Annie
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Fast food joints are still advertising for people where I'm at.
This ain't no "depression."
We may not agree bottom line, but here, yeah.
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Fast food joints are still advertising for people where I'm at.
This ain't no "depression."
HI there! I am hoping that some of you can shed some light on the situation out here in good old sunny southern California. First off I want to start off by saying that we are in a depression, period end of story.... <SNIP> ....What gives? I am not one to jump on the band wagon but I am seeing it with my very own eyes. I see it coming, like a wave off in the distance…and it is big! Huge even and everyone else is just averting their eyes to it. Why? Why? Why? Why?
HI there! I am hoping that some of you can shed some light on the situation out here in good old sunny southern California. First off I want to start off by saying that we are in a depression, period end of story.... <SNIP> ....What gives? I am not one to jump on the band wagon but I am seeing it with my very own eyes. I see it coming, like a wave off in the distance and it is big! Huge even and everyone else is just averting their eyes to it. Why? Why? Why? Why?
You did not say whether or not you or your husband are out of work, but the state of California is near to being in a depression, and you can expect it to get worse. And when you in California, New York, and New Jersey succeed in convincing the Federal Government that your state(s) should be bailed out you will have exported your depression to the rest of the country in some ways the same as your state exports its GHG's, by failing to recognize what it's doing.
Here's an interesting US map. If you hover your cursor over any county on this map you will find how much in economic stimulus money is being/about to be spent in any county, and in the top right corner of the pane that opens up you will find revealed the population and unemployment rate for that county. Check it out. The Unemployment Rate in California Counties runs in the high teens and even up to 25%. It looks like large parts of California are in a "Depression", just as we were told by the Democrats - and it was true - that some parts of the US were in a recession while others were not.
My concern is that California, New York state, New Jersey and a few other of these like minded states end up needing to be bailed out, thus ending Federalism vs State relationships as we know them.I respectfully disagree with your premise. Ca claims to be in a depression, due to their problems regarding a state. Truth is, the actions of the state may be pushing them populace of the state into depression, but that shouldn't mean the country pulls them out of such.
It's their choice to be the open door of progressive movement, which all the US should acknowledge for better or worse. Do where do we go? US v World?
My concern is that California, New York state, New Jersey and a few other of these like minded states end up needing to be bailed out, thus ending Federalism vs State relationships as we know them.I respectfully disagree with your premise. Ca claims to be in a depression, due to their problems regarding a state. Truth is, the actions of the state may be pushing them populace of the state into depression, but that shouldn't mean the country pulls them out of such.
It's their choice to be the open door of progressive movement, which all the US should acknowledge for better or worse. Do where do we go? US v World?
My concern is that California, New York state, New Jersey and a few other of these like minded states end up needing to be bailed out, thus ending Federalism vs State relationships as we know them.I respectfully disagree with your premise. Ca claims to be in a depression, due to their problems regarding a state. Truth is, the actions of the state may be pushing them populace of the state into depression, but that shouldn't mean the country pulls them out of such.
It's their choice to be the open door of progressive movement, which all the US should acknowledge for better or worse. Do where do we go? US v World?
Your problem is with your premise. The US doesn't own the debt of the states. Thus, CA ownes CA debt. Wrap your arms around it. Feel good? Now the US gov't under President Obama wishes the same wonderful feel good for all Americans, not just Californians. Grab it! Love it, feel it!
at lease we Americans can spell.
But you keep believing the line that we're in a depression. i was out for a cocktail with my lovely wife last night and the bar was packed with people drinking $10 margaritas and $5 pints and there was an hour wait for a table.
If we were all as bad off as you say wouldn't people be staying home and drinking Pabst at $12 a case?
Doesn't that depend on your class and income?
Perhaps you ought to check out a bar where if you ordered a margarita the bartender would laugh in your face.
I suspect you'd find a slightly different reality there.
You mean those bars in Maine that serve both kinds of beer
Bud AND Bud light?
and FYI i am as blue collar as it gets. My favorite bars are biker bars
I can't say this is a depression. My business is pulling in on average better than 20% more than last year.
And if this really was a depression would new i phones be back ordered for a month?
I have not ignored the dynamics of the Labor Force. I have addressed those issues in numerous other posts that I know you have read. The fact remains that the horribly corrupt Obama Administration is trying to get people to believe that of 2.8 Million Americans who file for Unemployment Compensation each month, 2.1 Million of them find jobs right away. Then his stooges create numbers out of thin air to downsize the remaining 700,000 unemployed to only 345,000.
Coming back to this, because I realized how to demonstrate the idiocy of this claim better. If you look at Table A-9 of the Employment Situation, it breaks down the 14,511,000 Unemployed by duration of Unemployment. For May, 3,274,000 had been unemployed for less than 5 weeks. Kind of disproves your claim that anybody is trying to get you to believe that 2.1 million found jobs right away. Note that this 3.274 million is higher than the UI claims would indicate, because not all the newly unemployed had jobs before and of those that did not all were eligible for UI or just hadn't claimed yet.
Doesn't that depend on your class and income?
Perhaps you ought to check out a bar where if you ordered a margarita the bartender would laugh in your face.
I suspect you'd find a slightly different reality there.
You mean those bars in Maine that serve both kinds of beer
Bud AND Bud light?
and FYI i am as blue collar as it gets. My favorite bars are biker bars
ACtually the area of Maine I'm in doesn't really have much a a bar-culture.
Hereabouts the drinkers are most jerrysneaks who sit and home drinking Allens coffeebrady and milk.
But yeah, those were the bars I was talking about.
Working people's bars.
If you think that the economy is sound try looking at the help wanted ads in practically any city in America.
Pretty thin pickings there, folks.
ACtually the area of Maine I'm in doesn't really have much a a bar-culture.
Hereabouts the drinkers are most jerrysneaks who sit and home drinking Allens coffeebrady and milk.
Yes, I am looking for an argumentYou keep on lookin' for an argument in the manner in which you post. Lighten up!
I know I've explained the different numbers and where they come from and why they don't match before, but you keep ignoring it.
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That's an assertion. Now make an argument. In what way is what I write nonsense? What in particular are you objecting to?When what you write is total nonsense,
Yes you have, but you ignore that they measure different things and continue to claim that if there are 2.5 million UI claims in a month, then its nonsense that payroll employent only went down 345,000 and Unemployment went up 787,000. I've explained and explained, but you refuse to see how they shouldn't match up like that because neither while UI does show the number of people who lost their jobs (and file for UI), the -345,000 and the +787,000 are NOT the number of people who lost their jobs.I have mentioned that they are three different reports. I have stated that on numerous occasions.
Point out my lies. What have I said that is factually incorrect? If you actually looked at the numbers, and understood them, you'd see that they all do roughly match up (discrepencies are inevitable given different samples, time periods, etc)The fact remains that they are totally bogus in the congregate. Lie after lie after lie, just like your posts.
It includes them. Table A-9 shows the number of people newly unemployed in the previous 5 weeks. Unemployed by industry is included. Employment by industry is included. JOLTS lists hires and seperations by industry.The monthly unemployment report is not the people laid off in factories.
And yet your attempts to show how they are fiction depend on completely misinterpreting what they are supposed to represent. And it's been the same methodology for many years...Obama has made no changes to how anything is calculated...he doesn't have that authority anyway.It is a total fiction that in this administration has become totally laughable.
ACtually the area of Maine I'm in doesn't really have much a a bar-culture.
Hereabouts the drinkers are most jerrysneaks who sit and home drinking Allens coffeebrady and milk.
When I have a patient (usually female) who tells me that they drink coffee brandy, I know that they are a pretty severe alcoholic.
YOU have to be the world's biggest fuggin pretend idiot. I keep on tellin you that the Government numbers are totally bogus and you keep on pointing back to the numbers as if they are GOD Almighty.I have not ignored the dynamics of the Labor Force. I have addressed those issues in numerous other posts that I know you have read. The fact remains that the horribly corrupt Obama Administration is trying to get people to believe that of 2.8 Million Americans who file for Unemployment Compensation each month, 2.1 Million of them find jobs right away. Then his stooges create numbers out of thin air to downsize the remaining 700,000 unemployed to only 345,000.
Coming back to this, because I realized how to demonstrate the idiocy of this claim better. If you look at Table A-9 of the Employment Situation, it breaks down the 14,511,000 Unemployed by duration of Unemployment. For May, 3,274,000 had been unemployed for less than 5 weeks. Kind of disproves your claim that anybody is trying to get you to believe that 2.1 million found jobs right away. Note that this 3.274 million is higher than the UI claims would indicate, because not all the newly unemployed had jobs before and of those that did not all were eligible for UI or just hadn't claimed yet.
Listen, When the Unemployment Claims add up to almost 3 million in a month and the DOL is saying that only 600,000 were added to the unemployment rolls, you know that Federal Data is a crock of shit.
I have listed how they tabulate the data by supposedly taking a survey. I can believe they take a sham survey, but the numbers they end up with are total fantasy. They add numbers in and subtract numbers that they do not want, like their death/birth index, and their index of "jobs they do not know about" and so on. When they get done, the number they have arrived at is just a political ploy number.
Now, you may want to believe or pretend to believe the numbers they broadcast and WILL broadcast this Thursday since Friday is a holiday, but I am not that delusional.
The states report the number who have filed, and those numbers tell me we are in a Depression. That is all I need to see. The two government surveys are totally bogus.