Green Energy

[Chris]

Here's an article about the German houses with no furnace....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/27/world/europe/27house.html

 

[Meister]

I saw this great report on NBC Nightly News about this company that makes flexible solar roofing.

Their income doubled in the last year. Their name is United Solar Ovonic.

Here's a link to their website....

United Solar Ovonic

Chris I give up..again you wore me out. You ignored what I was saying..I'm not going to repeat it any longer. You want to put a solar panel on your roof, and make that your issue..go ahead. You don't get it, you won't get it. Just keep sticking your head in the sand...life will go on without you.

 

[driveby]

We have a wind corridor that runs from Texas to the Canadian border. We have a solar corridor in the American Southwest. Every new house in America should have fexible solar panels. We have the technology. It could be done very easily.

What if the $800 billion we wasted in Iraq had been spent on clean energy? We would be well on our way to American energy independence.

Wind farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the wind corridor must extend through Virginai Beach.

You don't seem to realize that to convert to these alternative forms, TRILLIONS are needed:
"If America wants a green energy economy, it is going to have to spend. And spend. And spend like never before. President Obama’s plan to designate $15 billion a year over 10 years will barely scratch the surface of what is needed. If America wants an energy revolution, taxpayers are going to have to pay and pay and pay, because trillions of dollars’ worth of energy infrastructure in America will need to be phased out and replaced. "

So let's get started.

They had a big project like that planned in the New England states, what happened to it ? .....

 

[Chris]

I think the wind corridor must extend through Virginai Beach.

You don't seem to realize that to convert to these alternative forms, TRILLIONS are needed:
"If America wants a green energy economy, it is going to have to spend. And spend. And spend like never before. President Obama’s plan to designate $15 billion a year over 10 years will barely scratch the surface of what is needed. If America wants an energy revolution, taxpayers are going to have to pay and pay and pay, because trillions of dollars’ worth of energy infrastructure in America will need to be phased out and replaced. "

So let's get started.

They had a big project like that planned in the New England states, what happened to it ? .....

That fat idiot Ted Kennedy opposed it.

 

[driveby]

So let's get started.

They had a big project like that planned in the New England states, what happened to it ? .....

That fat idiot Ted Kennedy opposed it.

It didn't get done because ONE guy opposed it ?

Isn't he a liberal lion and a champion of the democratic party ?

 

[Chris]

They had a big project like that planned in the New England states, what happened to it ? .....

That fat idiot Ted Kennedy opposed it.

It didn't get done because ONE guy opposed it ?

Isn't he a liberal lion and a champion of the democratic party ?

He's an idiot.

I always say if I lived in Mass., I'd be a Republican.

Va. Democrats are much better.

 

[PoliticalChic]

We have a wind corridor that runs from Texas to the Canadian border. We have a solar corridor in the American Southwest. Every new house in America should have fexible solar panels. We have the technology. It could be done very easily.

What if the $800 billion we wasted in Iraq had been spent on clean energy? We would be well on our way to American energy independence.

Wind farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think the wind corridor must extend through Virginai Beach.

You don't seem to realize that to convert to these alternative forms, TRILLIONS are needed:
"If America wants a green energy economy, it is going to have to spend. And spend. And spend like never before. President Obama’s plan to designate $15 billion a year over 10 years will barely scratch the surface of what is needed. If America wants an energy revolution, taxpayers are going to have to pay and pay and pay, because trillions of dollars’ worth of energy infrastructure in America will need to be phased out and replaced. "

So let's get started.

First, let's consider the Law of Unintended Consequences. What do you think every other country in the world would be doing while we wasted TRILLIONS on your green fantasy? Is there a GDP in your universe? Is thinking optional?

It's so easy to be a liberal.

 

[auditor0007]

And one source that many forget about:

Cars that run on Compressed Air.

I was one of those on television. The idea is just one of many that may show promise for the future.

 

[auditor0007]

The Danes already get 20% of their energy from wind power. The Israelis are building one solar power plant which will supply 5% of their energy needs. The Germans are building homes that are so well insulated that they don't require a furnace. It can be done. All that is requred is the political will. Are the Danes smarter than us?

Tree-hugger alert:

The nation that leads the world in wind-farm development is going cool on the environmentally friendly source of power.

Since the boom year of 2000, when as many as 748 turbines were erected, the number being built in Denmark has steadily fallen. So far this year, only six new wind turbines have been put up.

Wind Watch: Danes go cold on wind farms

I am a big supporter of altenative energy, but we're not going to go green overnight. In fact, much of the technology needed to go green is not there yet, so it's just not possible. The reason the Danes have stopped looking at wind power, for the time being, is that the energy it produces fluctuates too much.

We currently have no means by which to store electicity. Electricity must be provided as it is being used. On a hot summer day, when everyone is using their air conditioners, the usage can nearly double versus the night time. The grid can only put out so much electricity at a given time. On the flipside, the grid can only handle so much energy at any given time. Wind power is generated when the wind is blowing. The stronger it blows, the more energy that is produced. If all electricity was provided by wind power, there would be times when there wasn't nearly enough and others when so much was produced that it would blow the grid.

In time, as battery technology advances, that will all change. Homes, businesses, every building will be equipped with power storing batteries that can be accessed when output is below normal and charged when the output is above normal. Buildings will most likely be equipped with their own wind turbines (much smaller than the industrial types) and solar panels. The technology on solar panels continues to get better and will continue to do so.

Both wind and solar are our most likely future, but that future is 100 to 200 years away. We're not talking about just a new way of providing electricity. Every building will have to be changed to accept the way electricity is delivered and stored. This is not something that can happen in twenty years or even fifty.

In the meantime, if we want to become energy efficient, we will continue to look at new ways of providing that energy, and there will be new developments. But we will also continue to rely on good old oil, gas, and clean burning coal for a long time to come. Our immediate concern should be in developing the technology to extract oil from shale. Research is still in progress in the Green River Basin to do just that. We have an estimated 1.5 trillion barrels of extractable oil there, and 75% of the land is owned by the federal government. Our biggest concern is that the federal government doesn't just give this oil to the oil companies without fair compensation. The oil companies are the ones developing the technology, but we need to make sure they don't get a free handout to this oil. We should really consider that this oil, once the technology is developed, only be sold within the US, and not used for export.

There has been a great deal of discussion that the US could become the world's largest exporter of oil once the technology is developed to extract this oil. We need to keep that oil here for our own use. The longer we can be energy independent with our own fossil fuels, the more time we will have to develop the alternative sources of energy that will drive our long term future.

 

[auditor0007]

We have a wind corridor that runs from Texas to the Canadian border. We have a solar corridor in the American Southwest. Every new house in America should have fexible solar panels. We have the technology. It could be done very easily.

What if the $800 billion we wasted in Iraq had been spent on clean energy? We would be well on our way to American energy independence.

Wind farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chris, your left wing socialist nut buddies would have all your answers to getting off foriegn oil in the courts for years to come. You name it, their against it, and have highly paid lobbists to do their work. Also, you have your left wing socialist nut buddies that are judges to make sure it doesn't happen. Chris, and rockhead, you want liberalism to run America? Well here you are, welcome to the politics that you cherish.
What we do need to do is start opening up areas to drill for oil. We need to get rid of the regulations that say no more refineries. We have enough here to make ourselves energy independent. That and clean coal. One thing to remember, we're going to need oil for a very long, long time, Chris. That is a fact, but your ultra liberal buddies say no. These are the people you worship Chris. By the way Chris, remember the "what if?" It's kinda like "What if my Grandmother had balls." Get rid of "what if" Chris, that's juvenile.

Blah, blah, blah, liberal bad, let's drill, ect.....

What we need to do is provide tax advantages for green energy.

Green energy is made in America. Wind, solar, conservation, etc...are all American.

Chris, another problem with both wind and solar energy; if you produce large amounts of it in one part of the country, how do you move it to other parts of the country? The further you move electricity from it's place of origin, the more you lose. Eventually, you have nothing left. By the time electicity produced in Arizona gets to the midwest, there is nothing left. You have to use it where it is produced and if you overproduce, you have to store it, which we lack the technology to do at the moment. We're just not there yet to use wind and solar as the bulk of our energy needs. But, we will be one day.

 

[alan1]

There is always this,
Anything Into Oil | Alternative Energy | DISCOVER Magazine

But then, that isn't considered "green" by most liberals.
It's actually probably quite the conundrum for them, a method that deals with garbage, but since it produces evil petroleum they don't know which way to turn.

 

[hansom]

We've had the technology for more than 100 years. So why haven't we used it yet? It doesn't make sense. I STILL hear firsthand accounts of major corporations quashing research into these areas

 

[manu1959]

The Danes already get 20% of their energy from wind power. The Israelis are building one solar power plant which will supply 5% of their energy needs. The Germans are building homes that are so well insulated that they don't require a furnace. It can be done. All that is requred is the political will. Are the Danes smarter than us?

i have lived in danmark and seen the wind farms......you do know how big danmark is and how big their windfarm is.....

i tell you what obama could do....he could give every owner occupied homeowner 30k to put solar panels on their roof.....that would take all those homes off the grid saving tons of carbon based energy and create a bunch of jobs, saving the homeowners thousands etc.....

the down side is a bunch of carbon based companies would loose a bunch of money and lay off a bunch of people.....

bummer....

 

[Chris]

The Danes already get 20% of their energy from wind power. The Israelis are building one solar power plant which will supply 5% of their energy needs. The Germans are building homes that are so well insulated that they don't require a furnace. It can be done. All that is requred is the political will. Are the Danes smarter than us?

i have lived in danmark and seen the wind farms......you do know how big danmark is and how big their windframe is.....

i tell you what obama could do....he could give every owner occupied homeowner 30k to put solar panels on their roof.....that would take all those homes off the grid saving tons of carbon based energy and create a bunch of jobs, saving the homeowners thousands etc.....

the down side is a bunch of carbon based companies would loose a bunch of money and lay off a bunch of people.....

bummer....

Good one....

 

[hansom]

I read the car companies will be required to produce at least some percentage of their products to meet 0% emission standards, so expect to see green style energy vehicles within 2-3 years!

 

[krotchdog]

Renewable energy, wind power is not renewable and is one of the most polluting energies that exsist

Same goes for geothermal, even more polluting than wind.

Solar I have not researched much other than the amount of land needed does not exsist.

 

[Chris]

Renewable energy, wind power is not renewable and is one of the most polluting energies that exsist

Same goes for geothermal, even more polluting than wind.

Solar I have not researched much other than the amount of land needed does not exsist.

Nice bit of lying.

I feel bad for you.

 

[Seraega]

The Danes already get 20% of their energy from wind power. The Israelis are building one solar power plant which will supply 5% of their energy needs. The Germans are building homes that are so well insulated that they don't require a furnace. It can be done. All that is requred is the political will. Are the Danes smarter than us?

i have lived in danmark and seen the wind farms......you do know how big danmark is and how big their windfarm is.....

i tell you what obama could do....he could give every owner occupied homeowner 30k to put solar panels on their roof.....that would take all those homes off the grid saving tons of carbon based energy and create a bunch of jobs, saving the homeowners thousands etc.....

the down side is a bunch of carbon based companies would loose a bunch of money and lay off a bunch of people.....

bummer....

It wouldn't even cost $30k for the average home. As far as people losing their job because of new technology go read some Ayn Rand.... it's about the only good point she makes. You can't stand in the way of progress just because of potential job loss.

As far as renewable energy, it only makes sense. I've done the math myself, a roof top wind turbine installed will set me back about $12000. That cost is recovered in 4-5 years because I wont have an electric bill anymore. It's an investment. After the recovery time I'm ahead every month. Even as energy cost inflates in the future, I will be saving money.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Danes already get 20% of their energy from wind power. The Israelis are building one solar power plant which will supply 5% of their energy needs. The Germans are building homes that are so well insulated that they don't require a furnace. It can be done. All that is requred is the political will. Are the Danes smarter than us?

i have lived in danmark and seen the wind farms......you do know how big danmark is and how big their windfarm is.....

i tell you what obama could do....he could give every owner occupied homeowner 30k to put solar panels on their roof.....that would take all those homes off the grid saving tons of carbon based energy and create a bunch of jobs, saving the homeowners thousands etc.....

the down side is a bunch of carbon based companies would loose a bunch of money and lay off a bunch of people.....

bummer....

It wouldn't even cost $30k for the average home. As far as people losing their job because of new technology go read some Ayn Rand.... it's about the only good point she makes. You can't stand in the way of progress just because of potential job loss.

As far as renewable energy, it only makes sense. I've done the math myself, a roof top wind turbine installed will set me back about $12000. That cost is recovered in 4-5 years because I wont have an electric bill anymore. It's an investment. After the recovery time I'm ahead every month. Even as energy cost inflates in the future, I will be saving money.

So, your electric bill is about $3000/ year?

And what happens when that 90 mph wind rips the turbine and roof off the house?

And what is the lifetime of the turbine?

Get back to me after you try it.

 

[Seraega]

i have lived in danmark and seen the wind farms......you do know how big danmark is and how big their windfarm is.....

i tell you what obama could do....he could give every owner occupied homeowner 30k to put solar panels on their roof.....that would take all those homes off the grid saving tons of carbon based energy and create a bunch of jobs, saving the homeowners thousands etc.....

the down side is a bunch of carbon based companies would loose a bunch of money and lay off a bunch of people.....

bummer....

It wouldn't even cost $30k for the average home. As far as people losing their job because of new technology go read some Ayn Rand.... it's about the only good point she makes. You can't stand in the way of progress just because of potential job loss.

As far as renewable energy, it only makes sense. I've done the math myself, a roof top wind turbine installed will set me back about $12000. That cost is recovered in 4-5 years because I wont have an electric bill anymore. It's an investment. After the recovery time I'm ahead every month. Even as energy cost inflates in the future, I will be saving money.

So, your electric bill is about $3000/ year?

And what happens when that 90 mph wind rips the turbine and roof off the house?

And what is the lifetime of the turbine?

Get back to me after you try it.

Yea around that. I have a lot of extras that consume power like running a hot tub throughout the winter, and AC in the summer... The cost is part of what makes going off the grid a good option for my home, plus I live on a lake that gets a strong wind virtually every day of the year.

Turbines are equipped with a break for exactly the type of wind gusts you're referring too, it's no more vulnerable than a tree, or satellite dish, or flag pole... besides that the one cost to this "free" energy is additional home owners insurance. Adding a line to your policy for an extra $15-20k in coverage is only a couple bucks a month.

Turbines are designed to last 20-30 years. As with any other investment, you make your profit when you buy... which is why I'm spending considerable time learning and shopping around. I want this to be profitable for my family, and to be an asset should I ever want to sell the house.