Gaza Freedom Flotilla Attacked, 2 killed 50 Injured - Israeli Murder and Piracy

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine is the fictional state that borders Israel. So the borders of that fictional state are also Israel's borders (on that side of Palestine, that is).

Sorry reality is such an overwhelming obstacle for you, pinhead.

Perhaps you should read the documents on the 1949 Armistice Agreements. Your statement conflicts with their findings.

Perhaps you should quote and link the relevant parts to formulate a coherent argument, since it appears that you don't understand the things you read. You also seem to focus only on old agreements that have been modified over time by a number of factors, including war.

What you consider a technicality worthy of being trumpeted is therefore actually nothing but historical flotsam and jetsom worthy of no actual concern. The borders of Israel may not be deemed by some Arab states to be "de jure" borders, but that is a huge irrelevancy. Again, those fuckers in Hamas know where to lob their fucking missiles and send their scumbag murderous homicide/suicide camel-suckers. So even if a liar like you can't figure it out, the truth is the rest of the world already well knows where Israel's borders are.

It is no longer the borders that matter. It is the very existence of Israel that so irritates those mindless selfish bloodthirsty savage scumbag goat-fuckers.

You also seem to focus only on old agreements that have been modified over time by a number of factors, including war.

Perhaps you could link to some documents that would show some of these modifications. I am not opposed to updating my knowledge of the conflict.

 

[al Haq]

Gotta love your sources

The source is the IDF - their three different versions are up on YouTube for anyone to see.

Version #1
“Israeli Navy Addresses a Ship in the Flotilla and Offers it to Dock in the Ashdod Port”
released by the IDF on May 31:

[youtube]qKOmLP4yHb4&[/youtube]

This video shows the Israeli soldier speaking into the microphone. You can see that his mouth matches the words being said, and there are no edits within the clip:

IDF soldier: “Mavi Marmara, you are approaching an area of hostility which is under a naval blockade. The Gaza area, coastal region and Gaza harbor are closed to all maritime traffic. The Israeli government supports delivery of humanitarian supplies to the civilian population in the Gaza Strip, and invites you to enter the Ashdod Port. Delivery of the supplies in accordance with the authority’s regulations will be through the formal land crossings and under your observation after which, you can return to your home ports aboard the vessels on which you arrived."

Reply from ship: “Negative, negative. Our destination is Gaza.”

Note the absence of any Auschwitz or 9/11 remarks.

***​

A few days later, caught like a deer in the headlights by the world's overwhelmingly negative reaction to the incident, the IDF's story starts to morph:

Version #2
""Flotilla Ship to Israeli Navy: "We're Helping Arabs Go Against the US, Don't Forget 9/11 Guys" released by the IDF on June 4
[youtube]pxY7Q7CvQPQ[/youtube]

The IDF claimed that this was the transmission recorded from the Mavi Marmara:

IDF Soldier: “This is the Israeli Navy, you are approaching an area which is under a naval blockade”

First male voice: “Shut up. Go back to Auschwitz.”

Huwaida Arraf: “We have permission from the Gaza Port Authority to enter”

Second male voice (with odd Southern accent): “We’re helping Arabs go against the US, don’t forget 9/11 guys”

Note that the video of the IDF soldier from Version #1 has now been replaced with a still photo.

And note that Huwaida Arraf was not even on board the Mavi Marmara - she was on Challenger One. In an interview with Ma’an News, she said that "while she might have spoken of having permission from the Gaza Port Authority on a previous attempt to break the blockade, she is certain that she did not say it on Monday morning. 'When they radioed us, we were still 100 miles away,' she explained."

***​

After internationals begin to point out the obvious discrepancies between the two videos, the IDF releases Version #3:

Version #3
""Unedited Radio Transmission Between Gaza Flotilla and Israeli Navy " released by the IDF on June 5
[youtube]9dE2StbDL_Q[/youtube]

Note that there is now neither video nor still photo - just a title screen.

And note that the IDF has now revised its story even further, retracting its original claim that the source of the audio was the Mavi Marmara. The IDF now claims the audio was recorded from "an open channel" and that "the specific ship or ships" responding to the Israeli Navy "could not be identified."

 

[P F Tinmore]

Gotta love your sources

The source is the IDF - their three different versions are up on YouTube for anyone to see.

Version #1
“Israeli Navy Addresses a Ship in the Flotilla and Offers it to Dock in the Ashdod Port”
released by the IDF on May 31:

[youtube]qKOmLP4yHb4&[/youtube]

This video shows the Israeli soldier speaking into the microphone. You can see that his mouth matches the words being said, and there are no edits within the clip:

IDF soldier: “Mavi Marmara, you are approaching an area of hostility which is under a naval blockade. The Gaza area, coastal region and Gaza harbor are closed to all maritime traffic. The Israeli government supports delivery of humanitarian supplies to the civilian population in the Gaza Strip, and invites you to enter the Ashdod Port. Delivery of the supplies in accordance with the authority’s regulations will be through the formal land crossings and under your observation after which, you can return to your home ports aboard the vessels on which you arrived."

Reply from ship: “Negative, negative. Our destination is Gaza.”

Note the absence of any Auschwitz or 9/11 remarks.

***​

A few days later, caught like a deer in the headlights by the world's overwhelmingly negative reaction to the incident, the IDF's story starts to morph:

Version #2
""Flotilla Ship to Israeli Navy: "We're Helping Arabs Go Against the US, Don't Forget 9/11 Guys" released by the IDF on June 4
[youtube]pxY7Q7CvQPQ[/youtube]

The IDF claimed that this was the transmission recorded from the Mavi Marmara:

IDF Soldier: “This is the Israeli Navy, you are approaching an area which is under a naval blockade”

First male voice: “Shut up. Go back to Auschwitz.”

Huwaida Arraf: “We have permission from the Gaza Port Authority to enter”

Second male voice (with odd Southern accent): “We’re helping Arabs go against the US, don’t forget 9/11 guys”

Note that the video of the IDF soldier from Version #1 has now been replaced with a still photo.

And note that Huwaida Arraf was not even on board the Mavi Marmara - she was on Challenger One. In an interview with Ma’an News, she said that "while she might have spoken of having permission from the Gaza Port Authority on a previous attempt to break the blockade, she is certain that she did not say it on Monday morning. 'When they radioed us, we were still 100 miles away,' she explained."

***​

After internationals begin to point out the obvious discrepancies between the two videos, the IDF releases Version #3:

Version #3
""Unedited Radio Transmission Between Gaza Flotilla and Israeli Navy " released by the IDF on June 5
[youtube]9dE2StbDL_Q[/youtube]

Note that there is now neither video nor still photo - just a title screen.

And note that the IDF has now revised its story even further, retracting its original claim that the source of the audio was the Mavi Marmara. The IDF now claims the audio was recorded from "an open channel" and that "the specific ship or ships" responding to the Israeli Navy "could not be identified."

How many people on this board are stupid enough to believe anything Israel says?

 

[al Haq]

How many people on this board are stupid enough to believe anything Israel says?

Quite a few.

Some will be along shortly to recite some more IDF press releases.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine is the fictional state that borders Israel. So the borders of that fictional state are also Israel's borders (on that side of Palestine, that is).

Sorry reality is such an overwhelming obstacle for you, pinhead.

Perhaps you should read the documents on the 1949 Armistice Agreements. Your statement conflicts with their findings.

Perhaps you should quote and link the relevant parts to formulate a coherent argument, since it appears that you don't understand the things you read. You also seem to focus only on old agreements that have been modified over time by a number of factors, including war.

What you consider a technicality worthy of being trumpeted is therefore actually nothing but historical flotsam and jetsom worthy of no actual concern. The borders of Israel may not be deemed by some Arab states to be "de jure" borders, but that is a huge irrelevancy. Again, those fuckers in Hamas know where to lob their fucking missiles and send their scumbag murderous homicide/suicide camel-suckers. So even if a liar like you can't figure it out, the truth is the rest of the world already well knows where Israel's borders are.

It is no longer the borders that matter. It is the very existence of Israel that so irritates those mindless selfish bloodthirsty savage scumbag goat-fuckers.

It is no longer the borders that matter. It is the very existence of Israel that so irritates those mindless selfish bloodthirsty savage scumbag goat-fuckers

It does matter. Israel has not legally acquired any land that it can place a border around. That is significant.