Gay Relationships and What God Reveals About Them!

[PoliticalTorch]

People worldwide need to know and understand that God Does Not Condemn Gay and Lesbian Individuals. That was never His plan nor His message to mankind. Had He condemned them because He felt that they were such sinners He would have added yet another Commandment to His Ten Commandments declaring it so but He clearly did not. And Jesus Christ said not one word against them either. But some preachers have twisted Scriptures so badly such as to try to convince their gullible followers that God condemns them when, in effect, those Scriptures used for condemnation are speaking to something entirely different. Therefore, those preachers and others are being very disingenuous and dishonest in the face of God who is wanting for them to tell the Truth that there is actually No Condemnation of Gay and Lesbian people. And If God does not condemn them, why should you?

This Biblical expert explains the major misconceptions people have about this issue.

What does God really say about gay relationships?

 

[Chuckt]

Paul chose two words in the New Testament that specify what the Old Testament meant from Leviticus 18.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
1 Corinthians 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

homosexuals, g733 ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs

The word for Homosexuals or “arsenokoitēs” is made up of two words. It is from ἄρρην (G730) and κοίτη (G2845).

G730 – arrēn means “male”. G2845 – koitē means “bed”.

So the term “nor homosexual offenders” means “nor male in bed” and is a reference to Leviticus 18:22.
Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. (NIV)

Links:
BLB - Lev 18: Law of Moses - Leviticus 18 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
BLB - 1Co 6: Paul's Epistle - 1 Corinthians 6 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
Greek Lexicon :: G733 (KJV)
Greek Lexicon :: G730 (KJV)
Greek Lexicon :: G2845 (KJV)

Copyright Information, New International Version (NIV)

THE HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®, NIV®
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society®
Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Hitler, Stalin, Mau, were all heterosexual. They're guilty for the massacres of millions. But ya, it's gays who're the threat.

 

[Chuckt]

Wrath of God defined
Researched by Chuckt

"(1:18) The apostle now speaks of the wrath of God inasmuch as 'the revelation of the righteousness of God (v.17) is needed in view of the revelation of His wrath, from which only God's righteousness (whether it be His justifying sentence or the righteousness He bestows on man) can deliver' (Denney). 'Wrath' is orge. The word is used of God's wrath in Matthew 3:7, Romans 1:17, 12:19, and is defined by Trench as 'a wrath of God who would not love good unless He hated evil, the two being inseparable, that He must do both or neither.' It is used of our Lord when, after healing the man with the withered hand, He observed the hardness of heart of the Pharisees, and looked upon them with anger (Mk. 3:5). Orge is an anger 'which righteous men not merely may, but as they are righteous, must feel; nor can there be a surer and sadder token of an utterly prostrate moral condition than the not being to be angry with sin--and sinners' (Trench). Vincent describes orge as God's personal emotion with regard to sin. It represents God's abhorrence and hatred of sin."1

(There is more of the definition here which supports this translation.)

"Translation: For there is revealed God's wrath from heaven upon every lack of reverence and (every) unrighteousness of men who the truth in unrighteousness are holding down."2

1 Word Studies in the Greek New Testament, Volume 1, Kenneth Wuest, Eerdmans, p. 28-29

2. "The New Testament" (An Expanded Translation) by Kenneth Wuest on Romans 1:18.

I've actually debated people who say that Romans 1 doesn't speak about Homosexuality so I researched the scholars:

What do the scholars have to say about Romans Chapter 1? They all say it is Homosexuality being discussed. Since all of my debaters are without Bible degrees, they are sadly misinformed by those Homosexuals who wish to change what the Bible says because the majority of scholars do support the interpretation that Romans 1 has to do with Homosexuality. My debaters are misinformed..

“b. Abandoned to sexual perversion (1:26-27)
1:26-27. Also God gave them over to shameful lusts (lit., ‘passions of disgrace&#8217. This involved, as the text states, both sexes engaging in homosexual instead of heterosexual relationships. Women deliberately exchanged natural relations (with men in marriage) for unnatural ones (with other women). This is the second ‘exchange’ the unregenerate made (cf. v.25). Men...were inflamed with lust (orexei,’sexual lust,’ used only here in the NT and differing from the more common word for lust in v.26).

The words translated women and men in these verses are the sexual words ‘females’ and ‘males.’ Contemporary homosexuals insist that these verses mean that it is perverse for a heterosexual male or female to engage in homosexual relations but it is not perverse for a homosexual male or female to do so since homosexuality is such a person’s natural preference. This is strained exegesis unsupported by the Bible. The only natural sexual relationship the Bible recognizes is a heterosexual one (Gen. 2:21-24; Matt. 19:4-6) within marriage. All homosexual relations constitute sexual perversion and are subject to God’s judgment. Such lustful and indecent acts have within them the seeds of punishment (due penalty).”-“The Bible Knowledge Commentary” (An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p.444.

“When the Bible declares that homosexual practices are ‘against nature’ (Rom. 1:26), it is referring to biological nature, not sociological nature. First, sex is defined biologically in Scripture from the very beginning. In Genesis 1, God created ‘male and female’ and then told them to ‘be fruitful and increase in number’ (Gen. 1:27-27, NIV). This reproduction was only possible if He was referring to a biological male and female.

“Second, sexual orientation is understood biologically, not sociologically, when God said ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh’ (Gen. 2:24, NIV. For only a biological father and mother can produce children, and the reference to ‘one flesh’ speaks of a physical marriage.

“Thirdly, the Romans passage says that ‘men committed indecent acts with other men.’

This clearly indicates that this sinful act was homosexual in nature (Rom. 1:27, NIV).

“Fourth, what they did was not natural to them. They ‘exchanged’ the ‘natural relations’ for the unnatural ones (Rom. 1:26, NIV). So the homosexual acts were pronounced unnatural for homosexuals too.

“Fifth, homosexual desires are also called ‘shameful lusts’ (v. 26, NIV). So it is evident that God is condemning sexual sins between those of the same biological sex. Homosexual acts are contrary to human nature as such, not just to a homosexual’s sexual orientation.”-“When Critics Ask” by Dr. Norman Geisler, p438-439

“Because they exchanged the real God for false gods, by way of temporary punishment they exchanged natural sexual intercourse for homosexuality. 25. Paul breaks out of the foul atmosphere of vice and idolatry into the fresh air of a doxology. 27. Perversion is their idolatry: Gk. plane (lit. ‘wandering&#8217 is often used in the LXX.”-“The International Bible Commentary”, F.F. Bruce, General Editor, p.1320

“Long before this chapter was penned, the Lesbians and others throughout refined Greece had been luxuriating in such debasements;”-“Commentary On The Whole Bible” by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, p.1142.

“Although today the world seeks to popularize and legitimize homosexuality, nevertheless it is despicable to God and condemned by Him.”-Liberty Bible Commentary, p.345

“Does the Bible really condemn homosexuality? The answer is yes, it does. In every place it mentions any homosexual practice it roundly condemns the practice. In no place does it speak positively on homosexuality.”-“Hard Sayings of the Bible” by Walter C. Kaiser Jr, Peter H. Davids, F.F. Bruce, Manfred T. Brauch, p.545



“What is true historically and theologically is in measure true, however, experientially. The ‘gay’ facade is a thin veil for deep-seated frustration. The folly of homosexuality is proclaimed in its inability to reproduce the human species in keeping with the divine commandment (Ge 1:28). To sum up, what people do with God has much to do with their personal character and lifestyle. Throughout the passage they are represented as actively choosing a religion and a lifestyle; they are not being taken captive against their will.”
-“Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary”, Volume 2: New Testament, p.528-529

“In my book Reasoning Through Romans, I define these sins,...”-“Thru The Bible Commentary”, Romans by Dr. J. Vernon McGeep.42

“I believe our text hints at the latter. In verse 27, Paul writes,’they receive in themselves that recompense of their error’ (verse 27). It could very well be that ‘the recompense of their error’ manifests itself in a chemical that affects the psychology of a person who practices this kind of error.

Homosexuality damages people psychologically. It changes who they are and what they could be. Knowing this, God says,’Stay away from it.’”-p.878, Jon Courson’s Application Commentary

 

[Chuckt]

Hitler, Stalin, Mau, were all heterosexual. They're guilty for the massacres of millions. But ya, it's gays who're the threat.

There have been gay dictators.

Muammar Gaddafi - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Paul chose two words in the New Testament that specify what the Old Testament meant from Leviticus 18.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
1 Corinthians 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

homosexuals, g733 ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs

The word for Homosexuals or “arsenokoitēs” is made up of two words. It is from ἄρρην (G730) and κοίτη (G2845).

G730 – arrēn means “male”. G2845 – koitē means “bed”.

So the term “nor homosexual offenders” means “nor male in bed” and is a reference to Leviticus 18:22.
Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. (NIV)

Links:
BLB - Lev 18: Law of Moses - Leviticus 18 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
BLB - 1Co 6: Paul's Epistle - 1 Corinthians 6 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
Greek Lexicon :: G733 (KJV)
Greek Lexicon :: G730 (KJV)
Greek Lexicon :: G2845 (KJV)

Copyright Information, New International Version (NIV)

THE HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®, NIV®
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society®
Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

You are quite incorrect. Please read from the link provided as these very Scriptures are discussed without error or prejudice by a Biblical scholar.

 

[Chuckt]

Paul chose two words in the New Testament that specify what the Old Testament meant from Leviticus 18.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
1 Corinthians 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

homosexuals, g733 ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs

The word for Homosexuals or “arsenokoitēs” is made up of two words. It is from ἄρρην (G730) and κοίτη (G2845).

G730 – arrēn means “male”. G2845 – koitē means “bed”.

So the term “nor homosexual offenders” means “nor male in bed” and is a reference to Leviticus 18:22.
Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. (NIV)

Links:
BLB - Lev 18: Law of Moses - Leviticus 18 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
BLB - 1Co 6: Paul's Epistle - 1 Corinthians 6 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
Greek Lexicon :: G733 (KJV)
Greek Lexicon :: G730 (KJV)
Greek Lexicon :: G2845 (KJV)

Copyright Information, New International Version (NIV)

THE HOLY BIBLE, NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION®, NIV®
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society®
Used by permission. All rights reserved worldwide.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

You are quite incorrect. Please read from the link provided as these very Scriptures are discussed without error or prejudice by a Biblical scholar.

I'm not a consumer. I'm not someone blind looking for the truth.

Dr. Kenneth Weust was a Greek Professor and one of the translators of the NASB Bible.
So you are incorrect. You are in error. You don't have the truth.

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Wrath of God defined
Researched by Chuckt

"(1:18) The apostle now speaks of the wrath of God inasmuch as 'the revelation of the righteousness of God (v.17) is needed in view of the revelation of His wrath, from which only God's righteousness (whether it be His justifying sentence or the righteousness He bestows on man) can deliver' (Denney). 'Wrath' is orge. The word is used of God's wrath in Matthew 3:7, Romans 1:17, 12:19, and is defined by Trench as 'a wrath of God who would not love good unless He hated evil, the two being inseparable, that He must do both or neither.' It is used of our Lord when, after healing the man with the withered hand, He observed the hardness of heart of the Pharisees, and looked upon them with anger (Mk. 3:5). Orge is an anger 'which righteous men not merely may, but as they are righteous, must feel; nor can there be a surer and sadder token of an utterly prostrate moral condition than the not being to be angry with sin--and sinners' (Trench). Vincent describes orge as God's personal emotion with regard to sin. It represents God's abhorrence and hatred of sin."1

(There is more of the definition here which supports this translation.)

"Translation: For there is revealed God's wrath from heaven upon every lack of reverence and (every) unrighteousness of men who the truth in unrighteousness are holding down."2

1 Word Studies in the Greek New Testament, Volume 1, Kenneth Wuest, Eerdmans, p. 28-29

2. "The New Testament" (An Expanded Translation) by Kenneth Wuest on Romans 1:18.

I've actually debated people who say that Romans 1 doesn't speak about Homosexuality so I researched the scholars:

What do the scholars have to say about Romans Chapter 1? They all say it is Homosexuality being discussed. Since all of my debaters are without Bible degrees, they are sadly misinformed by those Homosexuals who wish to change what the Bible says because the majority of scholars do support the interpretation that Romans 1 has to do with Homosexuality. My debaters are misinformed..

“b. Abandoned to sexual perversion (1:26-27)
1:26-27. Also God gave them over to shameful lusts (lit., ‘passions of disgrace’). This involved, as the text states, both sexes engaging in homosexual instead of heterosexual relationships. Women deliberately exchanged natural relations (with men in marriage) for unnatural ones (with other women). This is the second ‘exchange’ the unregenerate made (cf. v.25). Men...were inflamed with lust (orexei,’sexual lust,’ used only here in the NT and differing from the more common word for lust in v.26).

The words translated women and men in these verses are the sexual words ‘females’ and ‘males.’ Contemporary homosexuals insist that these verses mean that it is perverse for a heterosexual male or female to engage in homosexual relations but it is not perverse for a homosexual male or female to do so since homosexuality is such a person’s natural preference. This is strained exegesis unsupported by the Bible. The only natural sexual relationship the Bible recognizes is a heterosexual one (Gen. 2:21-24; Matt. 19:4-6) within marriage. All homosexual relations constitute sexual perversion and are subject to God’s judgment. Such lustful and indecent acts have within them the seeds of punishment (due penalty).”-“The Bible Knowledge Commentary” (An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p.444.

“When the Bible declares that homosexual practices are ‘against nature’ (Rom. 1:26), it is referring to biological nature, not sociological nature. First, sex is defined biologically in Scripture from the very beginning. In Genesis 1, God created ‘male and female’ and then told them to ‘be fruitful and increase in number’ (Gen. 1:27-27, NIV). This reproduction was only possible if He was referring to a biological male and female.

“Second, sexual orientation is understood biologically, not sociologically, when God said ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh’ (Gen. 2:24, NIV. For only a biological father and mother can produce children, and the reference to ‘one flesh’ speaks of a physical marriage.

“Thirdly, the Romans passage says that ‘men committed indecent acts with other men.’

This clearly indicates that this sinful act was homosexual in nature (Rom. 1:27, NIV).

“Fourth, what they did was not natural to them. They ‘exchanged’ the ‘natural relations’ for the unnatural ones (Rom. 1:26, NIV). So the homosexual acts were pronounced unnatural for homosexuals too.

“Fifth, homosexual desires are also called ‘shameful lusts’ (v. 26, NIV). So it is evident that God is condemning sexual sins between those of the same biological sex. Homosexual acts are contrary to human nature as such, not just to a homosexual’s sexual orientation.”-“When Critics Ask” by Dr. Norman Geisler, p438-439

“Because they exchanged the real God for false gods, by way of temporary punishment they exchanged natural sexual intercourse for homosexuality. 25. Paul breaks out of the foul atmosphere of vice and idolatry into the fresh air of a doxology. 27. Perversion is their idolatry: Gk. plane (lit. ‘wandering’) is often used in the LXX.”-“The International Bible Commentary”, F.F. Bruce, General Editor, p.1320

“Long before this chapter was penned, the Lesbians and others throughout refined Greece had been luxuriating in such debasements;”-“Commentary On The Whole Bible” by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, p.1142.

“Although today the world seeks to popularize and legitimize homosexuality, nevertheless it is despicable to God and condemned by Him.”-Liberty Bible Commentary, p.345

“Does the Bible really condemn homosexuality? The answer is yes, it does. In every place it mentions any homosexual practice it roundly condemns the practice. In no place does it speak positively on homosexuality.”-“Hard Sayings of the Bible” by Walter C. Kaiser Jr, Peter H. Davids, F.F. Bruce, Manfred T. Brauch, p.545



“What is true historically and theologically is in measure true, however, experientially. The ‘gay’ facade is a thin veil for deep-seated frustration. The folly of homosexuality is proclaimed in its inability to reproduce the human species in keeping with the divine commandment (Ge 1:28). To sum up, what people do with God has much to do with their personal character and lifestyle. Throughout the passage they are represented as actively choosing a religion and a lifestyle; they are not being taken captive against their will.”
-“Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary”, Volume 2: New Testament, p.528-529

“In my book Reasoning Through Romans, I define these sins,...”-“Thru The Bible Commentary”, Romans by Dr. J. Vernon McGeep.42

“I believe our text hints at the latter. In verse 27, Paul writes,’they receive in themselves that recompense of their error’ (verse 27). It could very well be that ‘the recompense of their error’ manifests itself in a chemical that affects the psychology of a person who practices this kind of error.

Homosexuality damages people psychologically. It changes who they are and what they could be. Knowing this, God says,’Stay away from it.’”-p.878, Jon Courson’s Application Commentary

You are quite incorrect. Please read from the link provided as these very Scriptures are discussed without error or prejudice by a Biblical scholar. By the way, I have a doctorate in Religious Education. And you are quite in error also in trying to condemn people by saying that "Homosexuality damages people psychologically." Medical and Scientific organizations for decades have revealed just the opposite that you need to embrace and understand. I'm afraid your prejudiced hypothesis cannot withstand scrutiny.

 

[Chuckt]

Wrath of God defined
Researched by Chuckt

"(1:18) The apostle now speaks of the wrath of God inasmuch as 'the revelation of the righteousness of God (v.17) is needed in view of the revelation of His wrath, from which only God's righteousness (whether it be His justifying sentence or the righteousness He bestows on man) can deliver' (Denney). 'Wrath' is orge. The word is used of God's wrath in Matthew 3:7, Romans 1:17, 12:19, and is defined by Trench as 'a wrath of God who would not love good unless He hated evil, the two being inseparable, that He must do both or neither.' It is used of our Lord when, after healing the man with the withered hand, He observed the hardness of heart of the Pharisees, and looked upon them with anger (Mk. 3:5). Orge is an anger 'which righteous men not merely may, but as they are righteous, must feel; nor can there be a surer and sadder token of an utterly prostrate moral condition than the not being to be angry with sin--and sinners' (Trench). Vincent describes orge as God's personal emotion with regard to sin. It represents God's abhorrence and hatred of sin."1

(There is more of the definition here which supports this translation.)

"Translation: For there is revealed God's wrath from heaven upon every lack of reverence and (every) unrighteousness of men who the truth in unrighteousness are holding down."2

1 Word Studies in the Greek New Testament, Volume 1, Kenneth Wuest, Eerdmans, p. 28-29

2. "The New Testament" (An Expanded Translation) by Kenneth Wuest on Romans 1:18.

I've actually debated people who say that Romans 1 doesn't speak about Homosexuality so I researched the scholars:

What do the scholars have to say about Romans Chapter 1? They all say it is Homosexuality being discussed. Since all of my debaters are without Bible degrees, they are sadly misinformed by those Homosexuals who wish to change what the Bible says because the majority of scholars do support the interpretation that Romans 1 has to do with Homosexuality. My debaters are misinformed..

“b. Abandoned to sexual perversion (1:26-27)
1:26-27. Also God gave them over to shameful lusts (lit., ‘passions of disgrace’). This involved, as the text states, both sexes engaging in homosexual instead of heterosexual relationships. Women deliberately exchanged natural relations (with men in marriage) for unnatural ones (with other women). This is the second ‘exchange’ the unregenerate made (cf. v.25). Men...were inflamed with lust (orexei,’sexual lust,’ used only here in the NT and differing from the more common word for lust in v.26).

The words translated women and men in these verses are the sexual words ‘females’ and ‘males.’ Contemporary homosexuals insist that these verses mean that it is perverse for a heterosexual male or female to engage in homosexual relations but it is not perverse for a homosexual male or female to do so since homosexuality is such a person’s natural preference. This is strained exegesis unsupported by the Bible. The only natural sexual relationship the Bible recognizes is a heterosexual one (Gen. 2:21-24; Matt. 19:4-6) within marriage. All homosexual relations constitute sexual perversion and are subject to God’s judgment. Such lustful and indecent acts have within them the seeds of punishment (due penalty).”-“The Bible Knowledge Commentary” (An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty, p.444.

“When the Bible declares that homosexual practices are ‘against nature’ (Rom. 1:26), it is referring to biological nature, not sociological nature. First, sex is defined biologically in Scripture from the very beginning. In Genesis 1, God created ‘male and female’ and then told them to ‘be fruitful and increase in number’ (Gen. 1:27-27, NIV). This reproduction was only possible if He was referring to a biological male and female.

“Second, sexual orientation is understood biologically, not sociologically, when God said ‘for this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh’ (Gen. 2:24, NIV. For only a biological father and mother can produce children, and the reference to ‘one flesh’ speaks of a physical marriage.

“Thirdly, the Romans passage says that ‘men committed indecent acts with other men.’

This clearly indicates that this sinful act was homosexual in nature (Rom. 1:27, NIV).

“Fourth, what they did was not natural to them. They ‘exchanged’ the ‘natural relations’ for the unnatural ones (Rom. 1:26, NIV). So the homosexual acts were pronounced unnatural for homosexuals too.

“Fifth, homosexual desires are also called ‘shameful lusts’ (v. 26, NIV). So it is evident that God is condemning sexual sins between those of the same biological sex. Homosexual acts are contrary to human nature as such, not just to a homosexual’s sexual orientation.”-“When Critics Ask” by Dr. Norman Geisler, p438-439

“Because they exchanged the real God for false gods, by way of temporary punishment they exchanged natural sexual intercourse for homosexuality. 25. Paul breaks out of the foul atmosphere of vice and idolatry into the fresh air of a doxology. 27. Perversion is their idolatry: Gk. plane (lit. ‘wandering’) is often used in the LXX.”-“The International Bible Commentary”, F.F. Bruce, General Editor, p.1320

“Long before this chapter was penned, the Lesbians and others throughout refined Greece had been luxuriating in such debasements;”-“Commentary On The Whole Bible” by Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, p.1142.

“Although today the world seeks to popularize and legitimize homosexuality, nevertheless it is despicable to God and condemned by Him.”-Liberty Bible Commentary, p.345

“Does the Bible really condemn homosexuality? The answer is yes, it does. In every place it mentions any homosexual practice it roundly condemns the practice. In no place does it speak positively on homosexuality.”-“Hard Sayings of the Bible” by Walter C. Kaiser Jr, Peter H. Davids, F.F. Bruce, Manfred T. Brauch, p.545



“What is true historically and theologically is in measure true, however, experientially. The ‘gay’ facade is a thin veil for deep-seated frustration. The folly of homosexuality is proclaimed in its inability to reproduce the human species in keeping with the divine commandment (Ge 1:28). To sum up, what people do with God has much to do with their personal character and lifestyle. Throughout the passage they are represented as actively choosing a religion and a lifestyle; they are not being taken captive against their will.”
-“Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary”, Volume 2: New Testament, p.528-529

“In my book Reasoning Through Romans, I define these sins,...”-“Thru The Bible Commentary”, Romans by Dr. J. Vernon McGeep.42

“I believe our text hints at the latter. In verse 27, Paul writes,’they receive in themselves that recompense of their error’ (verse 27). It could very well be that ‘the recompense of their error’ manifests itself in a chemical that affects the psychology of a person who practices this kind of error.

Homosexuality damages people psychologically. It changes who they are and what they could be. Knowing this, God says,’Stay away from it.’”-p.878, Jon Courson’s Application Commentary

You are quite incorrect. Please read from the link provided as these very Scriptures are discussed without error or prejudice by a Biblical scholar. By the way, I have a doctorate in Religious Education. And you are quite in error also in trying to condemn people by saying that "Homosexuality damages people psychologically." Medical and Scientific organizations for decades have revealed just the opposite that you need to embrace and understand. I'm afraid your prejudiced hypothesis cannot withstand scrutiny.

So?

 

[emilynghiem]

Yes and no, [MENTION=49463]PoliticalTorch[/MENTION]
Two of God's commandments are
* Thou shalt not commit ADULTERY
* Thou shalt not COVET thy neighbor's spouse...nor any thing that belongs to thy neighbor
The Republican platform finally got this right, by replacing reference to "homosexuality" to address "sexual sins" in general that fall under adultery and sexual abuse of all forms,
including rape, incest, molestation etc. and no longer targeting "homosexuality" itself.

Where homosexual people are no different from heterosexual people,
this same spiritual law still applies against ADULTERY (or sex with other than one's committed partner and spiritually intended mate) and against COVETING or "Unnatural Lust/Desire".

Homosexual people are not above others but follow the same standards by which heterosexual people should not commit "sexual sins, abuses or crimes" either. The same sexual abuses and relationship abuses are the problem, not the orientation itself which is spiritual and cannot be legislated by the state, only laws against civil and criminal abuses which apply to all people.

It is not up to people much less the state to judge which people are committing spiritual wrongs. But sexual abuses that are crimes against civil laws should be addressed by due process, before depriving anyone of liberties, there must be a crime established by them in accordance with law.

Jesus said in the Bible if we have Unnatural Lust in our hearts, that is already Adultery in spirit. This applies to all people regardless of orientation or gender, so you are right that homosexual people or partners should not be targeted any more than the rest of the population which are greater in number anyway, and thus greater in sins by quantity alone.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
For all others of us, who are equally imperfect and biased in our judgment, we are instructed to remove the beams from our own eyes before helping others with splinters.
By redressing grievances with one another in Christ Jesus, Matthew 18:15-20, we establish agreement in truth and be made perfect even as our Heavenly Father is perfect.

Perfect love casts out all Fear. What we forgive unto others is forgiven unto us.
The Bible says not to Judge people, but to "Judge Righteous Judgment" or people's rightful perception.

People worldwide need to know and understand that God Does Not Condemn Gay and Lesbian Individuals. That was never His plan nor His message to mankind. Had He condemned them because He felt that they were such sinners He would have added yet another Commandment to His Ten Commandments declaring it so but He clearly did not. And Jesus Christ said not one word against them either. But some preachers have twisted Scriptures so badly such as to try to convince their gullible followers that God condemns them when, in effect, those Scriptures used for condemnation are speaking to something entirely different. Therefore, those preachers and others are being very disingenuous and dishonest in the face of God who is wanting for them to tell the Truth that there is actually No Condemnation of Gay and Lesbian people. And If God does not condemn them, why should you?

This Biblical expert explains the major misconceptions people have about this issue.

What does God really say about gay relationships?

 

[emilynghiem]

Hitler, Stalin, Mau, were all heterosexual. They're guilty for the massacres of millions. But ya, it's gays who're the threat.

Unlike Hitler Stalin and Mau who taught people to hate,
people born homosexual are teaching people how to love.

So that could be the reason so many people are focusing there,
because of the need to learn of unconditional love, forgiveness and healing.

 

[Stephanie]

gag worthy

and remember, they want all of you to STAY OF THEIR LIVES

but they don't have to follow their own demands

 

[PoliticalTorch]

Paul chose two words in the New Testament that specify what the Old Testament meant from Leviticus 18.

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
1 Corinthians 6:10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

homosexuals, g733 ἀρσενοκοίτης arsenokoitēs

The word for Homosexuals or “arsenokoitēs” is made up of two words. It is from ἄρρην (G730) and κοίτη (G2845).

G730 – arrēn means “male”. G2845 – koitē means “bed”.

So the term “nor homosexual offenders” means “nor male in bed” and is a reference to Leviticus 18:22.
Leviticus 18:22 "'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable. (NIV)

Links:
BLB - Lev 18: Law of Moses - Leviticus 18 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
BLB - 1Co 6: Paul's Epistle - 1 Corinthians 6 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
Greek Lexicon :: G733 (KJV)
Greek Lexicon :: G730 (KJV)
Greek Lexicon :: G2845 (KJV)

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Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

You are quite incorrect. Please read from the link provided as these very Scriptures are discussed without error or prejudice by a Biblical scholar.

I'm not a consumer. I'm not someone blind looking for the truth.

Dr. Kenneth Weust was a Greek Professor and one of the translators of the NASB Bible.
So you are incorrect. You are in error. You don't have the truth.

Sir, respectfully, the same can be said for you.

 

[Sunni Man]

There is Zero scientific or medical evidence that people are born homo......just a lot of theories.....but no solid concrete evidence.

Being a homo is a 'choice'......a pathetic choice.......but still a choice. ..

 

[Bloodrock44]

I will believe what the bible actually says over the interpretation of a so called "bible scholar." Man shall not lay with a man as he would a woman. It is an abomination. There is no wiggle room.

 

[emilynghiem]

gag worthy

and remember, they want all of you to STAY OF THEIR LIVES

but they don't have to follow their own demands

Hi [MENTION=1668]Stephanie[/MENTION]
Not if they are not held to the same standards.
If people keep attacking the homosexuality, that is distracting from the
standards against "adultery and coveting" that all people are held to equally.

If they want equal rights, then let's treat them and all others as equals.
And hold them to equal standards, including ourselves.

If these are enforced consistently, they carry the weight and authority of law.
Where we fail is where we "selectively enforce" so those arguments fall apart.

Anything we ask in the spirit of Truth and Equal Justice is done.
So let's ask in that spirit that is all inclusive, applies to all people, including us as equals.
NOT targeting any person or group above or beyond any other. Then we are equal.

Look at the Republican platform, that changed homosexuality to cover ALL sexual abuses and sins.
that's the right approach. and they also added support to defend reparative therapy.
that spiritual level of natural healing applies to all people not just to gay who are only a tiny % of the people helped by spiritual healing.
so that knowledge and process needs to be brought out equally to apply and help all people. Thanks Stephanie!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

There is Zero scientific or medical evidence that people are born homo......just a lot of theories.....but no solid concrete evidence.

Being a homo is a 'choice'......a pathetic choice.......but still a choice. ..

Doesn't matter that some are so ignorant that they believe we choose our sexuality. Its still no one's business.

Doesn't matter what some bible thumpers believe. They're welcome to believe any fiction they want. Its still none of their business.

Doesn't matter that some people, like Sunni "man", are threatened by homosexuality because they are so frikken insecure. Its none of their business what consenting adults do in their sexual lives.

MYOB

 

[emilynghiem]

There is Zero scientific or medical evidence that people are born homo......just a lot of theories.....but no solid concrete evidence.

Being a homo is a 'choice'......a pathetic choice.......but still a choice. ..

Dear Sunni Man: I find people are born to follow certain spiritual paths in life.
So it is no more a choice than my friends who are spiritually Atheist, Christian,
Muslim, Buddhist, or me as a Constitutionalist. We cannot help that we are
spiritually designed with a purpose, and our brains respond and our language
we need to relate to people following that purpose and path in life.

Hypothetically sure it is a choice on the surface what religions we express ourselves with.
But spiritually I know my friends cannot help what we feel believe or how we see and say things using our experiences in life.

This is not genetic but is not a choice we can change unless that change is part of the spiritual path and design. Thanks Sunni I respect your choices too especially those I know you cannot change but are the way you are by spiritual design. Thank you!

 

[ZenBubba]

Hitler, Stalin, Mau, were all heterosexual. They're guilty for the massacres of millions. But ya, it's gays who're the threat.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao weren't obeying Christ.

 

[Chuckt]

I will believe what the bible actually says over the interpretation of a so called "bible scholar." Man shall not lay with a man as he would a woman. It is an abomination. There is no wiggle room.

Amen!