Give 'em Hell in a Hurry, Harry!

[docmauser1]

No room in the Middle East for the Jews, Israel is a tiny island, Arabs all around, after the fall of the Ottoman empire the world literally gave states to Arab tribes, Arab families, states or nations that never existed. Not enough though, everything must be Arab.

Thats a ridiculous statement, its the kind of statement only Israel supporters could get away with.

Or a quwaiti sheikh, who's state (the first british protectorate in the Gulf) had been created out of the thin air in 1961. Or the saud and the wahhabi gangster tribes, which got (courtesy the brutish-british) the oil, and the uncomfortable hashemite kicked out, but awarded with Jordan (by Chirchill in 1922) in the end, after all. Any more muslarab nation-building? Oh, the Phillystain.

 

[georgephillip]

You are pathetic there, the Soviets changed policy (Stalin recognized Israel) after Israel started supporting the western powers, they then started a massive anti-semetic hate campaign (built upon the articles of zion conspiracy), much like yours and called Israel a quote "terrorist state", much like you...I wonder.

Soviet Union and the Arab?Israeli conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Soviet Union voted in favor of the 1947 UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181) which paved the way for the creation of the State of Israel.

"Within 11 minutes of Israel's declaration of independence, it was recognized by the United States. The Soviet Union followed soon after, along with most of the other Western powers.[99]

"The Soviet Union and the other communist states of Eastern Europe (with the exception of Romania) cut diplomatic ties with Israel during the Six-Day War.

"Relations were restored in 1991 after the collapse of the Soviet Union, despite the fact that hostile Arab countries such as Syria also maintain close ties with Russia. Russia is known to supply Syria with weapons."

Foreign relations of Israel - Wiki

If your definition of "terrorist" follows a current US Army manual's version as "the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious or ideological in nature (and) this is done through intimidation, coercion or instilling fear", Israel's occupation of Area C and Gaza, not to mention the US's occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, seem identical to the actions of "terrorist states."

Or maybe it's only "terror" when "they" do it?

International Terrorism:

Rewriting the definition so Hamas are okay, 'freedom fighters', and a 'humanitarian aid organization' like I didn't see that coming.

Do you have the capacity to distinguish between the concepts of literal and propagandistic?

"There are two ways to approach the study of terrorism. One may adopt a literal approach, taking the topic seriously, or a propagandistic approach, construing the concept of terrorism as a weapon to be exploited in the service of some system of power.

"In each case it is clear how to proceed.

"Pursuing the literal approach, we begin by determining what constitutes terrorism.

"We then seek instances of the phenomenon -- concentrating on the major examples, if we are serious -- and try to determine causes and remedies.

"The propagandistic approach dictates a different course.

"We begin with the thesis that terrorism is the responsibility of some officially designated enemy.

"We then designate terrorist acts as 'terrorist' just in the cases where they can be attributed (whether plausibly or not) to the required source; otherwise they are to be ignored, suppressed, or termed 'retaliation' or 'self-defence.'

"It comes as no surprise that the propagandistic approach is adopted by governments generally, and by their instruments in totalitarian states.

"More interesting is the fact that the same is largely true of the media and scholarship in the Western industrial democracies, as has been documented in extensive detail.1

"'We must recognize,' Michael Stohl observes, 'that by convention -- and it must be emphasized only by convention -- great power use and the threat of the use of force is normally described as coercive diplomacy and not as a form of terrorism,' though it commonly involves 'the threat and often the use of violence for what would be described as terroristic purposes were it not great powers who were pursuing the very same tactic.'2

"Only one qualification must be added: the term 'great powers' must be restricted to favored states; in the Western conventions under discussion (in 1991), the Soviet Union is granted no such rhetorical license, and indeed can be charged and convicted on the flimsiest of evidence.

International Terrorism

 

[mdn2000]

"If it was not for oil we would warn the Arabs that the murder stops"????

How many innocent human beings has the US military murdered since 1945?
How many Koreans, Cambodians, Laotians, Vietnamese?
How many more civilians have our proxies killed in Central and South America?
Most importantly...who gets rich from the killing?

Hint: It's not Chomsky

Chomsky gets rich from the killing, you think he is giving his book and speech money to charity, talk about being naive.

 

[mdn2000]

No room in the Middle East for the Jews, Israel is a tiny island, Arabs all around, after the fall of the Ottoman empire the world literally gave states to Arab tribes, Arab families, states or nations that never existed. Not enough though, everything must be Arab.

Thats a ridiculous statement, its the kind of statement only Israel supporters could get away with.

Jews lived in the ME prior to 1948. The 'world' didnt give anything to the Arabs, those people already lived there. All the imperialists did was to draw a few lines on a map, something they probably had no business doing anyway.

What is ridiculous is your comment on mine, at least define why its ridiculous, you got george to thank you so your in good company.

The world did give everything to the Arabs, you cannot be suggesting the Arabs rose against the Turks and defeated the Ottoman empire, are you?

The Jews did live in the ME, correct, so I am right, whats your point.

The people of the world are free enough to make maps, you have no idea of the middle east, seriously, zero.

Further every single Arab empire sought and asked for western or Russian help.

 

[georgephillip]

"If it was not for oil we would warn the Arabs that the murder stops"????

How many innocent human beings has the US military murdered since 1945?
How many Koreans, Cambodians, Laotians, Vietnamese?
How many more civilians have our proxies killed in Central and South America?
Most importantly...who gets rich from the killing?

Hint: It's not Chomsky

Chomsky gets rich from the killing, you think he is giving his book and speech money to charity, talk about being naive.

How rich is Chomsky?

How does his net worth compare to Dick Cheney or Bill Clinton?

The $millions Chomsky's earned from writing and speaking in opposition to war pale beside what he could have earned on Wall Street promoting war.

Chomsky's completely clueless about why anyone should profit from war.

Maybe you know?

 

[hipeter924]

Noam Chomsky, Closet Capitalist ( 2)

Print This ShareThis By Peter Schweizer
Hoover Digest
Tuesday, Jun 3, 2008

"I'm kind of a parasite. I mean, I'm living off the activism of others. I'm happy to do it."

- Noam Chomsky​

Chomsky talks an anti-capitalist game, but what does he practice? Market economics at their most profitable.

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One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky's work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the "massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich" and criticized the concentration of wealth in "trusts" by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with "complicated devices for ensuring that the poor-like 80 percent of the population-pay off the rich."
But trusts can't be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston's venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in "income-tax planning," set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.



Noam Chomsky, Closet Capitalist | Critical Analysis |Axisoflogic.com

 

[mdn2000]

"If it was not for oil we would warn the Arabs that the murder stops"????

How many innocent human beings has the US military murdered since 1945?
How many Koreans, Cambodians, Laotians, Vietnamese?
How many more civilians have our proxies killed in Central and South America?
Most importantly...who gets rich from the killing?

Hint: It's not Chomsky

Chomsky gets rich from the killing, you think he is giving his book and speech money to charity, talk about being naive.

How rich is Chomsky?

How does his net worth compare to Dick Cheney or Bill Clinton?

The $millions Chomsky's earned from writing and speaking in opposition to war pale beside what he could have earned on Wall Street promoting war.

Chomsky's completely clueless about why anyone should profit from war.

Maybe you know?

Thats your argument, that is your debate, you whiny little snot nosed wimp, that is the best you got without a link to Chomsky, is Chomsky's ideas so empty of fact, thats it.

 

[mdn2000]

Noam Chomsky, Closet Capitalist ( 2)

Print This ShareThis By Peter Schweizer
Hoover Digest
Tuesday, Jun 3, 2008

"I'm kind of a parasite. I mean, I'm living off the activism of others. I'm happy to do it."

- Noam Chomsky​

Chomsky talks an anti-capitalist game, but what does he practice? Market economics at their most profitable.

body { font: 12px verdana,arial,sans-serif; }body { font: 12px verdana,arial,sans-serif; }body { font: 12px verdana,arial,sans-serif; }

One of the most persistent themes in Noam Chomsky's work has been class warfare. He has frequently lashed out against the "massive use of tax havens to shift the burden to the general population and away from the rich" and criticized the concentration of wealth in "trusts" by the wealthiest 1 percent. The American tax code is rigged with "complicated devices for ensuring that the poor-like 80 percent of the population-pay off the rich."
But trusts can't be all bad. After all, Chomsky, with a net worth north of $2,000,000, decided to create one for himself. A few years back he went to Boston's venerable white-shoe law firm, Palmer and Dodge, and, with the help of a tax attorney specializing in "income-tax planning," set up an irrevocable trust to protect his assets from Uncle Sam. He named his tax attorney (every socialist radical needs one!) and a daughter as trustees. To the Diane Chomsky Irrevocable Trust (named for another daughter) he has assigned the copyright of several of his books, including multiple international editions.



Noam Chomsky, Closet Capitalist | Critical Analysis |Axisoflogic.com

Your wrong, this is five years old! He is worth over 15 million dollars today.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are pathetic there, the Soviets changed policy (Stalin recognized Israel) after Israel started supporting the western powers, they then started a massive anti-semetic hate campaign (built upon the articles of zion conspiracy), much like yours and called Israel a quote "terrorist state", much like you...I wonder.

Soviet Union and the Arab?Israeli conflict - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The Soviet Union voted in favor of the 1947 UN Partition Plan (Resolution 181) which paved the way for the creation of the State of Israel.

"Within 11 minutes of Israel's declaration of independence, it was recognized by the United States. The Soviet Union followed soon after, along with most of the other Western powers.[99]

"The Soviet Union and the other communist states of Eastern Europe (with the exception of Romania) cut diplomatic ties with Israel during the Six-Day War.

"Relations were restored in 1991 after the collapse of the Soviet Union, despite the fact that hostile Arab countries such as Syria also maintain close ties with Russia. Russia is known to supply Syria with weapons."

Foreign relations of Israel - Wiki

If your definition of "terrorist" follows a current US Army manual's version as "the calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious or ideological in nature (and) this is done through intimidation, coercion or instilling fear", Israel's occupation of Area C and Gaza, not to mention the US's occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, seem identical to the actions of "terrorist states."

Or maybe it's only "terror" when "they" do it?

International Terrorism:

Rewriting the definition so Hamas are okay, 'freedom fighters', and a 'humanitarian aid organization' like I didn't see that coming.

Hamas only attacks people who occupy Palestine. That terrorist label is merely propaganda.

 

[docmauser1]

Hamas only attacks people who occupy Palestine.

That is why they should be attacking themselves.

That terrorist label is merely propaganda.

Of course, they are terrorists.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas only attacks people who occupy Palestine.

That is why they should be attacking themselves.

That terrorist label is merely propaganda.

Of course, they are terrorists.

The whole war on terror farce is merely political theatre.

Hamas fights against occupation period. This does not fit the international terrorist model.

 

[mdn2000]

Hamas only attacks people who occupy Palestine.

That is why they should be attacking themselves.

That terrorist label is merely propaganda.

Of course, they are terrorists.

The whole war on terror farce is merely political theatre.

Hamas fights against occupation period. This does not fit the international terrorist model.

Hamas fights for Hamas, not the people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is why they should be attacking themselves.Of course, they are terrorists.

The whole war on terror farce is merely political theatre.

Hamas fights against occupation period. This does not fit the international terrorist model.

Hamas fights for Hamas, not the people.

How so?

 

[docmauser1]

Hamas only attacks people who occupy Palestine.

That is why they should be attacking themselves.

That terrorist label is merely propaganda.

Of course, they are terrorists.

The whole war on terror farce is merely political theatre.

If so, then those marching-jumping hamas-hezbollah assholes are doing a great promotional job.

Hamas fights against occupation period.

Of course, it's them and their occupation, after all.

This does not fit the international terrorist model.

Of course, it fits.

 

[P F Tinmore]

That is why they should be attacking themselves.Of course, they are terrorists.

The whole war on terror farce is merely political theatre.

If so, then those marching-jumping hamas-hezbollah assholes are doing a great promotional job.

Hamas fights against occupation period.

Of course, it's them and their occupation, after all.

This does not fit the international terrorist model.

Of course, it fits.

Read up on international terrorism then tell me where Hamas fits.

 

[mdn2000]

The whole war on terror farce is merely political theatre.

Hamas fights against occupation period. This does not fit the international terrorist model.

Hamas fights for Hamas, not the people.

How so?

With pounds of high explosives duct tapped around the belly of a teenager.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas fights for Hamas, not the people.

How so?

With pounds of high explosives duct tapped around the belly of a teenager.

They don't do that anymore, but anyway, how is that for Hamas and not the people?

 

[mdn2000]

How so?

With pounds of high explosives duct tapped around the belly of a teenager.

They don't do that anymore, but anyway, how is that for Hamas and not the people?

The Palestinians are the victims of Hamas. The people had it pretty good before the PLO, not great but with time things get better, so Hamas or the PLO or whoever is the murderer in charge will make life great for the people they use.

Hamas, freeing the people from the terror they created.

 

[P F Tinmore]

With pounds of high explosives duct tapped around the belly of a teenager.

They don't do that anymore, but anyway, how is that for Hamas and not the people?

The Palestinians are the victims of Hamas. The people had it pretty good before the PLO, not great but with time things get better, so Hamas or the PLO or whoever is the murderer in charge will make life great for the people they use.

Hamas, freeing the people from the terror they created.

The PLO is an unelected group of different Palestinian factions that does not include Hamas.

I don't know what you mean by freeing people from the terror they created.

 

[mdn2000]

They don't do that anymore, but anyway, how is that for Hamas and not the people?

The Palestinians are the victims of Hamas. The people had it pretty good before the PLO, not great but with time things get better, so Hamas or the PLO or whoever is the murderer in charge will make life great for the people they use.

Hamas, freeing the people from the terror they created.

The PLO is an unelected group of different Palestinian factions that does not include Hamas.

I don't know what you mean by freeing people from the terror they created.

So they have an election, that is forced on them, the choice is "Death" or "Diet Death", which do you vote for.

You should count yourself lucky you do not know the terror.