What happens when a leftist is President...

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    On drilling, the federal Bureau of Land Management is opening about 360,000 acres of public land in Utah to oil and gas drilling. Bush administration officials argue that the drilling will not harm sensitive areas; environmentalists oppose it.

    "They want to have oil and gas drilling in some of the most sensitive, fragile lands in Utah," Podesta said. "I think that's a mistake."

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    Wonder what happened to the bipartisian deal reached in Congress?
     
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    Pre-election snowjob. We're going to leave 85% of our natural resources in the ground while the people of the US pay the price.

    But it's okay to blight the land with windmills because those don't affect anything even though they take up the same space individually, and collectively require a LOT more space. But for some reason, the endangered, 3-eyes, yellowtail horned bumblebee can fly around windmills but not oil pumps.

    The usual double standard bullshit. Suck it up and march on.
     
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    The benefit of wind power is that it does not create CO2 pollution, Gunny.

    Stop playing the nitwit, okay?
     
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    And the detriment is that it is not viable in the amounts we need... while it should be added more to the grid, we should also embrace all we can do in drilling, nuke, and other alternatives to become more independent
     
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    Perhaps YOU should practice what you preach? When the benefit is outweighed by the drawbacks, then it is not a viable solution.

    The whole argument is based on people reacting to buzzwords. The left and the media has trained its sheeple to react negatively to anythign fossil fuel and positively to anything else.

    How about ethanol? That creates MORE pollution than fossil fuels but because it's not a fossil fuel it's okay.

    What's the major argument in Alaska? Displacing a moose because has to walk 5 ft in either direction around an oil derrick? But because it's not a fossil fuel, we can erect thousands of windmills across the Southwest doing who know what damage to THOSE ecosystems. But to some Yankee, who cares? That's just shitting in MY yard, not yours.

    Gulf Coast? Some fish would have to swim around platform legs? Oh, the people that live on shore don't want to look at the rigs.

    No matter how you slice it, until we have a viable alternate energy source, we need fossil fuels. Period. Ignoring that or pretending we're somehow going to get compeletely off of them is ridiculous.

    Every alternative source you can name requires petroleum-based products for the machinery to function.

    So when you go to calling people nitwits, look at your own hand first. You're holding a pair of deuces and trying to bluff your way through.
     
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    It also will not power cars.
     
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    Why can’t we leave this one up to the people of Utah? They would be the ones closest to the positive and negative impacts of opening that BLM land to drilling. When they go through this process do they lease or sell the land to oil companies? If it’s a lease I would think it would be a great revenue raiser for the feds and for the state of Utah.
     
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    I find it so strange that some people seem to equating opposition to all alternative power, save nuclear, to be a conservative cause. We have more than adaquete power in the form of geothermal, solar, and wind. There is no need to burn coal or natural gas. We have already built successful electric cars, and a plug in diesel hybrid is well within the present technology. What is lacking is leadership and will.
     
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    Because the disputed land is on federal property. The land doesn't belong to the state of Utah, its pretty simple really.
     
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    Alternatives should dominate energy policy, but until it is cost effective to do away with gasoline powered cars we should be using as much of our natural resources as possible.
     
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