Discussion in 'Energy' started by Chris, Nov 7, 2008.
This guy has it figured out...
Pickens: Greener U.S. would boost security, economy - CNN.com
And it would boost T Bones stock in wind tech.
And what is wrong with that. The best of capitalism is doing well while doing good.
Converting trucks and public transportation to natural gas, which we have a huge supply of.... should be the first step.
Then go with Obama's plan to develop alternative energy including wind, solar, conservation, and fuel efficient cars in America.
Nicely put, Rocks!
I wonder who will be the recipient of all the R&D money for alternative energy ?
I don't care if this man makes a trillion dollars... if he creates 10 1/2 million jobs in 10 years, that would be incredible. Big, gigantic windmills that generate clean electricity and create 10 1/2 million jobs. Pickens for energy secretary.
Jobs won't be created. there will just be a movement of jobs from one sector to another.
There is no need to totally revamp our cars and trucks to run on NG either. A simple switch to diesel engines that run on straight vegetable oil or bio diesel will be a quicker and less costly strategy. Use NG to heat homes. we already have 90+% efficient NG furnaces. Use NG as a "bridge" to geothermal home heating and cooling.
Besides the range of an NG car is about half that of a gasoline car and less than half of a diesel.
NG cars are not emissions free and NG is still a nonrenewable source of energy. Why spend all that money on another energy supply that is destined to run out and get more expensive just like oil?
Sources of vegetable oil are truly renewable and diesels running on Straight vegetable oil produce zero greenhouse gas emissions.
Why go for all the expense of new infrastructure and new factories when we can use the technology and infrastructure we have now and get the same results with a few upgrades that can be implemented much faster and less expensively?
Quite on the contrary, jobs will be created. We have 10 million unemployed at the moment. Creating jobs in alternative energies opens up many new jobs. For every primary job, there are service jobs created that support the primary job.
While I very much like the idea of bio-diesel, untill we get an efficient process using algea, or other single celled creatures, to manufacture it, we cannot supply our fleet in that manner. That being said, plug in electric hybrids, could easily reduce the amount of liquid fuel needed for transportation to half or less of the current use.
Frieghtliner is already working on a diesel hybrid for trucks that will reduce their fuel consumption by over 25%. And here is another fellow that is doing some amazing work with diesel engines;Motorhead Messiah - Fuel Efficient Cars - Biodiesel - Hybrids | Fast Company
Every new green job and green industry support job replaces a fossil fuel job and the fossil fuel support jobs.
I'm not saying green is bad but be realistic. And I believe you're right. A biofuel/ electric car is probably the best alternative. But doesn't it make sense to use bio diesel as a "bridge" since it is part of the solution rather than building a new, expensive but temporary NG fuel infrastructure as a bridge that will then be obsolete because NG is just as nonrenewable as oil?
We already pay farmers to grow crops and NOT sell them. We can easily have them ramp up production of oil producing crops. Algae is a good avenue and it won't take too long to get there. But you know that the best plan will be to produce oil from crop and algae sources. there is also some promise in turning animal by products from the meat industry into fuel. We need a multi-pronged approach not a single source.
But why waste all kinds of money to revamp infrastructure when the most logical path would be to use alternative fuels that can be delivered through our existing system? Hell even if we got down to 75% bio diesel and 25% petrol we would be exponentially better off, especially if we got home heating off fossil fuels altogether by requiring geothermal heat pumps in all new construction and upgrading the existing homes. Passive solar building designs, super insulated concrete building techniques, solar hot water are all necessary upgrades.
We have to attack from all fronts.
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