Geothermal Energy for the Future?

Just three sites that show your cherry picking of that article to be incorrect. As the Scientific American article stated, Geothermal is the biggest untapped resource we have at present.

Renewable Energy Sources in the United States

http://geology.utah.gov/emp/geothermal/ugwg/workshop0805/ppt/petty0805.ppt

Abstract: The Business Of Geothermal Power: From Conventional To Unconventional… ‘Sedimentary Basins’, by Richard J. Erdlac, Jr., Ph.D., P.G. (TX, PA); #90089 (2009)

The Business Of Geothermal Power: From Conventional To Unconventional… ‘Sedimentary Basins’

Richard J. Erdlac, Jr., Ph.D., P.G. (TX, PA)
Erdlac Energy Consulting EEC

Existing geothermal power production in the U.S. has focused on western states like California and Nevada. This has resulted in over 2800 MW of online geothermal electrical power being produced every hour. Over a one year period this production is the equivalent to over 15.2 million bbls of oil or over 83.7 million mcf of gas. As of May of 2007, new reported additional geothermal power development activity was over 2400 MW.

However, past investigations by the AAPG, USGS, and the DOE have shown the presence of an untapped geothermal resource ignored in sedimentary basins. This potential stretches from the Gulf Coast north through many of the other oil and gas producing states into the Williston Basin. Existing turbine technologies, such as a flash steam or binary power plant, make acquisition of this resource from wells drilled in sedimentary basins a known straight forward process. The advent of skid-mounted micro-turbines less than 1 MW in size allows for expanding the amount of production to lower temperatures a lower water flow rates.

Various temperatures and flow rates can be used to generate power of 25 kW/hr to around 2.5 megawatts/hr from a single well. This power can be used for offsetting electric demands at a field or it may be of sufficient production to be sold into the power grid as a base load renewable resource. Two example wells, from the Permian Basin and the Texas Gulf Coast, suggest net power outputs of 1.4 MW and 3.1 MW respectively from hot water, entrained natural gas, and horsepower from the fluid flow.

Exploration and development costs vary depending on the size of the resource, the availability of the electrical delivery infrastructure, and the location of the resource. In general, the larger the resource the less expensive the development cost. Similarly a hotter resource (i.e. 284oF) will result in lower capital costs than a resource that has a lower temperature (i.e. 212oF). Proximity to an existing electrical infrastructure decreases development cost, especially when cost for high voltage lines can be $1 million per mile.

Location of the resource may have the greatest overall impact on the project cost. Existing geothermal power projects have been in the western states in arid areas where the resource can at times be blind with little to know surface manifestation. Federal lands are often involved, along with the need to build a delivery infrastructure. Time between initial explorations, to capitalization, to final production can take 5 years. The prime advantage to these areas has been heat reservoirs of several 10’s of MW at shallow (i.e. 5,000 ft) depths. Capital costs in a sedimentary basin for geothermal production will be very different. Sedimentary basins that have been explored for oil and gas generally have a readily available electrical delivery system already established. The size of the resource may be similar to the western states, but the depth is substantially greater, easily on the order of 18,000 feet in some areas. However large amounts of data already exist from oil and gas drilling that can be used for geothermal evaluation in an area. Consideration of the available hot water in the subsurface can improve overall economics in a mature basin by providing production of three energy resources…oil, gas, and hot water for geothermal electrical power. Much of the existing oil and gas infrastructure will thus reduce the overall cost of such an energy development. The payoff is a renewable resource whose produced value can be in the several billions of dollars just in Texas alone.

Geothermal energy development allows the existing oil and gas industry to move into renewable energy production using the personnel, data, and technology already in existence. It offers the opportunity for improving company PR and offsetting of future potential carbon taxes that would affect fossil fuel production. As fossil fuel production continues to decrease over time, energy production and financial stability can be found by managing the production of an energy resource that will continue to renew itself…Geothermal.
 
A point here concerning Geothermal. Many of the best geo-thermal sites also happen to be sites where there is a lot of sun and wind. In Southeast Oregon, a grid from Klamath Falls east to the Idaho border would go through ideal areas for geo-thermal, sun, and wind. Most of the land in the area is BLM, and very sparsely populated. It would be a boon to all in Oregon and power hungry California.

Chase for wind power turns to Oregon's public lands | Oregon Environmental News - – OregonLive.com
 
Old Crock has gone off half cocked, I spoke of cost, where does your post dispute the cost.

Sources, your funny as hell as an idiot, you would argue with the Geothermal Energy Association, you must get so angry when someone posts facts you cannot dispute you go off half cocked without reading or comprehending what you are responding to.

The Geothermal Energy Association wrote this report for the Department of Energy. The GEA is the industry leader promoting the development of geothermal energy. At least the GEA is truthful, they have to be, as professionals they will not be of use if they do not address all the issues relating to the cost of geothermal. The GEA will not be able to develop a strategy to further the use of geothermal if they do not address all the issues.

Old Crock in going off half cocked states the following people are incorrect:

This report is the result of a long research project that involved many geothermal stakeholders and industry experts. These persons helped explain how various and complex parameters affecting the cost of geothermal power development and production may be. I specially want to thank:
Gordon Bloomquist for the collaboration, data sharing, advice and comments he provided throughout several research phases.
Stuart Johnson for the answers he brought to my numerous questions and for the visit he offered me of ORMAT's Steamboat geothermal power plants.
Dan Schochet for the questions to which he took the time to respond, as well as for the crucial information he provided on specific issues.
Bernard Raemy for the answers and information he gave me about the Salton Sea Unit #6 project and the very specific challenges related to that geothermal resource.
Allan Jelacic and Douglas Jung for the reviews, comments and background information they offered me.
John Pritchett and Kenneth Phair for the quality of their review and their help to clarify specific sections.
Domenic Falcone and Brandon Owens for the information, data, model explanations, and other details they provided about project financing and tax issues.
Dan Entingh, Jeff Hulen, Joel Renner, Greg. Mines, Roger Hill, Arthur Mansure, Joe Greco, and Susan Petty for their numerous responses, comments and explanations.
Charlene Wardlow for her interest and precious help in gathering the information about The Geysers geothermal resource and power plants. Keshav Goyal, Dean Cooley, and Dennis Gilles for the information they provided about the particulars of their company.
Laurie McClenahan for describing and explaining the factors affecting the cost of the permitting phase of geothermal power exploration and site development.
Tom Ettinger & J Bruggman for their input on technology choices and options, and the effect of such options on the power plant cost.
Thomas Petersik for the relevancy of his comments.
Karl Gawell for his perceptive supervision, support, and ideas brought throughout this research.
Alyssa Kagel for her help in editing this document.
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Bloomquist G. in "Economics and Financing", Geothermal Energy (UNESCO), Chapter 9. M.H. Dickson and M. Fanelli. 2002.
Brugman J., Hattar M., Nichols K., Esaki Y., "Next Generation of Geothermal Power Plants", Electric Power Research Institute, 1996
California Energy Commission, "Renewable Resources Development Report", September 30, 2003.
California Energy Commission, "Comparative Cost of California Central Station Electricity Generation Technologies", June 5, 2003.
California Energy Commission, "Comparative Study of Transmission Alternatives - Background Report", June 2004.
Cooley D. "Making the Operation of a Geothermal Power Plant Cost Competitive", Geothermal Resources Council Transactions, Vol. 21, Sept/Oct. 1997.
Delene J. & all "An Assessment of the Economics of Future Electric Power Generation Options and the Implications for Fusion", Oak Ridge National Laboratory, 1999.
Entingh D. & McVeigh J. "Historical Improvements in Geothermal Power System Costs" Geothermal Resources Council Transactions, Vol. 27, Oct. 2003, pp 533-537.
Entingh D. & McVeigh J. "Geothermal Power Capital Cost Improvements since 1985" Princeton Energy Resources International, May 2003.
DiPippo R. "Small Geothermal Power Plants Design, Performance and Economics", Geo-Heat Center Bulletin, June 1999.
Falcone D. "Financing Geothermal Projects", International Renewable Energy Conference, Honolulu, Sept. 1988.
Forsha M. & Nichols K. "Factors affecting the Capital Cost of Binary Power Plants", Barber-Nichols Inc.,
Hiriart G. & Andaluz J. "Strategies and economics of geothermal Power Development in Mexico", World Geothermal Congress, Japan, June 2000.
Klein C.W., Lovekin J.W., S.K. Sanyal, "New Geothermal Site Identification and Qualification" GeothermEx, Inc. 2004.
Kutscher Ch. "The Status and Future of Geothermal Electric Power", National Renewable Energy Laboratory, August 2000.
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Liebowitz H. & Markus D. "Economic Performance of Geothermal Power Plants using the Kalina Cycle Technology", Geothermal Resources Council Transactions, Vol. 14, August 1990.
Lovekin J. "The economics of sustainable geothermal development", World Geothermal Congress, Japan, June 2000.
Mansure A & Carson C. "Geothermal Completion Technology Life-Cycle Cost Model (GEOCOM)”, Geothermal Resources Council Transactions, Vol. 6, October 1982.
Meidav T. "Export Potential of Geothermal Technology", National Geothermal Association, 1993.
Moscatelli G. & Sormani G. "A New Generation of Low Cost High Performance Steam Turbines for Geothermal Applications" Geothermal Resources Council Transactions, Vol. 22, September 1998.
Murphy H. & Niitsuma H. "Strategies for compensating for higher costs of geothermal electricity with environmental benefits", Geothermics 28 (1991) 693-711.
Nielson D., "Competitive economics of Geothermal Energy: The Exploration and Development Perspective", University of Utah, 1989.
Owens B. "An Economic Valuation of a Geothermal Production Tax Credit", National Renewable Energy Laboratory, April 2002.
Owens B. "Financing Wind", PR&C Renewable Power Service: RPS-4, March 2004.
Owens B. "Does the PTC Work?", PR&C Renewable Power Service: RPS-5, July 2004.
Sanyal S. "Cost of Geothermal Power and Factors that affect it", GeothermEx, 2004.
Sifford A. & Beale K "Economic Impacts of geothermal Power Development in Harney County, Oregon", Geothermal Resources Council Transactions, Vol. 15, Oct. 1991.
Simons G., Peterson T. & Poore R. "California Renewable Technology Market and Benefits Assessment", Electric Power Research Institute, 2001
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Stefansson V. "Investment cost for geothermal power plants", Geothermics 31, pp 263-272, 2002.
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Thorhallsson S. & Ragnarssson A. "What is Geothermal Steam Worth?", Geothermics, Vol. 21 No5/6, pp 901-915, 1992.
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Old Crock goes off half cocked, you are a big joke. You really fucked up with your posts and your easily proven lack of understanding of your own material.

The article you site does not state that geothermal is cheaper, its the headline you cherry picked that is misleading. Read the whole article fool.

Just three sites that show your cherry picking of that article to be incorrect. As the Scientific American article stated, Geothermal is the biggest untapped resource we have at present.

If I read the Scientific America article its easy to see you did not read the article, just the headline. Lets look at who Scientific America uses as a source. Within this paragraph on the second page is a link to a 2005 paper.

Other sources dispute this number—Glitnir bank, a financier of geothermal in Iceland and elsewhere, claims that geothermal plants are operational up to 95 percent of the time, and a 2005 paper (pdf) by academics in the field claims that in aggregate, geothermal plants in the U.S. produce power about 80 percent of the time

Here is the title of the paper with its authors:

The United States of America Country Update
John W. Lund1, R. Gordon Bloomquist2, Tonya L. Boyd1, Joel Renner3
1Geo-Heat Center, Oregon Institute of Technology, Klamath Falls, OR
2Washington State University Energy Program, Olympia, WA
3Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory, Idaho Falls, ID

If you go to the Bibliography of the GEA report and look at the very first source we find its Gordon Bloomquist.

So who is incorrect, who is going off half cocked. Tell us how Bloomquist proves Bloomquist is incorrect.

This is why I call people morons, its because some people are morons.

This report is the result of a long research project that involved many geothermal stakeholders and industry experts. These persons helped explain how various and complex parameters affecting the cost of geothermal power development and production may be. I specially want to thank:
Gordon Bloomquist for the collaboration, data sharing, advice and comments he provided throughout several research phases.
 
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Seems that MIT believes that geothermal has a bright future.

MIT PUBLISHES "THE FUTURE OF GEOTHERMAL ENERGY.". -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

WORLDWIDE ENERGY
P.O. BOX 243273, BOYNTON BEACH, FL 33424 TEL. (561)738-2276 MARCH 2007 Vol. 18, No. 3 E-mail: [email protected] Copyright 2007 by Worldwide Videotex Web site: www.wvpubs.com

MIT PUBLISHES "THE FUTURE OF GEOTHERMAL ENERGY" A comprehensive new MIT-led study of the potential for geothermal energy within the United States has found that mining the huge amounts of heat that reside as stored thermal energy in the Earth's hard rock crust could supply a substantial portion of the electricity the United States will need in the future, probably at competitive prices and with minimal environmental impact. An 18-member panel led by MIT prepared the 400-plus page study, titled "The Future of Geothermal Energy." Sponsored by the U.S. Department of Energy, it is the first study in some 30 years to take a new look at geothermal, an energy resource that has been largely ignored. The goal of the study was to assess the feasibility, potential environmental impacts and economic viability of using enhanced geothermal system (EGS) technology to greatly increase the fraction of the U.S. geothermal resource that could be recovered commercially. Although geothermal energy is produced commercially today and the United States is the world's biggest producer, existing U.S. plants have focused on the high-grade geothermal systems primarily located in isolated regions of the west. This new study takes a more ambitious look at this resource and evaluates its potential for much larger-scale deployment. "We've determined that heat mining can be economical in the short term, based on a global analysis of existing geothermal systems, an assessment of the total U.S. resource and continuing improvements in deep-drilling and reservoir stimulation technology," said panel head Jefferson W. Tester, the H. P. Meissner Professor of Chemical Engineering at MIT. "EGS technology has already been proven to work in the few areas where underground heat has been successfully extracted. And further technological improvements can be expected," he said.
 
Yes, Bloomquist is an excellant spokesman for the promotion and expansion of geothermal energy.

The Geothermal Energy Blog

[http://geoheat.oit.edu/pdf/tp106.pdf]

The United States of America Country Update
John W. Lund(1), R. Gordon Bloomquist(2), Tonya L. Boyd(1), Joel Renner(3)
(1)Geo-Heat Center, Oregon Institute of Technology, Klamath Falls, OR
(2)Washington State University Energy Program, Olympia, WA
(3)Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory, Idaho Falls, ID
Proceedings World Geothermal Congress 2005, Antalya, Turkey, 24-29 April 2005

ABSTRACT
Geothermal energy is used for electric power generation and direct utilization in the United States. The present installed capacity (gross) for electric power generation is 2,534 MWe with about 2,000 MWe net delivering power to the grid producing approximately 17,840 GWh per year for a 80.4% gross capacity factor. Geothermal electric power plants are located in California, Nevada, Utah and Hawaii. The two largest concentrations of plants are at The Geysers in northern California and the Imperial Valley in southern California. The latest development at The Geysers, starting in 1998, is injecting recycled wastewater from two communities into the reservoir, which presently has recovered about 100 MWe of power generation. The second pipeline from the Santa Rosa area has just come on line. The direct utilization of geothermal energy includes the heating of pools and spas, greenhouses and aquaculture facilities, space heating and district heating, snow melting, agricultural drying, industrial applications and groundsource heat pumps. The installed capacity is 7,817 MWt and the annual energy use is about 31,200 TJ or 8,680 GWh. The largest application is ground-source(geothermal) heat pumps (69% of the energy use), and the next largest direct-uses are in space heating and agricultural drying. Direct utilization (without heat pumps) is increasing at about 2.6% per year; whereas electric power plant development is almost static, with only about 70 MWe added since 2000 (there were errors in the WGC2000 tabulation). A new 185-MWe plant being proposed for the Imperial Valley and about 100 MWe for Glass Mountain in northern California could be online by 2007-2008. Several new plants are proposed for Nevada totaling about 100 MWe and projects have been proposed in Idaho, New Mexico, Oregon and Utah. The total planned in the next 10 years is 632 MWe. The energy savings from electric power generation, direct-uses and ground-source heat pumps amounts to almost nine million tonnes of equivalent fuel oil per years and reduces air pollution by almost eight million tonnes of carbon annually (compared to fuel oil.
 
Yes, Bloomquist is an excellant spokesman for the promotion and expansion of geothermal energy.

Yet Old Criock attempted to discredit the Article and link I posted, Old Crock has yet to go my source and show us what Old Crock is refering to.

This report is the result of a long research project that involved many geothermal stakeholders and industry experts. These persons helped explain how various and complex parameters affecting the cost of geothermal power development and production may be. I specially want to thank:
Gordon Bloomquist for the collaboration, data sharing, advice and comments he provided throughout several research phases.

So Old Crock, you must agree the cost of Geothermal is too high, will result in higher electrical rates, that tax payer money will be given to corporations to make a profit. That costs will have to be hidden to even make Geothermal look feasible. All Old Crocks sources say this.

Old Crock all your source say exactly what I say, I went to the MIT study, again you did not read it. Let me cut and paste from Old Crocks sources.

Read the report than read aritcles quoting the report, the media is cherry picking and OLD CROCK IS CHERRY PICKING THE CHERRY PICKERS.

http://geothermal.inel.gov/publications/future_of_geothermal_energy.pdf

These funds compensate for the higher capital and financing costs expected for early-generation EGS plants, which would be expected as a result of somewhat higher field development (drilling and stimulation) costs per unit of power initially produced. Higher generating costs, in turn, lead to higher perceived financial risk for investors with corresponding higher-debt interest rates and equity rates of return. In effect, the federal investment can be viewed as equivalent to an “absorbed cost” of deployment.
In addition, investments in R&D will also be needed to reduce costs in future deployment of EGS plants. To a great extent, energy markets and government policies will influence the private sector’s interest in developing EGS technology. In today’s economic climate, there is reluctance for private industry to invest its funds without strong guarantees. Thus, initially, it is likely that government will have to fully support EGS fieldwork and supporting R&D. Later, as field sites are established and proven, the private sector will assume a greater role in cofunding projects – especially with government incentives
accelerating the transition to independently financed EGS projects in the private sector. Our analysis indicates that, after a few EGS plants at several sites are built and operating, the technology will improve to a point where development costs and risks would diminish significantly, allowing the levelized cost of producing EGS electricity in the United States to be at or below market prices. Given these issues and growing concerns over long-term energy security, the federal government will need to provide funds directly or introduce other incentives in support of EGS as a long-term “public good,” similar to early federal investments in large hydropower dam projects and nuclear power reactors.

All Old Crock is doing is proving that to sell Geothermal to the public the environuts must cherry pick source and count on people to be stupid, lazy, and ignorant. As long as people are stupid enough to believe Geothermal is good and as long as people are lazy enough not to read the studies the environuts source, than people will remain ingnorant.

So once again, for the third time, Old Crock has cherry picked a source.

GEOTHERMAL IS POLLUTING AND EXPENSIVE, GEOTHERMAL'S POWER OUTPUT IS EXTREMELY WEAK, GEOTHERMAL IS DANGEROUS TO WORKERS AND DAMAGING TO THE EARTH.
 
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Can Geothermal Power Compete with Coal on Price?: Scientific American

Combine a new U.S. president pushing a stimulus package that includes $28 billion in direct subsidies for renewable energy with another $13 billion for research and development, and the picture for renewable energy—geothermal power among the options—is brightening. The newest report, from international investment bank Credit Suisse, says geothermal power costs 3.6 cents per kilowatt-hour, versus 5.5 cents per kilowatt-hour for coal.
 
Widely available and easily transported:

RNGR11NUS_1a.jpg


This could make us energy independent with a few years. The graph is in billions of cubic feet. so add nine (9) zeros to the numbers.
 
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Widely available and easily transported:

RNGR11NUS_1a.jpg


This could make us energy independent with a few years. The graph is in billions of cubic feet. so add nine (9) zeros to the numbers.

There are many problems with this.

1. It will not bankrupt the USA and that is what the Liberal/Marxist need.
2. This will not raise energy prices
3. Without higher energy prices its harder to make people dependent on government
4. If people are not dependent on government Liberalism/Marxism can fail.
5. Useing fossil fuels directly to make electricity is greener than windmills, and less polluting.

I could go on, natural gas will be taxed to prevent its use. With only weak energy sources like solar, wind, and geothermal, we will lose more industry.

Electric rates are already too high, over 200 bucks a month for one of my freinds, others pay even more. I pay less because I am never home.

So go ahead dumb asses, support green energy, you will have to pay a lot more and you will be polluting the earth and using up the natural resources faster and that is exactly what the liberal/marxist/environuts want. They want to destroy the world, just read what they say, they hate people, from abortion to turning corn into ethanol, Liberal/Marxist/Environuts want to hurt people, its that clear.

Old Crock, I already addressed, the guy is either real stupid or knows eventually I will get tired, the environut does not even address any post that discredits his post, hell, over and over you can take Old Crocks sources and prove old crock wrong.

What a joke, but that is why they are environuts, its all about telling big lies to the public so they make money and we suffer, so they are in power and we suffer.
 
Where is Old Crock in this thread, Old Crock you keep useing the same source you used here you are using in other threads. So why hide Old Crock. Where is your rebuttal. I guess you know you cannot support your dumb idea that geothermal is a good idea.

Geothermal is a power source used for a hundred years, a mature technology that has reached is peak, a complete waste of money

This thread and LOL in environment are the same, check out how Old Crock in LOL shows geothermal to be extremely expensive, polluting and unreliable. Thanks Old Crock, you are your own worst enemy.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/92812-lol-7.html#post1696779
 
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In this thread I have posted fact after fact after fact and now JD2B posts lies about all my posts claiming I dont present facts. Should I start a new thread and ignore this one. Hell we are still talking about the same subject so why a new thread on the same subject, why ignore this thread with all the information, all the links, all the facts.

The damned morons wish to ignore all the facts posted and start a thread simply stating "green energy is gold", what happens when I post in those, this thread is ignored until its gone.

This is the relevant thread, this thread is ignored, the morons start a new thread without facts.

Is this the debate and why we have are going green, because morons WILL NOT THINK OR DO HOMEWORK
 
Widely available and easily transported:

RNGR11NUS_1a.jpg


This could make us energy independent with a few years. The graph is in billions of cubic feet. so add nine (9) zeros to the numbers.

There are many problems with this.

1. It will not bankrupt the USA and that is what the Liberal/Marxist need.
2. This will not raise energy prices
3. Without higher energy prices its harder to make people dependent on government
4. If people are not dependent on government Liberalism/Marxism can fail.
5. Useing fossil fuels directly to make electricity is greener than windmills, and less polluting.

I could go on, natural gas will be taxed to prevent its use. With only weak energy sources like solar, wind, and geothermal, we will lose more industry.

Electric rates are already too high, over 200 bucks a month for one of my freinds, others pay even more. I pay less because I am never home.

So go ahead dumb asses, support green energy, you will have to pay a lot more and you will be polluting the earth and using up the natural resources faster and that is exactly what the liberal/marxist/environuts want. They want to destroy the world, just read what they say, they hate people, from abortion to turning corn into ethanol, Liberal/Marxist/Environuts want to hurt people, its that clear.

Old Crock, I already addressed, the guy is either real stupid or knows eventually I will get tired, the environut does not even address any post that discredits his post, hell, over and over you can take Old Crocks sources and prove old crock wrong.

What a joke, but that is why they are environuts, its all about telling big lies to the public so they make money and we suffer, so they are in power and we suffer.

I have never paid very much for natural gas, and I used it for heating my home for many many years.

You are a psycho..

Where is Old Crock in this thread, Old Crock you keep useing the same source you used here you are using in other threads. So why hide Old Crock. Where is your rebuttal. I guess you know you cannot support your dumb idea that geothermal is a good idea.

Geothermal is a power source used for a hundred years, a mature technology that has reached is peak, a complete waste of money

This thread and LOL in environment are the same, check out how Old Crock in LOL shows geothermal to be extremely expensive, polluting and unreliable. Thanks Old Crock, you are your own worst enemy.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/enviro...ml#post1696779

Sorry, but a USMB thread is not a SOURCE. And yes- you are hard-up for Old Rocks. Stop stalking him, and then jacking off at all his posts, freak.
 
Widely available and easily transported:

RNGR11NUS_1a.jpg


This could make us energy independent with a few years. The graph is in billions of cubic feet. so add nine (9) zeros to the numbers.

There are many problems with this.

1. It will not bankrupt the USA and that is what the Liberal/Marxist need.
2. This will not raise energy prices
3. Without higher energy prices its harder to make people dependent on government
4. If people are not dependent on government Liberalism/Marxism can fail.
5. Useing fossil fuels directly to make electricity is greener than windmills, and less polluting.

I could go on, natural gas will be taxed to prevent its use. With only weak energy sources like solar, wind, and geothermal, we will lose more industry.

Electric rates are already too high, over 200 bucks a month for one of my freinds, others pay even more. I pay less because I am never home.

So go ahead dumb asses, support green energy, you will have to pay a lot more and you will be polluting the earth and using up the natural resources faster and that is exactly what the liberal/marxist/environuts want. They want to destroy the world, just read what they say, they hate people, from abortion to turning corn into ethanol, Liberal/Marxist/Environuts want to hurt people, its that clear.

Old Crock, I already addressed, the guy is either real stupid or knows eventually I will get tired, the environut does not even address any post that discredits his post, hell, over and over you can take Old Crocks sources and prove old crock wrong.

What a joke, but that is why they are environuts, its all about telling big lies to the public so they make money and we suffer, so they are in power and we suffer.

I have never paid very much for natural gas, and I used it for heating my home for many many years.

You are a psycho..

Where is Old Crock in this thread, Old Crock you keep useing the same source you used here you are using in other threads. So why hide Old Crock. Where is your rebuttal. I guess you know you cannot support your dumb idea that geothermal is a good idea.

Geothermal is a power source used for a hundred years, a mature technology that has reached is peak, a complete waste of money

This thread and LOL in environment are the same, check out how Old Crock in LOL shows geothermal to be extremely expensive, polluting and unreliable. Thanks Old Crock, you are your own worst enemy.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/enviro...ml#post1696779

Sorry, but a USMB thread is not a SOURCE. And yes- you are hard-up for Old Rocks. Stop stalking him, and then jacking off at all his posts, freak.

How come you follow and lick it all up? You are the vixen, mmm, mmm, good. It is nice to see I have a vixen stalker as nasty and dirty as you.
 
another thread that Old Crock must ignore.

Old Crock does not read Old Crock's sources, I have now used Old Crock's sources six times to show Old Crock does not know what he is talking about.
 

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