Oddball
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Again, point being?
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It seems to me that the person the original article discussed didn't belong to a "working" family. He seemed content on "not working" and taking what he felt he was "entitled" to.
You can lump me with the Republicans to your heart's desire. It's YOUR attitude that is driving Independents away from the Democratic party. Your "If you're not in lockstep with us, you are in lockstep with THEM" mantra will cost you this election season, and depending on whom the Republicans can come up with, likely the White House in two years. My fear is that because of your idiocy, someone like Palin or Gingrich WILL get elected. That's what happens when you try so hard to alienate everyone that doesn't idealize what you idealize. The Republicans have done it for years, and now the Democrats are the same way. Your attempts at trying to make me out to be a villain because I don't pity the most worthless scum in America won't work. I still think your ideals are fucked.
The most worthless scum in America??? Sorry, but that would be YOU. You fucking slime ball right wingers NEVER include a single penny of human capital in any of your solutions. For your solutions to work, human beings need to just evaporate...
It is what the Nazi's did...
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Your ideal society coddles the weak and the pitiful, and gives them free rides on the backs of entrepreneurs and hard-working Americas. It is set to fail in the long run. The day has come when the system is paying out more than it is taking in. It's all going to collapse in your face, and I'll cry tears of laughter for those that weren't ready for it. I, again, have no pity for stupid people.
What happened is a generation of "greed". Or as I like to say, "Republican values".
In the 50's and 60's, when CEOs were making 30 times the average salary, they stayed with a company 30 years and "grew" that company. They poured money back into their "workers" because those workers would buy "stuff". We had a healthy capitalistic society.
Then came today's CEOs. They moved jobs to China for those low wages. They bumped up their own pay from 30 times as much to 3 hundred to 4 hundred times as much.
They only stay with a company a few years for a quick kill.
Only they fucked up. People here can't afford to buy even "cheap" goods.
And look at what is going on in China. They just had a major strike at an Apple/Hewlett Packard electronics plant where the 300,000 person plant had to "double" the salaries to 273 dollars A MONTH. Now those companies are seeing a 36% DECLINE in profits.
Republicans will say, "Oh those GREEDY Chinese. Doubling their salary to 273 dollars a month. What will they want next? Weekends? Vacation pay? Health Care?" Republicans will say, "Fucking Chinese, worse than those lazy unemployed whose jobs we moved overseas".
What happened is a generation of "greed". Or as I like to say, "Republican values".
In the 50's and 60's, when CEOs were making 30 times the average salary, they stayed with a company 30 years and "grew" that company. They poured money back into their "workers" because those workers would buy "stuff". We had a healthy capitalistic society.
Then came today's CEOs. They moved jobs to China for those low wages. They bumped up their own pay from 30 times as much to 3 hundred to 4 hundred times as much.
They only stay with a company a few years for a quick kill.
Only they fucked up. People here can't afford to buy even "cheap" goods.
And look at what is going on in China. They just had a major strike at an Apple/Hewlett Packard electronics plant where the 300,000 person plant had to "double" the salaries to 273 dollars A MONTH. Now those companies are seeing a 36% DECLINE in profits.
Republicans will say, "Oh those GREEDY Chinese. Doubling their salary to 273 dollars a month. What will they want next? Weekends? Vacation pay? Health Care?" Republicans will say, "Fucking Chinese, worse than those lazy unemployed whose jobs we moved overseas".
Yes, the Chinese people have become more demanding. They are starting to ask for benefits, and now many companies are moving on to Vietnam. These Communist countries are great havens for them to exploit the populace.
Have you noticed that?
Republicans cry and whine about he "evils" of socialism and then move jobs to "socialist" countries. They "use" a system they hate and insist they want to end that system while at the same time, using that system and those people for "profit". I guess it's just an example of their "values".
Isn't that odd?
dude, its not that the unemployed are lazy (although some of them love the taxpayer money), its that a lot of them are unemployable, meaning, they aren't qualified to do ANYTHING that would benefit society.
Hey right wing scum bag...there is currently ONE job available for every 5 people unemployed.
Translation for pea brains like you...there are NO jobs that would benefit society. Your beloved 'captains of industry', wealthy CEO's and corporate cartels you lick the asshole of have NO desire to employ Americans, when they can hire 3rd world slave labor.
And bonuses...Can't forget that Bubba made that change to the tax code, making it more advantageous for CEOs to get the bulk of their pay in the bonuses that leftist ignoramus wackaloons screech about.What happened is a generation of "greed". Or as I like to say, "Republican values".
In the 50's and 60's, when CEOs were making 30 times the average salary, they stayed with a company 30 years and "grew" that company. They poured money back into their "workers" because those workers would buy "stuff". We had a healthy capitalistic society.
Then came today's CEOs. They moved jobs to China for those low wages. They bumped up their own pay from 30 times as much to 3 hundred to 4 hundred times as much.
They only stay with a company a few years for a quick kill.
Only they fucked up. People here can't afford to buy even "cheap" goods.
And look at what is going on in China. They just had a major strike at an Apple/Hewlett Packard electronics plant where the 300,000 person plant had to "double" the salaries to 273 dollars A MONTH. Now those companies are seeing a 36% DECLINE in profits.
Republicans will say, "Oh those GREEDY Chinese. Doubling their salary to 273 dollars a month. What will they want next? Weekends? Vacation pay? Health Care?" Republicans will say, "Fucking Chinese, worse than those lazy unemployed whose jobs we moved overseas".
This pretty much pins the meter for Economic Illiteracy.
The Poor in America benefit hugely from cheap Chinese Goods. Such goods enable The Poor on Welfare to live lives that are more comfortable and healthy than those of kings in the Dark Ages.
It would behoove you to look at the tax law changes that have made the gap between CEO and average worker pay greater. In order to ensure that Rich CEOs earned their pay, regulations and taxes were changed to encourage pay being heavily based in stock options. Much of this "income" is actually an accounting trick - most of it does actually end up being paid to the CEO. It's GAAP expensing of options.
And now we have a monetary policy - DC Cronymism system on hyperdrive that creates huge market distortions making such options either incredibly valuable or virtually worthless.
If you are sincerely concerned about "fair pay", get government out of the business of picking winners and losers, and dramatically simplify the tax code.
You realize there are people who draw unemployment because they were fired for poor performance or misbehavior on the job, right? The system was not designed for that, but it certainly allows it. I know a girl now who has been on unemployment throughout this entire debacle, all because she was fired for stealing money at a bank.
You don't really expect people to take that claim seriously do you? You obviously don't know anything about applying for UI. They contact your previous employer and let them know that you have applied, and give the employer an opportunity to contest the claim and ask that it be denied. Now you expect us to believe that an employer who fired someone for theft did NOT contest the payment of UI??? Or that UI overruled the employer and paid money out to the employee despite the proof from the employer of the theft?
Get real. The states have really tightened up in the last few years--even people who were fired for lesser infractions are being denied benefits.
Believe what you want. It's true.
No. It's the fact that THERE ARE NO JOBS!!!!!dude, its not that the unemployed are lazy (although some of them love the taxpayer money), its that a lot of them are unemployable, meaning, they aren't qualified to do ANYTHING that would benefit society.
It shouldn't exist to begin with.
Ah, but just like SS and Medicare, it does, and we have all paid into it. We deserve to be able to draw from a system we have paid into our entire working lives, should corporate America choose to hire cheap labor overseas.....
What happened is a generation of "greed". Or as I like to say, "Republican values".
In the 50's and 60's, when CEOs were making 30 times the average salary, they stayed with a company 30 years and "grew" that company. They poured money back into their "workers" because those workers would buy "stuff". We had a healthy capitalistic society.
Then came today's CEOs. They moved jobs to China for those low wages. They bumped up their own pay from 30 times as much to 3 hundred to 4 hundred times as much.
They only stay with a company a few years for a quick kill.
Only they fucked up. People here can't afford to buy even "cheap" goods.
And look at what is going on in China. They just had a major strike at an Apple/Hewlett Packard electronics plant where the 300,000 person plant had to "double" the salaries to 273 dollars A MONTH. Now those companies are seeing a 36% DECLINE in profits.
Republicans will say, "Oh those GREEDY Chinese. Doubling their salary to 273 dollars a month. What will they want next? Weekends? Vacation pay? Health Care?" Republicans will say, "Fucking Chinese, worse than those lazy unemployed whose jobs we moved overseas".
You don't really expect people to take that claim seriously do you? You obviously don't know anything about applying for UI. They contact your previous employer and let them know that you have applied, and give the employer an opportunity to contest the claim and ask that it be denied. Now you expect us to believe that an employer who fired someone for theft did NOT contest the payment of UI??? Or that UI overruled the employer and paid money out to the employee despite the proof from the employer of the theft?
Get real. The states have really tightened up in the last few years--even people who were fired for lesser infractions are being denied benefits.
Believe what you want. It's true.
You keep throwing nonsense out in your effort to convince others of the undeserving unemployed in the US. In this particular instance there is no way that someone was stealing from her employer, and UI, learning of this, paid the person anyway.
I suggest you don't try to sleep, because for you, this life is as good as it gets. You will spend eternity burning in hell. You are a fucking scum bag...
Contemplate THIS you scurvy little pile of excrement: these people were NOT on unemployment before this economic disaster hit. They were working. If you were barely surviving on unemployment insurance, would YOU take a job that would pay you a little more than half the unemployment benefit? Would you forfeit your house and live in the street?
HERE is the guy Gingrich was talking about...
Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live; it is asking others to live as one wishes to live.
Oscar Wilde
It seems to me that the person the original article discussed didn't belong to a "working" family. He seemed content on "not working" and taking what he felt he was "entitled" to.
You can lump me with the Republicans to your heart's desire. It's YOUR attitude that is driving Independents away from the Democratic party. Your "If you're not in lockstep with us, you are in lockstep with THEM" mantra will cost you this election season, and depending on whom the Republicans can come up with, likely the White House in two years. My fear is that because of your idiocy, someone like Palin or Gingrich WILL get elected. That's what happens when you try so hard to alienate everyone that doesn't idealize what you idealize. The Republicans have done it for years, and now the Democrats are the same way. Your attempts at trying to make me out to be a villain because I don't pity the most worthless scum in America won't work. I still think your ideals are fucked.
So....now the unemployed middle class are the "most worthless scum in America"? You should be Newt's running mate!!
People who milk the system and take out more than they have earned most certainly are scum. I have no pity on those people. Society is better off without them.
I'd never run with Newt. He's not financially responsible enough for my tastes, and I don't favor the religious aspects of the right.
Trust me, if I were running for office, I'd either be the most hated guy for being far too radical in financial responsibility ("You want to cut spending AND increase taxes, what?!"), or I'd be the most loved guy for making sense. Plus, if I were asked any questions on: homosexuality, religion, abortion, etc., I'd simply respond with, "I don't fucking care. Those are not political issues. Next question."
Yeah, I don't think I'd ever run for office.
Here is an idea for a US company to move offshore they must put salaries for all the laid off employees for 2 years into an escrow account for the employees laid off.
It'll be fun to see cons with a mortgage and family take a job flipping burgers.
Believe what you want. It's true.
You keep throwing nonsense out in your effort to convince others of the undeserving unemployed in the US. In this particular instance there is no way that someone was stealing from her employer, and UI, learning of this, paid the person anyway.
I don't know (nor care) how she was able to get around the rules, but she was.
She's just an instance of someone receiving unemployment that never should have.
Should I start on the millions of cases of people receiving benefits who never looked for jobs during their unemployment period? Or the people who have received extended benefits because they turned down jobs that didn't suit their fancy? This system (and all government run systems) are far too easy to manipulate and cheat. Period.
Clearly something (many things) have to be done.
Don't count on it though.
The PLAN to bankrupt this nation is too mature now to stop it.
Yeah, that's right I believe this is being done on purpose.
Both party's leadership cannot be as dumb as they seem.
You cannot on spend money like fools, cut taxes, fight expensive wars, send off industry to the third world and STILL think that's a formula for a solvent national economy.
And the above describes what combined BOTH PARTIES have been doing for the last 40 years, folks.
A-fucking-men!
The day that America figures out that NEITHER political party has their best interest at heart, the day we can begin fixing the problems that we allowed to be created. Until then, I'll just sit back and watch partisan idiots bicker over who cares about whom. The reality is neither party cares about any of you. Get over it already.
I don't understand how anyone living in this country could compare the Republican and the Democratic parties. They are as different and "night and day".
In a previous link, I outlined the difference. No would could say where I was wrong, they only called me names.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/relig...-poverty-of-political-debate.html#post2614482
But let's look a little farther into the differences.
There are those on the right who now think that Bush wasn't really "conservative" because of his many failures. The truth is, Bush "exemplified" what "conservatism" is all about. Bush was the first president raised into the "pure" Republican Conservative ideology.
If you cut taxes for the rich, the money will "trickle down" in the form of jobs and security.
Strong corporations mean a "strong" America (to achieve this you need to deregulate and cut corporate tax and lower wages).
Invade other countries before they become a "threat" (and of course, it's a great way to "spread democracy" and get oil).
If it's for "God", the ends justifies the means.
Pure and unvarnished "conservatism".
Bush was the first president their "conservative principles" were put fully into practice. And for conservatives, rather than see the terrible failure of that awful ideology, they look for "scapegoats". Democrats don't support America. The unemployed are lazy. Gays getting married. Hispanics are taking our jobs. WE WANT "OUR" COUNTRY BACK!
This is why you can't compare Democrats to the ideology driven Republicans. Because Democrats are made up of "everyone else". They can't run on "ideology". They have to run on "negotiation" and "consensus". It's all they have.
So go ahead, call me names. That's just the hard "truth".
You do have to keep good records of where you applied for a job, which these days I imagine is difficult, since there aren't that many jobs to apply for.
Hey right wing scum bag...there is currently ONE job available for every 5 people unemployed.
Translation for pea brains like you...there are NO jobs that would benefit society. Your beloved 'captains of industry', wealthy CEO's and corporate cartels you lick the asshole of have NO desire to employ Americans, when they can hire 3rd world slave labor.
The population is worried that there will be ever diminishing opportunity thanks to the absolutely wrong minded attempts of this administration to correct a situation that was never as bad as they said at the start.
They corrected that reality by their bad policies, messages of doom and theft.
Companies hire people to do work. The government hires people to fill chairs. When the government exhorts companies to hire people even when there is no work to do, they are only exposing their utter lack of understanding of how things actually work.
This administration thinks that if they say to hire people, profit driven organiations will do so because government, which can lose money and still exist, can do this.
Idiocy.
This administration doesn't know how business works. Doesn't know why it's not working well right now. Doesn't know how to make it better. Doesn't know what the effect of any policy will be.
This is a pretty bleak situation. The American people are understanding what's going on even if the Administration and the loving media do not.
Does anyone wonder why the media was reporting that the economy was bad in 2006 when we had 4.5% unemployment and they seem to think it's not so bad right now?
You stupid right wing fucks don't understand how humans work. The Bush tax cuts created ZERO private sector jobs in the decade they've been in place. ALL they created was wealth for the top 1% and a huge hole in revenues for We, the working class to PAY.
The 'situation that was never as bad as they said at the start' was WORSE than they said or predicted. The stimulus was too small and now states and local governments are being forced to cut off vital services.
Without a jobs initiative the size and scope of the New Deal we will soon see just how bad it REALLY is.