ajwps
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Originally posted by walwor
I apologize if I have been unclear. I am not saying that someone else is speaking in Luke 19 verse 14. Jesus is speaking the entire time, from verse 12 through 27, and all of those verses are the text of the parable. In verse 14, Jesus says of the nobleman that he was hated by his citizens, who say "We will not have this man to reign over us." He gives the minas to his servants, and the ones who have profited, he rewards. The one who hoarded the mina, he takes even that one mina away. In verse 24, he says to take the one mina from that servant and give it to the one who has 10. Verse 25- But they said to him, "Master, he has ten minas." Verse 26- the nobleman replies that to everyone who has will be given, and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. Verse 27- the nobleman still talking: "But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me." Those enemies were referred to in verse 14. In verse 28, Jesus is no longer speaking, it says "When He had said this, He went on ahead, going up to Jerusalem."
I am not discussing the meaning of the parable here, we must first clarify who is speaking and what is being spoken of. Your reading of this as Jesus saying to His disciples, "Bring here those enemies of mine and slay them" is not correct. I don't mind debating this with you, and I know you don't believe in Jesus and I'm not trying to trick you into admitting you do or something like that, but we have to at least agree on the text. It is up to you to continue the debate, and I won't force you to or start a flame war with you, but the debate needs to be in good faith, and you need to see the proper context of this verse that you are using to criticize Jesus. If you can criticize Jesus legitimately, then do so, but don't twist a verse in order to do so, that would not please G-d as you see Him or as I see Him.
Walwor you still do not seem to be making any sense out of this Luke chapter.
1) You say that Jesus himself is speaking from Luke 19:12 -27.
You quote in this Jesus parable the following:
"Verse 25- But they said to him, "Master, he has ten minas." Verse 26- the nobleman replies that to everyone who has will be given, and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away."
Is Jesus talking in verses 25 and 26 that you say Jesus was speaking all the way through these verses by Jesus himself?
2. You then say that in verse 27, still Jesus speaking but you now find the nobleman speaking where you said Jesus was speaking all the way through verse 27.
"Verse 27- the nobleman still talking: "But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me." Those enemies were referred to in verse 14.
Did the nobelman want to rule over his enemies while ordering their execution?
Did Jesus speak, as you said all the way through verse 27 but quoting the nobleman?
Who were the enemies of the nobleman that made him so mad that he wanted them slain before him?
I am used to many who pull verses and words totally out of context. This still appears to be a rather contorted version of the actual words written in clear English.