Rozman
Gold Member
I think it's an excellent starting point....A good way to warm up for the Entree.It's the appetizer portion of the meal I hope.Get back to me when we get serious about putting a stop to this runaway Democrat gone amok spending.
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I didn't forget. There was a lot of stuff going on, to much to mention, but I could bring up a lot of stuff that you didn't mention and claim you forgot. So lets not be that lame.
I am not, was not and will not be for corporate welfare. I was one of many that said to let them suffer and either die off or self fix.
Can your son work? if so, he can work his way through college.
Can you care for your mother? If so. Why do you demand money from me and my children to help you not have to do so?
well, then maybe we can agree that corporations should pay their fair share like we do.
my son is 13. no. he can't work. I'm talking about his public education. also, college now does not cost what it did when i went to college. and i didn't work my way THROUGH college. I worked summers while I went to college. I had student loans which I paid back at a reasonable rate of interest within x number of years after I graduated because I was able to earn enough to live on while I paid that reasonable amount. That circumstance no longer exists.
I figure my son is entitled to the same opportunities that I had. But his college will cost $150,000, mine didn't. The state university I went to now requires something like a 96 average (and heaven knows what SAT grades) because more and more students are competing for the reasonably priced places rather than mortgage their lives on a private school.
I don't demand that you pay for my son's college. I ask that my son have the same opportunities that I had and that the radical right is destroying.
oh.. and i agree with you re legalizing drugs. they should also legalize (and tax) prostitution.
My wife is going back to college and it will cost us $15k for a year. If you have to pony up 150k, you might want to think of going elsewhere.
No one is saying your son can't go. We are saying we shouldn't pay for him to go. If that means community college, then so be it. Supply and demand rules the day, once again. If colleges no longer get mass funding from grants and loans, they will lose studints b/c they can't afford to go [for what ever reason], therefore the college will be forced to lower it's cost.
Legalize prostitution?
So what you are saying is; You wanna tax that ass!
The Democrats are the 'Party of No' at this point. They haven't been helpful at all. At least the Republicans are trying to fix things. I'm willing to give them credit for this. So WTG Republicans.
Try and pass it in this democracy.
see what happens
It will pass the House but the sissy dims in the Senate won't have the stones to put it up for a vote.
The dems want to destroy America by killing it with debt.
Why do you support destroying America?
perhaps if you stopped calling people who disagree with you "dims", you might be able to have a discussion on the issues.
the question could be asked, "why do you want to turn this country into a banana republic"?
Try and pass it in this democracy.
see what happens
It will pass the House but the sissy dims in the Senate won't have the stones to put it up for a vote.
The dems want to destroy America by killing it with debt.
Why do you support destroying America?
perhaps if you stopped calling people who disagree with you "dims", you might be able to have a discussion on the issues.
the question could be asked, "why do you want to turn this country into a banana republic"?
well, then maybe we can agree that corporations should pay their fair share like we do.
my son is 13. no. he can't work. I'm talking about his public education. also, college now does not cost what it did when i went to college. and i didn't work my way THROUGH college. I worked summers while I went to college. I had student loans which I paid back at a reasonable rate of interest within x number of years after I graduated because I was able to earn enough to live on while I paid that reasonable amount. That circumstance no longer exists.
I figure my son is entitled to the same opportunities that I had. But his college will cost $150,000, mine didn't. The state university I went to now requires something like a 96 average (and heaven knows what SAT grades) because more and more students are competing for the reasonably priced places rather than mortgage their lives on a private school.
I don't demand that you pay for my son's college. I ask that my son have the same opportunities that I had and that the radical right is destroying.
oh.. and i agree with you re legalizing drugs. they should also legalize (and tax) prostitution.
My wife is going back to college and it will cost us $15k for a year. If you have to pony up 150k, you might want to think of going elsewhere.
No one is saying your son can't go. We are saying we shouldn't pay for him to go. If that means community college, then so be it. Supply and demand rules the day, once again. If colleges no longer get mass funding from grants and loans, they will lose studints b/c they can't afford to go [for what ever reason], therefore the college will be forced to lower it's cost.
Legalize prostitution?
So what you are saying is; You wanna tax that ass!
where is she going to college? if its a community college, that's not acceptable. also, i'll figure she isn't going to be living at the school... i would assume he will be.
no, my son shouldn't go to community college. his mother went to law school because of opportunities available to her. Those opportunities are not charity. I didn't get a single thing that was free. And I certainly won't accept that my son should aspire to less than I did so some CEO's earnings can go up 27% a year while the average worker makes an additional 2% a year. if there were a real true inability for him to have the opportunities that were available to me, then i would understand. but there isn't. and, frankly, the redistribution of wealth to the top 1% by use of tax policy is STILL redistribution of wealth. The middle class doesn't exist without government intervention and the song of woe by the "i hate government" types isn't compelling to me.
You can choose to live that way. I don't.
Now THAT is a budget plan.
Republicans will present this week a 2012 budget proposal that would cut more than $4 trillion from federal spending projected over the next decade and transform the Medicare health program for the elderly, a move that will dramatically reshape the budget debate in Washington. ...
The plan would essentially end Medicare, which now pays most of the health-care bills for 48 million elderly and disabled Americans, as a program that directly pays those bills. Mr. Ryan and other conservatives say this is necessary because of the program's soaring costs. Medicare cost $396.5 billion in 2010 and is projected to rise to $502.8 billion in 2016. At that pace, spending on the program would have doubled between 2002 and 2016.
Mr. Ryan's proposal would apply to those currently under the age of 55, and, for those Americans would convert Medicare into a "premium support" system. Participants from that group would choose from an array of private insurance plans when they reach 65 and become eligible, and the government would pay about the first $15,000 in premiums. Those who are poorer or less healthy would receive bigger payments than others. ...
The proposal would also convert Medicaid, the health program for the poor, into a series of block grants to give states more flexibility. And it is expected to suggest significant cuts in Social Security, while proposing fewer details on how to achieve them. ...
Conservative activists who are familiar with the Ryan plan said they expect it to call for a fundamental overhaul of the tax system, with a 25% top rate for both individuals and corporations, compared to the current 35% top rate. It is expected to raise about the same amount of money as the current system, however. Lawmakers already are considering ways to accomplish that by reducing or eliminating some deductions and other tax breaks.
Some conservatives also expected the budget plan to tout a temporary tax change that would let U.S. multinationals bring home as much as $1 trillion in profits at a greatly reduced tax rate. That money currently is parked overseas, beyond the reach of U.S. corporate taxation.
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GOP Budget Aim: Cut $4 Trillion From Spending - WSJ.com
The Republicans have been acting like pussies for some time, saying they want to cut the deficit but not cut anything that actually matters. This actually matters. Good for them for having some cahones and laying things on the line. This is a conversation America has to have.
My wife is going back to college and it will cost us $15k for a year. If you have to pony up 150k, you might want to think of going elsewhere.
No one is saying your son can't go. We are saying we shouldn't pay for him to go. If that means community college, then so be it. Supply and demand rules the day, once again. If colleges no longer get mass funding from grants and loans, they will lose studints b/c they can't afford to go [for what ever reason], therefore the college will be forced to lower it's cost.
Legalize prostitution?
So what you are saying is; You wanna tax that ass!
where is she going to college? if its a community college, that's not acceptable. also, i'll figure she isn't going to be living at the school... i would assume he will be.
no, my son shouldn't go to community college. his mother went to law school because of opportunities available to her. Those opportunities are not charity. I didn't get a single thing that was free. And I certainly won't accept that my son should aspire to less than I did so some CEO's earnings can go up 27% a year while the average worker makes an additional 2% a year. if there were a real true inability for him to have the opportunities that were available to me, then i would understand. but there isn't. and, frankly, the redistribution of wealth to the top 1% by use of tax policy is STILL redistribution of wealth. The middle class doesn't exist without government intervention and the song of woe by the "i hate government" types isn't compelling to me.
You can choose to live that way. I don't.
So, you advocate for the government to "set the payscales"? Is this correct?
where is she going to college? if its a community college, that's not acceptable. also, i'll figure she isn't going to be living at the school... i would assume he will be.
no, my son shouldn't go to community college. his mother went to law school because of opportunities available to her. Those opportunities are not charity. I didn't get a single thing that was free. And I certainly won't accept that my son should aspire to less than I did so some CEO's earnings can go up 27% a year while the average worker makes an additional 2% a year. if there were a real true inability for him to have the opportunities that were available to me, then i would understand. but there isn't. and, frankly, the redistribution of wealth to the top 1% by use of tax policy is STILL redistribution of wealth. The middle class doesn't exist without government intervention and the song of woe by the "i hate government" types isn't compelling to me.
You can choose to live that way. I don't.
So, you advocate for the government to "set the payscales"? Is this correct?
sorry willow, i'm not going to bother with troll questions.
let grown ups talk. mmmmkay?
what i will suggest is that you re-read and tell me where i said that.
comprehension is your friend. try it.
So, you advocate for the government to "set the payscales"? Is this correct?
sorry willow, i'm not going to bother with troll questions.
let grown ups talk. mmmmkay?
what i will suggest is that you re-read and tell me where i said that.
comprehension is your friend. try it.
It wasn't a troll question. It was an honest question. The left wing complains constantly about the gap in CEO vs the workers pay scales. Do you or do you not advocate for "government setting the payscales."?
i have no problem with those that buy the corporation's products, be the ones who help pay the cor[poration's taxes....
it would be unfair for those of us who do NOT buy the corporation's products, have to pay for their share of taxes Willow.
I see your wisdom there Care 4 nuttin.. You'd buy GE light bulbs cause Immelt is obie wan's buddy and GE pays Zero taxes.. got it.
i have no problem with those that buy the corporation's products, be the ones who help pay the cor[poration's taxes....
it would be unfair for those of us who do NOT buy the corporation's products, have to pay for their share of taxes Willow.
I see your wisdom there Care 4 nuttin.. You'd buy GE light bulbs cause Immelt is obie wan's buddy and GE pays Zero taxes.. got it.
incoherent gibberish to me.....
I have NEVER supported companies making billions upon billions in profits, while taking my taxes in a credit.
but I did answer your original question and you come back with WHAT? nothing but nonsense willow....I guess that's just your thing....
i have no problem with those that buy the corporation's products, be the ones who help pay the cor[poration's taxes....
it would be unfair for those of us who do NOT buy the corporation's products, have to pay for their share of taxes Willow
Who disagrees with the idea that if corporations are taxed those taxes are passed on to the consumer? Anybody?
Who disagrees with the idea that if corporations are taxed those taxes are passed on to the consumer? Anybody?
me...it's a nice story but considering the "free market" once they raise their prices way over what people will pay, they will go out of business.
Try and pass it in this democracy.
see what happens
So, you advocate for the government to "set the payscales"? Is this correct?
sorry willow, i'm not going to bother with troll questions.
let grown ups talk. mmmmkay?
what i will suggest is that you re-read and tell me where i said that.
comprehension is your friend. try it.
It wasn't a troll question. It was an honest question. The left wing complains constantly about the gap in CEO vs the workers pay scales. Do you or do you not advocate for "government setting the payscales."?
Once again this is a Democracy and a republic is a type of democracy.
Its the definition of the words.
How do you think the American people would vote on ending medicare?
Keep medicare or save the country from crushing debt.
gee, that's a tuffy.
Besides the fact that 70% of the nation do not want Medicare to go away and just disagree on how its run kind of kills the choice.
again doing away of Medicare will not solve our debt problem.
You audit medicare, You audit all government programs. You close loops holes in the tax system, You tax corporations. If they dont like it they can leave, but bottom line is where ever they run to those things will eventually change as well.
Seems these corporations are willing to bend over for the likes of China. (john deere) But not the USA? that reeks of anti patriotism if i ever saw it. I'd point that out and see how they like it.
You slash the military and bring people home from bases.
but of course these things will never happen. Everyone at the top is circling jerking each other in order to gain more power, while we here at the bottom squabble over gays and abortion,retards from Alaska, and Birth certificates.
Who disagrees with the idea that if corporations are taxed those taxes are passed on to the consumer? Anybody?
me...it's a nice story but considering the "free market" once they raise their prices way over what people will pay, they will go out of business.
Right, you mean like when oil prices go up the price of gasoline doesn't?