Govt Subsidies of Religion

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    When people talk about corporate welfare, what they really mean is that the government is giving these entities so many tax perks it amounts to free money (unless we are talking about agribusiness and the military industrial complex). So, we as a country have an inate understanding that government subsidizes certain industries or behaviours through the tax code.

    People get to deduct contributions to churches. Churches pay no tax, and clergy recieve massive tax perks. This is an indirect way for government to establish religion in this country.

    Imagine for a second how successful many churches would be if they actually had to pay tax, or had to audit their books. I don't think anyone would argue that churches would suffer from refusing a religous contribution deduction, let alone the freebies given to clergy and churches.

    If an entity cannot continue without a given government policy, it seems to reason that the government policy is enabling its existence. Isn't this the entire thing the establishment clause was designed to prevent?
     
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    I think you have it backwards. We are the ones enabling government.
     
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    Religion enables the government? That seems a little far fetched unless you are living in Iran.
     
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    At the moment, I'm living in a bottle of Jim Beam.

    You reference much more than religion here.

    The government doesn't "give tax perks". Under certain circumstances, it just takes less of what isn't theirs in the first place.

    And exactly why do you mention agriculture?

    Finally, I think it was more an instance of Religion establishing government rather than the other way around. In the early days anyway.
     
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    1 hour and 15 minutes.
     
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    What part of "Congress shall make no law" is difficult to understand?
     
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    I mention agriculture because it is the single biggest welfare program in this country. Having grown up on a farm, in a farming community, I was and continue to be appualled at how the government pays farmers to do nothing. the vast majority of americans are completely ingnorant of this.

    And to say congress doesn't give tax perks, you are making a distinction without a difference. The fact of the matter is that government policy enables religions to prosper.
     
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    Not sure where you are going with this? Congress makes lots of laws which help religion at the expense of the fisk. This seems unconstitutional to me.
     
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    They aren't really paid to do nothing. They are paid not to grow and use domestic production to suppress the price of imports. Any liberal who believes in global redistribution of wealth should understand that.
     
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    I'm impwessed. never thought I'd hear those words from an actual farmer. :thup:
     

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