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Um because a car that races at Le Mans would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars? That's stupid.
Wow, you really are stupid aren't you. What the fuck do you think the Tesla Roadster costs dipshit.
Wtf you're comparing Tesla and F1 cars to my Mom's Honda. Way to go smartass
Polchic, you sure are a dumbass and aren't afraid to show it. Sure electric cars aren't perfect these days, but the research... is going in the right direction. Sooner or later on this planet, we'll run out of fossil fuels and will need other ways to get around. Electric vehicles, possibly recharged by the sun in the future, are an excellent goal for ceasing to use oil. Sure, electricity is made with fossil fuels in a lot of places, but a lot of places have hydro-electricity already, and the prospect of refuelling your car with solar power is very cool.Fueling???
Recharging???
Here's some news:
1. An electric car requires an array of battery cells, almost 500 pounds worth. http://www.whitehouse.gov/files/documents/Battery-and-Electric-Vehicle-Report-FINAL.pdf
a. GMs EV1 NiMH (nickel metal hydride) weighed in at 1,150-1,400 pounds. Nickel Metal Hydride | GREENDUMP and Berezow, Op.Cit., p. 99.
b. The Chevy Volt has a lithium-ion battery that weights in at 435 pounds. GM press release: CHEVROLET VOLTS REVOLUTIONARY VOLTEC ELECTRIC DRIVE SYSTEM DELIVERS EFFICIENCY WITH PERFORMANCE
2. The batteries are expensive, listed at $3,000-$4,000. Prius hybrid owners have been quoted at $7,000 and up. Behind the Hidden Costs of Hybrids - HybridCars.com
a. It is unclear what replacement cost will be when labor is included.
3. Since the batterys ability to recharge declines with use, it must be replaced at about 100,000 miles. And the nickel metal hydride leaks energy- about 20 percent of capacity within the first 24 hours.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/Nickel_based_batteriesbnn
4. The batteries pose a dramatic detrimental effect on the environment due to polytetrafluoroethylene binder and nickel foam materials. Life cycle environmental assessme... preview & related info | Mendeley
5. Basically, electric vehicles are dragging a lot of extra weight made of toxic materials in order to use stored energy that combustion vehicles can simply generate on the go. Berezow, Op. Cit., p.66.
"And the EV's are not only here to stay, but they will give the homeowner the independence of fueling his own vehicle with solar."
Really?
How's yours workin' out?
What???
You didn't get one???
I get it...waitin' for the other simpletons to get 'em.....
Better not buy a used one: replacing those batteries is a bankruptcy waiting to happen.....
But...."the homeowner the independence of fueling his own vehicle with solar."
Sure.
PS do you think that maybe if you got laid properly that you wouldn't be so ornery all the time?
The dumbass is you moron. EV's have the same range now that they had 100 years ago. You call that progress?
Why call it humor....I was being helpful.Your failed attempt at humour didn't actually cover up the fact that you had no real response to what I said, is it because you know I'm right?
OK...listen, dunce....any reduction in the cost of solar is because of government subsidies.
1. The US Energy Information Administration estimates the subsidy cost of wind runs at $23.50 [dollars per actual megawatt-hour] and Natural gas and petroleum, 25 cents. Coal, 44 cents. Clean coal, refined to environmentalis standards, $29.81. Nickson, Eco-Fascists, p.123.
Mr. Obamas green jobs will have cost [by the end of 2011] the public purse more than $5 million each. Ibid.
Solar: solar burns through a bit more at $26.00 per
Natural gas and petroleum, 25 cents. Coal, 44 cents. Clean coal per
Ready for the pop quiz?
Which costs 104 times more....solar or Natural gas ?
Take your time....
"... the fact that you had no real response to what I said, is it because you know I'm right?"
Now do you see why I said you're the punchline of a joke??
With your skills, you could get a job as a seeing-eye person for a blind dog.
Was that better?
What costs more to run, a gas car or an electric car powered by the sun? And fyi, the oil and gas industry and the gas car industries get subsidies too, did ya know?
Question 2: What costs more to run: a house powered by solar power or a house powered by coal generated electricity? The coal industry gets subsidies too, did ya know?
Question 3: what's going to run out last, oil, gas, your fartgas or sunshine?
You have nothing. I own you.Why call it humor....I was being helpful.
OK...listen, dunce....any reduction in the cost of solar is because of government subsidies.
1. The US Energy Information Administration estimates the subsidy cost of wind runs at $23.50 [dollars per actual megawatt-hour] and Natural gas and petroleum, 25 cents. Coal, 44 cents. Clean coal, refined to environmentalis standards, $29.81. Nickson, Eco-Fascists, p.123.
Mr. Obamas green jobs will have cost [by the end of 2011] the public purse more than $5 million each. Ibid.
Solar: solar burns through a bit more at $26.00 per
Natural gas and petroleum, 25 cents. Coal, 44 cents. Clean coal per
Ready for the pop quiz?
Which costs 104 times more....solar or Natural gas ?
Take your time....
"... the fact that you had no real response to what I said, is it because you know I'm right?"
Now do you see why I said you're the punchline of a joke??
With your skills, you could get a job as a seeing-eye person for a blind dog.
Was that better?
What costs more to run, a gas car or an electric car powered by the sun? And fyi, the oil and gas industry and the gas car industries get subsidies too, did ya know?
Question 2: What costs more to run: a house powered by solar power or a house powered by coal generated electricity? The coal industry gets subsidies too, did ya know?
Question 3: what's going to run out last, oil, gas, your fartgas or sunshine?
Tell me....how does it feel to know that yogurt has more active culture than you do?
You have nothing. I own you.What costs more to run, a gas car or an electric car powered by the sun? And fyi, the oil and gas industry and the gas car industries get subsidies too, did ya know?
Question 2: What costs more to run: a house powered by solar power or a house powered by coal generated electricity? The coal industry gets subsidies too, did ya know?
Question 3: what's going to run out last, oil, gas, your fartgas or sunshine?
Tell me....how does it feel to know that yogurt has more active culture than you do?
Question: does it make your posts feel more important to you by adding so much empty space in your posts. Or does your brain just like empty spaces?
You have nothing. I own you.What costs more to run, a gas car or an electric car powered by the sun? And fyi, the oil and gas industry and the gas car industries get subsidies too, did ya know?
Question 2: What costs more to run: a house powered by solar power or a house powered by coal generated electricity? The coal industry gets subsidies too, did ya know?
Question 3: what's going to run out last, oil, gas, your fartgas or sunshine?
Tell me....how does it feel to know that yogurt has more active culture than you do?
Question: does it make your posts feel more important to you by adding so much empty space in your posts. Or does your brain just like empty spaces?
So what's with all the empty spaces?You have nothing. I own you.Tell me....how does it feel to know that yogurt has more active culture than you do?
Question: does it make your posts feel more important to you by adding so much empty space in your posts. Or does your brain just like empty spaces?
"You have nothing. I own you."
You wouldn't say that if you knew how to read.
At Portland State University, we have a parking area for EV's where they can recharge. Thus far I have seen a Tesla S, many Leafs, Smart Car EV, Ford Fusion EV, many Volts, an EV Scion, and a couple I didn't have time to look over to see who was the manufacturer.
I did take the time to look over the Tesla S. A fine looking town car. Not the kind of vehicle I need. Someone needs to make a four wheel drive with lots of ground clearance, and cargo room for my needs.
You have nothing. I own you.Tell me....how does it feel to know that yogurt has more active culture than you do?
Question: does it make your posts feel more important to you by adding so much empty space in your posts. Or does your brain just like empty spaces?
Ive seen people like you before but then I had to pay admission.
At Portland State University, we have a parking area for EV's where they can recharge. Thus far I have seen a Tesla S, many Leafs, Smart Car EV, Ford Fusion EV, many Volts, an EV Scion, and a couple I didn't have time to look over to see who was the manufacturer.
I did take the time to look over the Tesla S. A fine looking town car. Not the kind of vehicle I need. Someone needs to make a four wheel drive with lots of ground clearance, and cargo room for my needs.
First this question:
So who is paying for all that hydro to charge up these EV`s at Portland U?
For a 4 WD with cargo room and an engine to handle steep terrain you need a lot more than 40 horsepower and most of the cargo area would have to be used for the batteries if you live in an area where you need 4wd to get your daily supplies.
You`ve got to come to grips that an EV equivalent of a small Toyota with a 100 hp gas engine would use about as much electric power as 10 average houses...that takes a 100*745/220 = 338 amps @ 220 V.
Most houses have a 100 amp service and the average home runs at peak demand only about 1/3 rd of that.
So for each second the EV runs at or near maximum power, like going up a hill you suck back as much power as all the houses on a lane in a city block.
Imagine how many more power lines we would have to string if everybody would go EV.
There would not be much land left over for forests after all the windmills and the required power lines are installed to convert an entire country to "green energy"...and that does not even include all the hilltops that have to be denuded to make room for pump basins so that you got a power on demand power grid
And that`s called "green power"...what a joke...
In Germany it`s now the Green Party and Enviro Groups that are fighting what you are proposing:
http://www.bi-atdorf.de/?navi=340&sub=490
It`s an even bigger disaster and an Enviro-activist about face as was the case with corn-ethanol fuel
1. "Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. With sales for 2012 coming in at about 50,000, that million-car figure is a pipe dream.... it's truly green, right? Not really.
2. For proponents ... the main argument is that their electric cars...don't contribute to global warming. And, sure, electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly does—far more than most people realize.
3. A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost half the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity.
4. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds
5. While electric-car owners may cruise around feeling virtuous, they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide.
a. ...remember, the production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissions—the equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.
6. So unless the electric car is driven a lot, it will never get ahead environmentally. And that turns out to be a challenge. Consider the Nissan Leaf. It has only a 73-mile range per charge. Drivers attempting long road trips, as in one BBC test drive, have reported that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six miles per hour—a bit faster than your average jogger.
7. ... the batteries in electric cars fade with time, just as they do in a cellphone. Nissan estimates that after five years, the less effective batteries in a typical Leaf bring the range down to 55 miles.
8. ...the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles. Similarly, if the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driven—three ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.
9. The current best estimate of the global warming damage of an extra ton of carbon-dioxide is about $5. This means an optimistic assessment of the avoided carbon-dioxide associated with an electric car will allow the owner to spare the world about $44 in climate damage. On the European emissions market, credit for 8.7 tons of carbon-dioxide costs $48.
a. ...U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers like California-based Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors TSLA +1.90% . This is a very poor deal for taxpayers.
10. ....as a way to tackle global warming now it does virtually nothing."
Bjorn Lomborg: Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret - WSJ.com
"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P. T. Barnum...
The only way for our on-site 'environmentalists' to read this article is with Percocet in a Pez dispenser.
1. "Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. With sales for 2012 coming in at about 50,000, that million-car figure is a pipe dream.... it's truly green, right? Not really.
2. For proponents ... the main argument is that their electric cars...don't contribute to global warming. And, sure, electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly doesfar more than most people realize.
3. A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost half the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity.
4. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds
5. While electric-car owners may cruise around feeling virtuous, they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide.
a. ...remember, the production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissionsthe equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.
6. So unless the electric car is driven a lot, it will never get ahead environmentally. And that turns out to be a challenge. Consider the Nissan Leaf. It has only a 73-mile range per charge. Drivers attempting long road trips, as in one BBC test drive, have reported that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six miles per houra bit faster than your average jogger.
7. ... the batteries in electric cars fade with time, just as they do in a cellphone. Nissan estimates that after five years, the less effective batteries in a typical Leaf bring the range down to 55 miles.
8. ...the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles. Similarly, if the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driventhree ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.
9. The current best estimate of the global warming damage of an extra ton of carbon-dioxide is about $5. This means an optimistic assessment of the avoided carbon-dioxide associated with an electric car will allow the owner to spare the world about $44 in climate damage. On the European emissions market, credit for 8.7 tons of carbon-dioxide costs $48.
a. ...U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers like California-based Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors TSLA +1.90% . This is a very poor deal for taxpayers.
10. ....as a way to tackle global warming now it does virtually nothing."
Bjorn Lomborg: Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret - WSJ.com
"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P. T. Barnum...
The only way for our on-site 'environmentalists' to read this article is with Percocet in a Pez dispenser.
Appeals to Authority, again? You are a one trick pony. If you ever had written a term paper in a university and used a single source to over a conclusing opinion you would have been presented with a large red F
1. "Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. With sales for 2012 coming in at about 50,000, that million-car figure is a pipe dream.... it's truly green, right? Not really.
2. For proponents ... the main argument is that their electric cars...don't contribute to global warming. And, sure, electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly doesfar more than most people realize.
3. A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost half the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity.
4. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds
5. While electric-car owners may cruise around feeling virtuous, they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide.
a. ...remember, the production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissionsthe equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.
6. So unless the electric car is driven a lot, it will never get ahead environmentally. And that turns out to be a challenge. Consider the Nissan Leaf. It has only a 73-mile range per charge. Drivers attempting long road trips, as in one BBC test drive, have reported that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six miles per houra bit faster than your average jogger.
7. ... the batteries in electric cars fade with time, just as they do in a cellphone. Nissan estimates that after five years, the less effective batteries in a typical Leaf bring the range down to 55 miles.
8. ...the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles. Similarly, if the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driventhree ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.
9. The current best estimate of the global warming damage of an extra ton of carbon-dioxide is about $5. This means an optimistic assessment of the avoided carbon-dioxide associated with an electric car will allow the owner to spare the world about $44 in climate damage. On the European emissions market, credit for 8.7 tons of carbon-dioxide costs $48.
a. ...U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers like California-based Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors TSLA +1.90% . This is a very poor deal for taxpayers.
10. ....as a way to tackle global warming now it does virtually nothing."
Bjorn Lomborg: Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret - WSJ.com
"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P. T. Barnum...
The only way for our on-site 'environmentalists' to read this article is with Percocet in a Pez dispenser.
Appeals to Authority, again? You are a one trick pony. If you ever had written a term paper in a university and used a single source to over a concluding opinion you would have been presented with a large red F and laughed off as a dilettante
1. "Electric cars are promoted as the chic harbinger of an environmentally benign future. Ads assure us of "zero emissions," and President Obama has promised a million on the road by 2015. With sales for 2012 coming in at about 50,000, that million-car figure is a pipe dream.... it's truly green, right? Not really.
2. For proponents ... the main argument is that their electric cars...don't contribute to global warming. And, sure, electric cars don't emit carbon-dioxide on the road. But the energy used for their manufacture and continual battery charges certainly doesfar more than most people realize.
3. A 2012 comprehensive life-cycle analysis in Journal of Industrial Ecology shows that almost half the lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions from an electric car come from the energy used to produce the car, especially the battery. The mining of lithium, for instance, is a less than green activity.
4. By contrast, the manufacture of a gas-powered car accounts for 17% of its lifetime carbon-dioxide emissions. When an electric car rolls off the production line, it has already been responsible for 30,000 pounds of carbon-dioxide emission. The amount for making a conventional car: 14,000 pounds
5. While electric-car owners may cruise around feeling virtuous, they still recharge using electricity overwhelmingly produced with fossil fuels. Thus, the life-cycle analysis shows that for every mile driven, the average electric car indirectly emits about six ounces of carbon-dioxide.
a. ...remember, the production of the electric car has already resulted in sizeable emissionsthe equivalent of 80,000 miles of travel in the vehicle.
6. So unless the electric car is driven a lot, it will never get ahead environmentally. And that turns out to be a challenge. Consider the Nissan Leaf. It has only a 73-mile range per charge. Drivers attempting long road trips, as in one BBC test drive, have reported that recharging takes so long that the average speed is close to six miles per houra bit faster than your average jogger.
7. ... the batteries in electric cars fade with time, just as they do in a cellphone. Nissan estimates that after five years, the less effective batteries in a typical Leaf bring the range down to 55 miles.
8. ...the huge initial emissions from its manufacture means the car will actually have put more carbon-dioxide in the atmosphere than a similar-size gasoline-powered car driven the same number of miles. Similarly, if the energy used to recharge the electric car comes mostly from coal-fired power plants, it will be responsible for the emission of almost 15 ounces of carbon-dioxide for every one of the 50,000 miles it is driventhree ounces more than a similar gas-powered car.
9. The current best estimate of the global warming damage of an extra ton of carbon-dioxide is about $5. This means an optimistic assessment of the avoided carbon-dioxide associated with an electric car will allow the owner to spare the world about $44 in climate damage. On the European emissions market, credit for 8.7 tons of carbon-dioxide costs $48.
a. ...U.S. federal government essentially subsidizes electric-car buyers with up to $7,500. In addition, more than $5.5 billion in federal grants and loans go directly to battery and electric-car manufacturers like California-based Fisker Automotive and Tesla Motors TSLA +1.90% . This is a very poor deal for taxpayers.
10. ....as a way to tackle global warming now it does virtually nothing."
Bjorn Lomborg: Green Cars Have a Dirty Little Secret - WSJ.com
"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P. T. Barnum...
The only way for our on-site 'environmentalists' to read this article is with Percocet in a Pez dispenser.
Appeals to Authority, again? You are a one trick pony. If you ever had written a term paper in a university and used a single source to over a conclusing opinion you would have been presented with a large red F
You know that I hold your view is high esteem....
...I'm so crushed I may have to go right to my room and lie down.
You, my friend, are exactly what one should expect when the school system simply pats Johnny on the head and mutters 'great job,' no matter how inane the comment.
We produce little Wry Catcher's who never learned to respect their betters.
Appeals to Authority, again? You are a one trick pony. If you ever had written a term paper in a university and used a single source to over a conclusing opinion you would have been presented with a large red F
You know that I hold your view is high esteem....
...I'm so crushed I may have to go right to my room and lie down.
You, my friend, are exactly what one should expect when the school system simply pats Johnny on the head and mutters 'great job,' no matter how inane the comment.
We produce little Wry Catcher's who never learned to respect their betters.
"respect their betters"? Time to rule out 301.81, i.e. "those who have a lifelong pattern of grandiosity - in behavior and fantasy - and thirst for admiration....".
Appeals to Authority, again? You are a one trick pony. If you ever had written a term paper in a university and used a single source to over a conclusing opinion you would have been presented with a large red F
You know that I hold your view is high esteem....
...I'm so crushed I may have to go right to my room and lie down.
You, my friend, are exactly what one should expect when the school system simply pats Johnny on the head and mutters 'great job,' no matter how inane the comment.
We produce little Wry Catcher's who never learned to respect their betters.
"respect their betters"? Time to rule out 301.81, i.e. "those who have a lifelong pattern of grandiosity - in behavior and fantasy - and thirst for admiration....".
You know that I hold your view is high esteem....
...I'm so crushed I may have to go right to my room and lie down.
You, my friend, are exactly what one should expect when the school system simply pats Johnny on the head and mutters 'great job,' no matter how inane the comment.
We produce little Wry Catcher's who never learned to respect their betters.
"respect their betters"? Time to rule out 301.81, i.e. "those who have a lifelong pattern of grandiosity - in behavior and fantasy - and thirst for admiration....".
Now I know what kind of term papers you are writing.
You are way out of your depth discussing electric cars or anything else that is in the realm of real science.
"respect their betters"? Time to rule out 301.81, i.e. "those who have a lifelong pattern of grandiosity - in behavior and fantasy - and thirst for admiration....".
Now I know what kind of term papers you are writing.
You are way out of your depth discussing electric cars or anything else that is in the realm of real science.
I'm sorry your reading comprehension is so poor. Nowhere did I mention anything related to the discussion on electric cars, I simply pointed out the error of irrelevance in PC's OP. In fact you know nothing of the papers I wrote at the University or anything about me beyond my aversion to political hacks and self righteous bigots.
