Growing Arab Support For Israel

That's why I openly talk about the Anusim and Pathans.
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The revolution is not only external,
when the founders named it Israel, they did mean all Israel.

Of course, or the flag would be the Menorah and the country would have been called "Judah" and Judah would have assumed a protectorate over Jerusalem as the original assumed a protectorate over the family like a kingdom. This did not happen even though the drive for that formation was deep and strong. imho? Hearts were hardened to those pleas.

It's an amazing time to be alive and animated in this body.
 
RE: Growing Arab Support For Israel
⁜→ rylah, et al,

I think that most people would not quite understand the meaning of: “All Israel will be saved” These are five small words that are to be taken more philosophically than literally.

Liked the last part especially...
That's why I openly talk about the Anusim and Pathans.

The revolution is not only external,
when the founders named it Israel, they did mean all Israel.
(COMMENT)

It is a mindset. At this point on the timeline, I'm not sure what the face of Israell will finally look like.

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Most Respectfully,
R
 
RE: Growing Arab Support For Israel
⁜→ rylah, et al,

I think that most people would not quite understand the meaning of: “All Israel will be saved” These are five small words that are to be taken more philosophically than literally.

Liked the last part especially...
That's why I openly talk about the Anusim and Pathans.

The revolution is not only external,
when the founders named it Israel, they did mean all Israel.
(COMMENT)

It is a mindset. At this point on the timeline, I'm not sure what the face of Israell will finally look like.

SIGIL PAIR.png
Most Respectfully,
R



 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.

Binyamin Z. Herzl Ztz"l spoke his mind at different stages of his own identity crisis,
which was archetypal to large portion of the whole nation.

One has to remember that Mosheh Rabbenu A"H was an Egyptian prince,
when 'he went out and saw an Egyptian man beat up Dryfus'.
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.

Binyamin Z. Herzl Ztz"l spoke his mind at different stages of his own identity crisis,
which was archetypal to large portion of the whole nation.

One has to remember that Mosheh Rabbenu A"H was an Egyptian prince,
when 'he went out and saw an Egyptian man beat up Dryfus'.
It is as it shall be.

The socialist and atheist intentions were and are clear and they were the creators of Israel's political structure.
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.

Binyamin Z. Herzl Ztz"l spoke his mind at different stages of his own identity crisis,
which was archetypal to large portion of the whole nation.

One has to remember that Mosheh Rabbenu A"H was an Egyptian prince,
when 'he went out and saw an Egyptian man beat up Dryfus'.
It is as it shall be.

The socialist and atheist intentions were and are clear and they were the creators of Israel's political structure.

Which creators, Rabbi Uziel Ztz"l or David ben-Gurion Ztz"l?

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Zionism is a political platform of rejuvenation of the nation,
representing various opposing views and revolutionary ideologies.

Socialism was just one of them, though one of main ideologies at the time,
it essentially ended in Israel 20 years into the declaration of independence.
And finally with the 'turnover', as Likud took the wheel from the left.

Aren't You limiting Zionism by conflating it with Socialism?
 
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Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.
Even before Herzl, Zionism had already begun with the Christians William Hechler & Henri Dunant. Neither Herzl nor any other Jew was first to create Zionist ideology. Herzl did however fulfill it. Check it out.
 
It changes nothing I said.
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.
Even before Herzl, Zionism had already begun with the Christians William Hechler & Henri Dunant. Neither Herzl nor any other Jew was first to create Zionist ideology. Herzl did however fulfill it. Check it out.
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.

Binyamin Z. Herzl Ztz"l spoke his mind at different stages of his own identity crisis,
which was archetypal to large portion of the whole nation.

One has to remember that Mosheh Rabbenu A"H was an Egyptian prince,
when 'he went out and saw an Egyptian man beat up Dryfus'.
It is as it shall be.

The socialist and atheist intentions were and are clear and they were the creators of Israel's political structure.

Which creators, Rabbi Uziel Ztz"l or David ben-Gurion Ztz"l?

557203


Zionism is a political platform of rejuvenation of the nation,
representing various opposing views and revolutionary ideologies.

Socialism was just one of them, though one of main ideologies at the time,
it essentially ended in Israel 20 years into the declaration of independence.
And finally with the 'turnover', as Likud took the wheel from the left.

Aren't You limiting Zionism by conflating it with Socialism?

The people behind the scenes who voted to recognize. The partition plan created by Canadian socialist Lester B Pearson and others... to... work towards an end to Judaism and to further Zionism of their intent.


I know that you're a socialist. Atheism is that portion.

The twain will not meet imho.
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.

Binyamin Z. Herzl Ztz"l spoke his mind at different stages of his own identity crisis,
which was archetypal to large portion of the whole nation.

One has to remember that Mosheh Rabbenu A"H was an Egyptian prince,
when 'he went out and saw an Egyptian man beat up Dryfus'.
It is as it shall be.

The socialist and atheist intentions were and are clear and they were the creators of Israel's political structure.

Which creators, Rabbi Uziel Ztz"l or David ben-Gurion Ztz"l?

557203


Zionism is a political platform of rejuvenation of the nation,
representing various opposing views and revolutionary ideologies.

Socialism was just one of them, though one of main ideologies at the time,
it essentially ended in Israel 20 years into the declaration of independence.
And finally with the 'turnover', as Likud took the wheel from the left.

Aren't You limiting Zionism by conflating it with Socialism?

The people behind the scenes who voted to recognize. The partition plan created by Canadian socialist Lester B Pearson and others... to... work towards an end to Judaism and to further Zionism of their intent.


I know that you're a socialist. Atheism is that portion.

The twain will not meet imho.

Wait, what, I'm a socialist???
We're Jews, defying all categories - we're both capitalists and a socialist shteitel striving for a monarchy.

And again You seem to define a whole political/cultural movement by isolated aspects and ideologies,
instead of looking at the whole phenomena comprising a whole variety of opposing ideologies,
in this case specifically concentrating on a proposition coming from a 3rd party.

Zionism, beyond the basic premise, was never a set ideology, but an umbrella for all various ideologies to fulfill that basic premise. Capitalism and socialism are merely economic theories, as much as parliamentary democracy a political, Israeli society can move in and out of them or fuse them in a unique manner, it can switch to a parliamentary monarchy and all that still part of and integral development along the parameters of the basic premise.

Any organization that has to do with Jews living in and building the land of Israel,
fulfilling the commandments of the land - is Zionism, regardless of changing shape or form.
As much Halachah of each generation following basic parameters is Halachah, regardless shape or form.
 
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Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.

Binyamin Z. Herzl Ztz"l spoke his mind at different stages of his own identity crisis,
which was archetypal to large portion of the whole nation.

One has to remember that Mosheh Rabbenu A"H was an Egyptian prince,
when 'he went out and saw an Egyptian man beat up Dryfus'.
It is as it shall be.

The socialist and atheist intentions were and are clear and they were the creators of Israel's political structure.

Which creators, Rabbi Uziel Ztz"l or David ben-Gurion Ztz"l?

557203


Zionism is a political platform of rejuvenation of the nation,
representing various opposing views and revolutionary ideologies.

Socialism was just one of them, though one of main ideologies at the time,
it essentially ended in Israel 20 years into the declaration of independence.
And finally with the 'turnover', as Likud took the wheel from the left.

Aren't You limiting Zionism by conflating it with Socialism?

The people behind the scenes who voted to recognize. The partition plan created by Canadian socialist Lester B Pearson and others... to... work towards an end to Judaism and to further Zionism of their intent.


I know that you're a socialist. Atheism is that portion.

The twain will not meet imho.

Wait, what, I'm a socialist???
We're Jews, defying all categories - we're both capitalists and a socialist shteitel striving for a monarchy.

And again You seem to define a whole political/cultural movement by isolated aspects and ideologies,
instead of looking at the whole phenomena comprising a whole variety of opposing ideologies,
in this case specifically concentrating on a proposition coming from a 3rd party.

Zionism, beyond the basic premise, was never a set ideology, but an umbrella for all various ideologies to fulfill that basic premise. Capitalism and socialism are merely economic theories, as much as parliamentary democracy a political, Israeli society can move in and out of them or fuse them in a unique manner, it can switch to a parliamentary monarchy and all that still part of and integral development along the parameters of the basic premise.

Any organization that has to do with Jews living in and building the land of Israel,
fulfilling the commandments of the land - is Zionism, regardless of changing shape or form.
As much Halachah of each generation following basic parameters is Halachah, regardless shape or form.
Did you vote Netanyahu or Gantz?
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.

Binyamin Z. Herzl Ztz"l spoke his mind at different stages of his own identity crisis,
which was archetypal to large portion of the whole nation.

One has to remember that Mosheh Rabbenu A"H was an Egyptian prince,
when 'he went out and saw an Egyptian man beat up Dryfus'.
It is as it shall be.

The socialist and atheist intentions were and are clear and they were the creators of Israel's political structure.

Which creators, Rabbi Uziel Ztz"l or David ben-Gurion Ztz"l?

557203


Zionism is a political platform of rejuvenation of the nation,
representing various opposing views and revolutionary ideologies.

Socialism was just one of them, though one of main ideologies at the time,
it essentially ended in Israel 20 years into the declaration of independence.
And finally with the 'turnover', as Likud took the wheel from the left.

Aren't You limiting Zionism by conflating it with Socialism?

The people behind the scenes who voted to recognize. The partition plan created by Canadian socialist Lester B Pearson and others... to... work towards an end to Judaism and to further Zionism of their intent.


I know that you're a socialist. Atheism is that portion.

The twain will not meet imho.

Wait, what, I'm a socialist???
We're Jews, defying all categories - we're both capitalists and a socialist shteitel striving for a monarchy.

And again You seem to define a whole political/cultural movement by isolated aspects and ideologies,
instead of looking at the whole phenomena comprising a whole variety of opposing ideologies,
in this case specifically concentrating on a proposition coming from a 3rd party.

Zionism, beyond the basic premise, was never a set ideology, but an umbrella for all various ideologies to fulfill that basic premise. Capitalism and socialism are merely economic theories, as much as parliamentary democracy a political, Israeli society can move in and out of them or fuse them in a unique manner, it can switch to a parliamentary monarchy and all that still part of and integral development along the parameters of the basic premise.

Any organization that has to do with Jews living in and building the land of Israel,
fulfilling the commandments of the land - is Zionism, regardless of changing shape or form.
As much Halachah of each generation following basic parameters is Halachah, regardless shape or form.
Did you vote Netanyahu or Gantz?
'Otzmah Yehudit and Yahadut HaTorah.
Did You watch the latest Caroline Glick interview in Hebrew?
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.

Binyamin Z. Herzl Ztz"l spoke his mind at different stages of his own identity crisis,
which was archetypal to large portion of the whole nation.

One has to remember that Mosheh Rabbenu A"H was an Egyptian prince,
when 'he went out and saw an Egyptian man beat up Dryfus'.
It is as it shall be.

The socialist and atheist intentions were and are clear and they were the creators of Israel's political structure.

Which creators, Rabbi Uziel Ztz"l or David ben-Gurion Ztz"l?

557203


Zionism is a political platform of rejuvenation of the nation,
representing various opposing views and revolutionary ideologies.

Socialism was just one of them, though one of main ideologies at the time,
it essentially ended in Israel 20 years into the declaration of independence.
And finally with the 'turnover', as Likud took the wheel from the left.

Aren't You limiting Zionism by conflating it with Socialism?

The people behind the scenes who voted to recognize. The partition plan created by Canadian socialist Lester B Pearson and others... to... work towards an end to Judaism and to further Zionism of their intent.


I know that you're a socialist. Atheism is that portion.

The twain will not meet imho.

Wait, what, I'm a socialist???
We're Jews, defying all categories - we're both capitalists and a socialist shteitel striving for a monarchy.

And again You seem to define a whole political/cultural movement by isolated aspects and ideologies,
instead of looking at the whole phenomena comprising a whole variety of opposing ideologies,
in this case specifically concentrating on a proposition coming from a 3rd party.

Zionism, beyond the basic premise, was never a set ideology, but an umbrella for all various ideologies to fulfill that basic premise. Capitalism and socialism are merely economic theories, as much as parliamentary democracy a political, Israeli society can move in and out of them or fuse them in a unique manner, it can switch to a parliamentary monarchy and all that still part of and integral development along the parameters of the basic premise.

Any organization that has to do with Jews living in and building the land of Israel,
fulfilling the commandments of the land - is Zionism, regardless of changing shape or form.
As much Halachah of each generation following basic parameters is Halachah, regardless shape or form.
Did you vote Netanyahu or Gantz?
'Otzmah Yehudit and Yahadut HaTorah.
Did You watch the latest Caroline Glick interview in Hebrew?

My English is better than my Hebrew. That being said, that portion of Zionism that was furthered by the left as a method to control the country, is most certainly over.

What comes next will come and I watch. Christians trying to convert Jews, Jews now trying to convert who the hello knows. Arabs working with Shia against their own.

It's a strange new world for this old Jew when I ask a question and get a runaround.

Who do you support then? Netanyahu or Gantz?
 
Israel is recreated and strong.

Zionism was formed as a secular socialist community formed from a desire for a return to the homeland.

Zionism has accomplished it's course in the creation of Eretz and it wasn't the course that was entertained by Zionism and Russian/German socialists in the end result. Which is why Russia and China are anti-Israel. Israel was formed as a socialist communal state and both Russia and China stood for that alone.

imho

Zionism is long over and now simply used as a baiting strategy. We now live in an age of spiritual reconstruction while Herzl's Socialist 'Zionism' ended when Israel became a capitalist nation.

220 years to go so don't be so quick to think you or rabbi's have the 'answer'.

Herzl put forwards that we should convert to Christianity and end circumcision. He was an athiest and socialist. When he found that this 'educated proposal' was not even entertained for discussion by Jews, he changed his course. But his original course showed the socialist atheistic approach & intent that he entertained, which was, iow at that time?

To end Judaism.

We've seen this before. Still, I just watch and wait and pray that I will be alive to see the signs.

Binyamin Z. Herzl Ztz"l spoke his mind at different stages of his own identity crisis,
which was archetypal to large portion of the whole nation.

One has to remember that Mosheh Rabbenu A"H was an Egyptian prince,
when 'he went out and saw an Egyptian man beat up Dryfus'.
It is as it shall be.

The socialist and atheist intentions were and are clear and they were the creators of Israel's political structure.

Which creators, Rabbi Uziel Ztz"l or David ben-Gurion Ztz"l?

557203


Zionism is a political platform of rejuvenation of the nation,
representing various opposing views and revolutionary ideologies.

Socialism was just one of them, though one of main ideologies at the time,
it essentially ended in Israel 20 years into the declaration of independence.
And finally with the 'turnover', as Likud took the wheel from the left.

Aren't You limiting Zionism by conflating it with Socialism?

The people behind the scenes who voted to recognize. The partition plan created by Canadian socialist Lester B Pearson and others... to... work towards an end to Judaism and to further Zionism of their intent.


I know that you're a socialist. Atheism is that portion.

The twain will not meet imho.

Wait, what, I'm a socialist???
We're Jews, defying all categories - we're both capitalists and a socialist shteitel striving for a monarchy.

And again You seem to define a whole political/cultural movement by isolated aspects and ideologies,
instead of looking at the whole phenomena comprising a whole variety of opposing ideologies,
in this case specifically concentrating on a proposition coming from a 3rd party.

Zionism, beyond the basic premise, was never a set ideology, but an umbrella for all various ideologies to fulfill that basic premise. Capitalism and socialism are merely economic theories, as much as parliamentary democracy a political, Israeli society can move in and out of them or fuse them in a unique manner, it can switch to a parliamentary monarchy and all that still part of and integral development along the parameters of the basic premise.

Any organization that has to do with Jews living in and building the land of Israel,
fulfilling the commandments of the land - is Zionism, regardless of changing shape or form.
As much Halachah of each generation following basic parameters is Halachah, regardless shape or form.
Did you vote Netanyahu or Gantz?
'Otzmah Yehudit and Yahadut HaTorah.
Did You watch the latest Caroline Glick interview in Hebrew?

My English is better than my Hebrew. That being said, that portion of Zionism that was furthered by the left as a method to control the country, is most certainly over.

What comes next will come and I watch. Christians trying to convert Jews, Jews now trying to convert who the hello knows. Arabs working with Shia against their own.

It's a strange new world for this old Jew when I ask a question and get a runaround.

Who do you support then? Netanyahu or Gantz?

These are two Binyamins,
Kodesh HaKodasim is on the border of the tribal lots of Binyamin and Yehudah.
 
Just like a leftist response even though you say that you aren't.

/done
 
Just like a leftist response even though you say that you aren't.

/done
See me whatever You see, I'm but meumah,
but that is a curious reaction to the basic knowledge of the Temple.
 

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