Go On Record Here About The Mandate

[g5000]

Is forcing someone to buy health insurance okay or not?

 

[WillowTree]

the precedent has been set, now do a mandate that will do us some good.

 

[blackhawk]

I thought it was a tax not a mandate.

 

[Missourian]

There is no mandate...only a tax.

No different than giving a tax break for buying solar panels or a hybrid.

 

[WillowTree]

I thought it was a tax not a mandate.

well, you could say it's a mandated TAX. couldn't you?

 

[Liability]

I thought it was a tax not a mandate.

No. It's a mandate that comes with a penalty that isn't a penalty. The penalty is a tax. But not a tax for all purposes. Just the ones the CJ likes.

And his fabulous judicial analysis is completely supported by every drop of invisible ink in the Penumbra Clause.

 

[blackhawk]

I thought it was a tax not a mandate.

well, you could say it's a mandated TAX. couldn't you?

That's the best description of it I have heard so far.

 

[g5000]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

 

[Liability]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

According to the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States and four liberal Associate Justices, the answer is now "yes."

According to any honest interpretation of the Constitution and the words of the ObamaCare Act, of course the answer is "no."

The former, sadly, for now, prevails.

 

[g5000]

And it would be most helpful if someone would reiterate they argument about why it is okay that a state makes you buy auto insurance but why it is not okay to be forced to buy health insurance.

What I have always heard as a retort to the auto insurance argument is that you have a choice of whether or not to own a car, whereas you don't have a choice to buy health insurance with a mandate. That it is about personal freedom to choose.

Is this correct?

 

[Liability]

And it would be most helpful if someone would reiterate they argument about why it is okay that a state makes you buy auto insurance but why it is not okay to be forced to buy health insurance.

What I have always heard as a retort to the auto insurance argument is that you have a choice of whether or not to own a car, whereas you don't have a choice to buy health insurance with a mandate. That it is about personal freedom to choose.

Is this correct?

Not exactly.

The States regulate drivers' licenses and the ownership/registration of vehicles. Driving is a privilege, not a "right."

As a CONDITION imposed on the granted privilege, the STATE is authorized to require drivers to have insurance.

To complete the analogy, honestly, for the ObamaCare mandated health care insurance, one would HAVE to claim that living is a privilege, not a right.

Can we ring that up as a "no sale?"

 

[WillowTree]

And it would be most helpful if someone would reiterate they argument about why it is okay that a state makes you buy auto insurance but why it is not okay to be forced to buy health insurance.

What I have always heard as a retort to the auto insurance argument is that you have a choice of whether or not to own a car, whereas you don't have a choice to buy health insurance with a mandate. That it is about personal freedom to choose.

Is this correct?

Well, today you are not forced to by a car. don't count on that tomorrow.

 

[g5000]

And it would be most helpful if someone would reiterate they argument about why it is okay that a state makes you buy auto insurance but why it is not okay to be forced to buy health insurance.

What I have always heard as a retort to the auto insurance argument is that you have a choice of whether or not to own a car, whereas you don't have a choice to buy health insurance with a mandate. That it is about personal freedom to choose.

Is this correct?

Not exactly.

The States regulate drivers' licenses and the ownership/registration of vehicles. Driving is a privilege, not a "right."

As a CONDITION imposed on the granted privilege, the STATE is authorized to require drivers to have insurance.

To complete the analogy, honestly, for the ObamaCare mandated health care insurance, one would HAVE to claim that living is a privilege, not a right.

Can we ring that up as a "no sale?"

So forcing someone to buy health insurance is a violation of their individual rights, yes?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No one is ‘forced’ to buy health insurance, the tax is not punitive and is no more or less appropriate than any other taxing provision.

For republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and the rest of the president’s enemies on the right, however, relating the facts of the issue is pointless, as they’ll blindly adhere to their partisan lies and contrivances, willfully ignorant of the truth.

 

[Liability]

And it would be most helpful if someone would reiterate they argument about why it is okay that a state makes you buy auto insurance but why it is not okay to be forced to buy health insurance.

What I have always heard as a retort to the auto insurance argument is that you have a choice of whether or not to own a car, whereas you don't have a choice to buy health insurance with a mandate. That it is about personal freedom to choose.

Is this correct?

Not exactly.

The States regulate drivers' licenses and the ownership/registration of vehicles. Driving is a privilege, not a "right."

As a CONDITION imposed on the granted privilege, the STATE is authorized to require drivers to have insurance.

To complete the analogy, honestly, for the ObamaCare mandated health care insurance, one would HAVE to claim that living is a privilege, not a right.

Can we ring that up as a "no sale?"

So forcing someone to buy health insurance is a violation of their individual rights, yes?

Yes.

With FEW exceptions, forcing people to DO almost anything is a violation of individual rights.

There ARE exceptions, I readily admit.

But the exceptions are found in the enumerated powers. They are not found in the Commerce Clause, the Necessary and Proper Clause, nor in any prefatory language of the Constitution, nor in the taxing authority provisions of the Constitution, nor are they found in some "Penumbras."

 

[alan1]

And it would be most helpful if someone would reiterate they argument about why it is okay that a state makes you buy auto insurance but why it is not okay to be forced to buy health insurance.

What I have always heard as a retort to the auto insurance argument is that you have a choice of whether or not to own a car, whereas you don't have a choice to buy health insurance with a mandate. That it is about personal freedom to choose.

Is this correct?

Well, today you are not forced to by a car. don't count on that tomorrow.

Today I can walk into the grocery store and not be taxed if I decide to not by apples.
Tomorrow, who knows?
After all, you can now be taxed for not doing something.
Tomorrow, I may be taxed for not buying apples.

 

[Liability]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No one is ‘forced’ to buy health insurance, the tax is not punitive and is no more or less appropriate than any other taxing provision.

For republicans, conservatives, libertarians, and the rest of the president’s enemies on the right, however, relating the facts of the issue is pointless, as they’ll blindly adhere to their partisan lies and contrivances, willfully ignorant of the truth.

Adam_Clayton_Powell just lied. He flatly lied. Congress even called it a PENALTY. A penalty, dimwit, IS punitive.

 

[JohnA]

And it would be most helpful if someone would reiterate they argument about why it is okay that a state makes you buy auto insurance but why it is not okay to be forced to buy health insurance.

What I have always heard as a retort to the auto insurance argument is that you have a choice of whether or not to own a car, whereas you don't have a choice to buy health insurance with a mandate. That it is about personal freedom to choose.

Is this correct?

Well, today you are not forced to by a car. don't count on that tomorrow.

yes the first step on the downward spire to complete socialism, where you are told what you can buy ,from whom ,when to buy, and what you must pay for it .. the end of our FREEDOM
support Ron Paul before its to late

 

[Missourian]

Is it okay to force someone to buy health insurance against their will and tax them if they don't?

No.

 

[Plasmaball]

I was against the mandate in Massachusetts and I am against it now.