Good Teachers....Bad Teachers

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    Sure there are good teachers...bet each of us can name three who changed our lives.

    "Value-added teacher evaluation" can help identify the good ones.

    From an interesting essay in the City Journal:

    1. Value-added teacher evaluation—a method that estimates the contribution teachers make to student’s test-score gains—is a concept whose time has most definitely come. Californians are entitled to know precisely who is and isn’t delivering the goods for their children.

    2. The Los Angeles Times last month published a much-anticipated follow-up to its path-breaking 2010 investigation, which ranked 6,000 third-, fourth-, and fifth-grade teachers based on their students’ progress on standardized tests year after year. The updated rankings include data for more than 11,500 teachers. Using the California Public Records Act, Times reporters Jason Felch, Jason Song, and Doug Smith obtained student math and language arts scores for the Los Angeles Unified School District from 2003 through 2009.

    3. The newspaper commissioned Richard Budden, a senior economist and education researcher with the Santa Monica–based RAND Corporation, to analyze the data. Using the value-added technique, he converted the scores into percentile ratings, and then divided them into five equal categories from “least effective” to “most effective

    4. The Times stories have exposed that what currently passes for teacher evaluation in California is useless. Currently, a principal or other administrator may visit a class several times (usually with a warning given long in advance), stay a few minutes, scribble down some notes, and leave….Thanks to this ineffective process, more than 99 percent of all teachers receive satisfactory ratings, and after just two years in the classroom achieve tenure—essentially a job for life.

    5. Undaunted by the union’s bullying, the Times spent the next nine months showing the benefits of value-added teacher evaluations. The paper reported: “Highly effective teachers routinely propel students from below grade level to advanced in a single year. There is a substantial gap at year’s end between students whose teachers were in the top 10 percent in effectiveness and the bottom 10 percent. The fortunate students ranked 17 percentile points higher in English and 25 points higher in math.”

    6. Studies have shown that two consecutive years with a bad teacher can leave students so far behind that they will never catch up.

    7. Hoover Institution senior fellow and economist Eric Hanushek claims that while value-added analysis isn’t perfect, it’s “the best tool we have available to zero in on the impact of the individual teacher on student achievement gains.

    8. Teachers’ unions dislike all forms of substantive teacher evaluation, viewing any kind of official differentiation among teachers as encouraging competition, which sows envy and thus undermines solidarity. Truth is, of course, objective evaluations show that some teachers really are more effective than others.Grading the Teachers by Larry Sand - City Journal


    Let's not throw the baby out with the bad teachers....
     
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    The nice thing about good books is that they are independent of the teachers.

    The Tyranny of Words by Stuart Chase
    Books: Semantics - TIME

    That is from 1938 but I only found out about it last year. But he talks about Alfred Korzybski who I read decades ago. But Korzybski is really hard to understand.

    But now computers can get us stuff for free.

    Eight Keys to Eden by Mark Irvin Clifton - Free eBook

    even though some people want to make us pay.

    Fictionwise eBooks: Eight Keys to Eden by Mark Clifton

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    When I was in school, the good teachers always seemed to be pleased with my intelligence. The bad teachers were always the ones who were critical of the teachers that thought I was smart.
     
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    Good teachers taught math or science and concentrated on the subject not on convincing you that you could not learn the subject without them.

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    Our country is in an education crisis, the administrators are paid huge fixed salaries and are not delivering. They don't want fair evaluations because it will show just how bad things are. We rank very near the bottom of the list in Texas and we have been throwing money at it for years. Teachers today can't teach because they have become day care providers for parents who can not or will not do anything to education their own children. It is far easier to blame someone else.
     
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    City Journal is full of simplistic nonsense and this is just another example. Two years will leave students behind forever? Where did this conclusion come from? A genuine study? No, of course not, it came from the imagination of someone too lazy to figure out what was really going on in our schools and in our culture. What about a lifetime of TV watching? That should destroy anyone forever. Or lousy, lazy parents? Or lousy, lazy self? How about the inner city schools that are falling down, and full of juvenile delinquents with little parental support? Anyone with half a brain would know two years hardly make up a lifetime, nor does school fill enough of that time to have such impact. You wanna know why some students do poorly? They just don't live in zip codes in which income is in the top brackets. If you doubt that check it out sometime and throw City Journal in the trash where it belongs.
     
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    Oooooo.....

    This is bad news....

    I post about a statistical method for identifying poor teachers...and you go berserk.
    What are you so sensitive about?

    Hmmmmm....
     
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    Teachers don't need to teach you how to read and write or to do basic math and by all means, don't worry about teaching history as it really happened. What they are required to do though is to teach you that condoms are available in the nurses office, you don't need to have your parent's permission to get an abortion and the only real political solution to today's problems come from only the liberal politicians. They are also determined to inform your kid about how nice is it that there are queers in the world.
     
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    Hey, Doggie...are you suggesting that education isn't what it once was???

    It's no longer the attempt to instill middle class values and erudition??

    Why...I never!


    Hey, wanna feel worse, this from one of Winchester's books, check out what the English folk of the time were like:

    On Wednesday, June 6, 1928 the Oxford English Dictionary was completed. In "The Meaning of Everything," Simon Winchester discusses the English of the time as follows:

    “The English establishment of the day might be rightly derided at this remove as having been class-ridden and imperialist, bombastic and blimpish, racist and insouciant- but it was marked undeniably also by a sweeping erudition and confidence, and it was peopled by men and women who felt they were able to know all, to understand much, and in consequence to radiate the wisdom of deep learning


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    When I was in high school, there was a dress code. No facial hair, no jeans or tennis shoes, shirts had to have a collar and everybody had to have a proper haircut. You were not allowed to participate in any sports if you had a grade average of less than a C in any class. Teachers (males) all wore at the least a tie and most wore a suit, and all of the female teachers wore some sort of dress or a skirt, etc. No jogging suits, jeans, etc. Today, there is no dress code, in our local area schools you can be failing two classes and still be active in sports, it's ok to have a cell phone, drink pop and chew gum in class. The education we got back then was far superior to what the kids are getting now. You be the judge. My opinion is that our schools, teachers, and just about every element of eduction is broken - badly. It's going to be the cause of our demise.
     
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