God is a Monstrous, Evil, Bloodthirsty Tyrant

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    I mean the God of traditional Christian theology, of course. Consider:

    1) He made human beings fallible, then expected them to be perfect.

    2) Because they sought the knowledge of good and evil -- that is, tried to develop a conscience -- he condemned not only those who did this, but all of their descendants, to be tortured forever and ever.

    3) For thousands of years, everyone (with perhaps a very few exceptions -- theory isn't clear on this) were sentenced to be tortured forever and ever, since he had designed everyone to be perfect but judged them according to an unachievable standard.

    4) After thousands of years and millions of victims, who were screaming endlessly under horrible tortures, doubtless to his pleasure and satisfaction, he sent his son to assume human form and be tortured to death. Apparently, although we're not told why, this was sufficient to appease the divine blood-lust.

    5) Meanwhile, all those millions of victims continued to scream endlessly under horrible torture.

    6) Although Jesus' being whipped with cords studded with sharp metal so that his flesh was ripped apart and then nailed to a piece of wood to die slowly over several hours supposedly appeased the divine sadism, most people continued to be condemned to scream forever under horrible tortures, as the only ones who could take advantage of Jesus' being abused in this way were those who believed in this story (which was offered without evidence) and submitted to the authority of the Church. (Although there is some dispute about that last minor point.)

    This, we are told, is the creator of the universe, perfectly good, perfectly wise, and all-powerful. We are asked to believe that the sublime all-in-all is worse by far than any mere human despot, who must be content with torturing people for only finite amounts of time.

    In fairness, it's not unlikely that someone like Torquemada or Hitler would have had people screaming endlessly under horrible tortures, too, were that humanly possible. So perhaps God is not actually morally worse than the worst examples of human depravity, but merely endowed with power that gives his depravity more dreadful consequences.

    Be that as it may, it is reasonable to question whether this conception of God makes any sense -- and by that I mean, on this occasion, not logical or scientific sense, but moral sense.

    Whenever I hear the statement, "For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son," and I remember the divine blood-lust and cruelty and smarmy pretense that is supposed to accompany this "gift," I want to puke.
     
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    When you start off with a fallacy, everything that follows may be safely discarded.

    God doesn't expect us to be perfect. He expects us to try to be better people.
     
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    Dragon--

    You may be looking for God in all the wrong places.

    Come and check out the Testimony in Song thread here in the Religion forum.

    It's got something for everyone.

    sky
     
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    Then shut up and puke already. You are so full of it you defecate out your mouth constantly.
     
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    And...there is only one way to verify anything in the bible...by reading more of the bible. The Jews wrote it and they don't even believe the new testament. Only a small group of close family and friends ever made mention of Jesus and virgin birth, savior of mankind, holy ghost, walking on water, healing leprosy by touching, raising from the dead, crucifiction, resurrection etc.

    Moses was named the author of five books of the old testament and they are written in third person. One has to wonder who that mystery writer was who stood there by the burning bush and watched and heard god and Moses discussing things like the ten commandements.
     
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    That would make sense, Dave, but it's not what Christian theology tells us. The standard is set so that no one can meet it, "for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God." But Christians get a pass from that scream-forever-in-torture business because of the sacrifice of Jesus.

    The question before any reasonable person, though, is why God would condemn anyone to scream forever in horrible torture, a punishment far out of proportion to any possible human crime. (About the only crime it would be proportional to is sentencing someone else to scream forever in horrible torture, which logically implies that it is God who should himself be sentenced to Hell.)

    How can anyone support a God so morally abominable?
     
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    God is a construct of man.

    Its a construct that is about to outlive its nessesity.

    It will fizzle and die out like all myths whos purpose is outlived.

    It will continue for some time to come yet.

    Trying to force people OUT of the need for its comfort prematurely is not going to work.
     
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    religion does alot of people alot of good.

    It doesnt make it true.
     
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    I was going to reply to each lie you posted, but there were so many and you're lack of any knowledge...

    well, you may want to read some parts of the bible some time, so you don't sound like a complete tool.
     
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    why waste time with a book so full of myths when there are so many facts in this world to absorb?
     

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