It must be a darwin type thing. Thank you for splainin' that to me Lucy.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Some career fields require up to a year in training (not to mention getting mission qualified at the unit level).

Like what?

I was an 'Integrated Avionics Instrumentation/Flight Controls System Specialist on the F-16, and there was only one school harder than that in the Air Force and that was Missiles, and those schools are no longer than a couple months. The new Missile and Space Systems Maintenance course in the Air Force is only 70 days, and it's the hardest school there is.

I know of no military training that takes a year in any branch.

Linguists require up to a year or more of training.

U.S. Air Force - Career Detail - Cryptologic Language Analyst

Point is we don’t disagree on the concept just the length. That said, I’d like to see more of the population having some skin in the game too. You want federal aid for college....fine do a 2-4 year stint in the military or some other public service first.

To add insult to injury, some kid goes to college that I end up paying for. He becomes a lawyer. Now when I need legal services, he charges me $500.00 an hour because he's a lawyer thanks to all that tax money I worked for.

Under the new system, you would also have benefited by that same paid education, you would also be charging him to flip his burgers and get his fries. What's your point here, buckie?

The point here is an advanced education is an investment, just like stocks, commodities, CD's, real estate or any other business.

The taxpayers should not be in charge of funding investments for other people. If you want to make that investment, do it with your own money. After all, you're the one that's going to get that money back.

So, only the Rich and Chosen should have those Privileges, right? Most of the rest of the free world disagrees with you and the US slowly slips towards a 3rd world country in education. Make sense to me now that you have splained it to me, Lucy.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Like what?

I was an 'Integrated Avionics Instrumentation/Flight Controls System Specialist on the F-16, and there was only one school harder than that in the Air Force and that was Missiles, and those schools are no longer than a couple months. The new Missile and Space Systems Maintenance course in the Air Force is only 70 days, and it's the hardest school there is.

I know of no military training that takes a year in any branch.

Linguists require up to a year or more of training.

U.S. Air Force - Career Detail - Cryptologic Language Analyst

Point is we don’t disagree on the concept just the length. That said, I’d like to see more of the population having some skin in the game too. You want federal aid for college....fine do a 2-4 year stint in the military or some other public service first.

To add insult to injury, some kid goes to college that I end up paying for. He becomes a lawyer. Now when I need legal services, he charges me $500.00 an hour because he's a lawyer thanks to all that tax money I worked for.

Under the new system, you would also have benefited by that same paid education, you would also be charging him to flip his burgers and get his fries. What's your point here, buckie?

The point here is an advanced education is an investment, just like stocks, commodities, CD's, real estate or any other business.

The taxpayers should not be in charge of funding investments for other people. If you want to make that investment, do it with your own money. After all, you're the one that's going to get that money back.

So, only the Rich and Chosen should have those Privileges, right? Most of the rest of the free world disagrees with you and the US slowly slips towards a 3rd world country in education. Make sense to me now that you have splained it to me, Lucy.

My sister and her ex are far from rich, and both my niece and nephew are college graduates. They took out a lot of loans, and are still repaying them. If you don't have that kind of ambition, you can always learn a trade which is much cheaper, puts you in the workforce much quicker, but requires you to do physical labor.

If you want what the rest of the world wants, you need to live in the rest of the world. Here in the US, if you want something of value, you need to provide it for yourself.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, if you get caught driving them.

Well, sure - if caught driving them on the road.

They will however tow your car off of your property if the car doesn't have current plates.

On what grounds,and in what state? You don't need to register that's not driven on public property.

Again, here in Ohio, you get a new registration when you get your stickers through mail. And yes, if a vehicle is in plain view of an officer, and does not have plates or current tags, they will tow it off the property. This happened to a friend of mine, and I also read our police blotter all the time. They have reported towing unlicensed vehicles off of private property because of no plate or stickers.

I guess it keeps the yards from looking like a redneck yard. If you want one of those, I suggest you either get the laws changed at the state level or move to Alabama or West Virginia.

I have no problem with it. I never had a vehicle that didn't have plates. But all those Democrats around here who use temporary tags all the time get their vehicles towed away because they forget to renew them before the expiration date, or they run out of money. They don't want to take it for an e-check because they's have to spend a couple hundred dollars towards getting it fixed to get real plates.

So, Blinkie, it's only Democrats that get their cars towed. I guess when just before a Republican gets his towed he immediately converts to Democrat. It must be a darwin type thing. Thank you for splainin' that to me Lucy.

Glad to explain anything that doesn't make sense to you..........which is quite a lot.