From Good to Bad to Worse

[bucs90]

The Dem Apology Party tends to forget that they have controlled the pocketbook for over 3 years.

A pocketbook, in the hands of a liberal, should be considered a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

 

[GilbertArizona]

Just an observation

Since the Democratic Party took over the Congress and Obama became President things in this country have gone from good to an accelerating pace downhill.

Now .. granted, this is an obvious observation that no one can dispute...

But.. If some rose colored, glasses wearing loyal Democrat would like to convince me otherwise... I'm interested...

My obvious observation is that if things were "good" under the Republicans, the Democrats surely would not have taken over anything.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Just an observation

Since the Democratic Party took over the Congress and Obama became President things in this country have gone from good to an accelerating pace downhill.

Now .. granted, this is an obvious observation that no one can dispute...

But.. If some rose colored, glasses wearing loyal Democrat would like to convince me otherwise... I'm interested...

My obvious observation is that if things were "good" under the Republicans, the Democrats surely would not have taken over anything.

My Observation is that they took over simply because people were tired of Bush and the Dem propaganda machine is better than the Reps.

 

[Foxfyre]

Just an observation

Since the Democratic Party took over the Congress and Obama became President things in this country have gone from good to an accelerating pace downhill.

Now .. granted, this is an obvious observation that no one can dispute...

But.. If some rose colored, glasses wearing loyal Democrat would like to convince me otherwise... I'm interested...

My obvious observation is that if things were "good" under the Republicans, the Democrats surely would not have taken over anything.

Yep. But if those conservatives who sat on their hands and didn't vote or who voted out the more electable incumbants in the primaries had known the Democrats would be sooooo much more irresponsible than the irresponsible Republicans, they might have reconsidered that strategy. Remember that President Obama and the Dem leaders were talking a much different game as candidates than they are living as elected officials.

The Democrats and lefties who hated George W. Bush wouldn't have voted for him in any case. It was the conservative Independent and GOP base that bailed and that, along with the kool-ade fueled Obamamania in the 2008 election was enough to give the Dems substantial majorities in both houses.

So tell me. Is that really working out good for you?

 

[Lumpy 1]

Just an observation

Since the Democratic Party took over the Congress and Obama became President things in this country have gone from good to an accelerating pace downhill.

Now .. granted, this is an obvious observation that no one can dispute...

But.. If some rose colored, glasses wearing loyal Democrat would like to convince me otherwise... I'm interested...

My obvious observation is that if things were "good" under the Republicans, the Democrats surely would not have taken over anything.

Yep. But if those conservatives who sat on their hands and didn't vote or who voted out the more electable incumbants in the primaries had known the Democrats would be sooooo much more irresponsible than the irresponsible Republicans, they might have reconsidered that strategy. Remember that President Obama and the Dem leaders were talking a much different game as candidates than they are living as elected officials.

The Democrats and lefties who hated George W. Bush wouldn't have voted for him in any case. It was the conservative Independent and GOP base that bailed and that, along with the kool-ade fueled Obamamania in the 2008 election was enough to give the Dems substantial majorities in both houses.

So tell me. Is that really working out good for you?

And as the silence is broken only by crickets off in the distance, our Fair Maiden, a foxy one indeed, waits patiently for a response.. will it come.. doubtful...

 

[GilbertArizona]

So tell me. Is that really working out good for you?

I didn't vote for Obama and I'm giving him as much a chance as I give anybody who takes the job. He hasn't really pissed me off yet but I'm sure that will come. With Clinton it came with Waco. For Bush it was the War in Iraq, which was the one thing that kept me from voting for McCain. I would have voted for Ron Paul if I could have.

Is it working for me? I don't think it is working for anybody. But when I weigh a war I was against versus socialistic policies, I figure at least policies can be changed. Ever since '03 with the start of the Iraq War and '04 when we had so-called conservatives saying that "deficits didn't matter", I have figured the American Century is over. '03 & '04 reminded me so much of the 1970's, it surprises me how anybody views the resulting inflation that saw $4.00 a gallon gasoline and grocery and housing prices going through the roof as "good"? But then again, I saw the 70's as a train wreck and saw a repeat coming ever since '04.

 

[Foxfyre]

So tell me. Is that really working out good for you?

I didn't vote for Obama and I'm giving him as much a chance as I give anybody who takes the job. He hasn't really pissed me off yet but I'm sure that will come. With Clinton it came with Waco. For Bush it was the War in Iraq, which was the one thing that kept me from voting for McCain. I would have voted for Ron Paul if I could have.

Is it working for me? I don't think it is working for anybody. But when I weigh a war I was against versus socialistic policies, I figure at least policies can be changed. Ever since '03 with the start of the Iraq War and '04 when we had so-called conservatives saying that "deficits didn't matter", I have figured the American Century is over. '03 & '04 reminded me so much of the 1970's, it surprises me how anybody views the resulting inflation that saw $4.00 a gallon gasoline and grocery and housing prices going through the roof as "good"? But then again, I saw the 70's as a train wreck and saw a repeat coming ever since '04.

You blame President Bush for a war that was voted on a bipartisan basis with a large percentage of the Congress supporting it? And I ran a business during the Carter years and also during the Bush years. There was no comparison between the two at ANY time despite Bush inheriting a developing no doubt mild recession when he took office and then dealing with 9/11 and the sudden deep recession in the aftermath of that. We pulled out of that quite nicely however and President Bush, despite his many failings, does deserve credit for policies that accomplished that.

And you are still using that stupid Cheney line taken out of context "Deficits don't matter" as if he actually said that as the leftists present it? When he said it he was in a media interview and commented that Reagan proved that deficits don't matter so far as political consequences are concerned. Did he EVER say that deficits don't matter so far as the economy is concerned? No he has not. In an interview with Fortune Magazine he was asked point blank about that: "So do they? "They do," Cheney answers with his trademark terseness. "The [deficit] conversation, as I recall, was in a political context. But deficits, if you're going to look at deficits - and you should - you've got to evaluate them relative to other priorities. Another priority, for example, would be defending the nation in wartime. And you need to look at deficits relative to the total size of the economy, which oftentimes we don't do."

Cheney was probably the smartest guy on economics that we've ever had in a position as high as Vice President. And if it had been him calling all the shots instead of President Bush, it probably would have gone some better. Neither never in a million years envisioned the reckless and unprecedented trillions of dollars of deficits that the Obama administration has embraced.

So President Obama hasn't pissed you off yet? In light of your other comments, that's rather amazing.

 

[Samson]

If only St.Sarah had gotten elected . . .

Having the choice between the corrupt and inept, and simply the inept wasn't easy in 2008.

Being a 21st century voter ain't gettin' any easier.

 

[Foxfyre]

If only St.Sarah had gotten elected . . .

Having the choice between the corrupt and inept, and simply the inept wasn't easy in 2008.

Being a 21st century voter ain't gettin' any easier.

It matters HOW a person is corrupt. If competent and just self serving, probably competent is better than inept in hard times.

But if a person is corrupt in ways intended to damage the economy and dismantle the fibers that have made this a great country, I'll go with inept.

From what I've seen so far though we may have a case of both incompetent AND inept on our hands now.

Edit: PLUS corrupt.

 

[Samson]

If only St.Sarah had gotten elected . . .

Having the choice between the corrupt and inept, and simply the inept wasn't easy in 2008.

Being a 21st century voter ain't gettin' any easier.

It matters HOW a person is corrupt. If competent and just self serving, probably competent is better than inept in hard times.

But if a person is corrupt in ways intended to damage the economy and dismantle the fibers that have made this a great country, I'll go with inept.

From what I've seen so far though we may have a case of both incompetent AND inept on our hands now.

Did anyone REALLY expect Obama to be competent?

Seriously....I think not.

What the expected was "Hope" and "Change," and that's exactly what they got (well, the Hope is fading a little, but the Jury's still out). He never claimed to be Competent

 

[GilbertArizona]

You blame President Bush for a war that was voted on a bipartisan basis with a large percentage of the Congress supporting it?

Yes, you can refer to snopes.com: Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq in regards to his actions before Congress. But what turned me against Bush was really the night he went on television to lay out his case against Saddam Hussein. I recall the Cuban missile crisis and was expecting Bush to offer some convincing evidence because in the prior weeks there had been some alarms about weapons of mass destruction but within days of their annoucement the alarms had been discredited. I came away thinking the administration had no more clue than what had been previously displayed.

And you are still using that stupid Cheney line taken out of context "Deficits don't matter" as if he actually said that as the leftists present it?

Well yes-and-no. Yes, obviously I used it. No, I wasn't using it to refer to anything Cheney said. I was referring to articles by economists I saw published at the time which were being parrotted by Republicans friends of mine. Mike down at the office is one of those. I kidded him about after he attended the '09 Tea Party.

 

[Foxfyre]

You blame President Bush for a war that was voted on a bipartisan basis with a large percentage of the Congress supporting it?

Yes, you can refer to snopes.com: Yellowcake Uranium Removed from Iraq in regards to his actions before Congress. But what turned me against Bush was really the night he went on television to lay out his case against Saddam Hussein. I recall the Cuban missile crisis and was expecting Bush to offer some convincing evidence because in the prior weeks there had been some alarms about weapons of mass destruction but within days of their annoucement the alarms had been discredited. I came away thinking the administration had no more clue than what had been previously displayed.

Oh baloney. If you want to believe that we went to war over some yellow cake, you can believe it. But the facts are far different. All through the Clinton administration the Democrats were petitioning Clinton to do something about Saddam Hussein. And then they were pushing Bush. Some Republicans too but mostly Democrats at the time. Essentially EVERY member of Congress, EVERY member of the Clinton Administration, EVERY member of the Bush Administration, every person in the CIA and Defense Depts., almost EVERY head of state in the free world, EVERY member of the UN Security Council as well as other members of the UN including the inspectors as well as EVERY neighboring country around Iraq believed Saddam had WMD. Several members of Congress had access to all the intelligence that was guiding the Administration. It was not done hasily, recklessly, without due process, and without intense deliberation. A majority of Americans supported the effort in the beginning at least until war weariness began to set in years later.

We can debate until the cows come home whether invading Iraq was the thing to do. But given that everybody believed Saddam had the WMD and would use them, the alternative was more long years of sanctions and patrols while the Iraqi people, at least some 50,000 of them including mostly children, died of malnutrition and lack of medical supplies while Saddam used the Food for Oil money to build palaces, live it up, and bribe cronies around the world.

So let's don't misplace the blame here. There are an awful lot of people to share it.

And you are still using that stupid Cheney line taken out of context "Deficits don't matter" as if he actually said that as the leftists present it?

Well yes-and-no. Yes, obviously I used it. No, I wasn't using it to refer to anything Cheney said. I was referring to articles by economists I saw published at the time which were being parrotted by Republicans friends of mine. Mike down at the office is one of those. I kidded him about after he attended the '09 Tea Party.

I have NEVER heard a Republican say that deficits don't matter where the economy is concerned. But to keep perpetuating the lie that Cheney said it does tend to make one look misinformed if not mean spirited. But I accept your explanation.

 

[rdean]

Wow, an entire thread of "White Wing" delusions. Who would have thunk it.

I especially like the part about "yellowcake".

The "White Wing" is such a mass of contradictions. For one, so few are scientists. They insist scientists have no "common sense" or they feel eduction is "elitist" and those people use "big words" which make them "hard to understand".

And they don't believe in science anyway. Evolution, Global Warming, vaccination. The list goes on. And yet they are terrified that religious nutbags like Iran are developing nuclear weapons. I suspect the likelihood of Iran developing nuclear weapons is about as likely as our own White Wing religious nutbags developing nuclear weapons. More likely, they buy one from another country who has unsecured weapons, like Russia.

Nuclear material has to be something like 90 to 99% pure. I think hospital grade material for x rays is like 10% and for nuclear reactors - 20%. The last I heard was that Iran, with 8,000 centrifuges was able to get it up to 4%.

And it's not enough to just have "weapons grade" material. You need to make it have a "chain reaction".

And you notice China and Russia have shown almost no concern? Why is that? It's not like Iran is far away. Russia has fought with Muslims for years and no one can say China is a great friend to Muslims. Yet, they don't seem properly "terrified" of Iran.

After Iraq and gays threatening marriage and Obama is a "socialist/terrorist/fascist, I find I don't really believe anything the White Wing has to say. After all, what are they "experts" on? Besides scaring America and lying? What are they good at? The economy? Education? Science? Drill baby drill?

Oh, I know, they "pray". That works.

 

[Lumpy 1]

My obvious observation is that if things were "good" under the Republicans, the Democrats surely would not have taken over anything.

Yep. But if those conservatives who sat on their hands and didn't vote or who voted out the more electable incumbants in the primaries had known the Democrats would be sooooo much more irresponsible than the irresponsible Republicans, they might have reconsidered that strategy. Remember that President Obama and the Dem leaders were talking a much different game as candidates than they are living as elected officials.

The Democrats and lefties who hated George W. Bush wouldn't have voted for him in any case. It was the conservative Independent and GOP base that bailed and that, along with the kool-ade fueled Obamamania in the 2008 election was enough to give the Dems substantial majorities in both houses.

So tell me. Is that really working out good for you?

And as the silence is broken only by crickets off in the distance, our Fair Maiden, a foxy one indeed, waits patiently for a response.. will it come.. doubtful...

.. well.. not the first time I've been wrong

 

[Foxfyre]

Yep. But if those conservatives who sat on their hands and didn't vote or who voted out the more electable incumbants in the primaries had known the Democrats would be sooooo much more irresponsible than the irresponsible Republicans, they might have reconsidered that strategy. Remember that President Obama and the Dem leaders were talking a much different game as candidates than they are living as elected officials.

The Democrats and lefties who hated George W. Bush wouldn't have voted for him in any case. It was the conservative Independent and GOP base that bailed and that, along with the kool-ade fueled Obamamania in the 2008 election was enough to give the Dems substantial majorities in both houses.

So tell me. Is that really working out good for you?

And as the silence is broken only by crickets off in the distance, our Fair Maiden, a foxy one indeed, waits patiently for a response.. will it come.. doubtful...

.. well.. not the first I've been wrong

It's okay. I seem to bring out the worst in some and it takes them awhile to come up with something really good to get me with.

 

[Flopper]

Just an observation

Since the Democratic Party took over the Congress and Obama became President things in this country have gone from good to an accelerating pace downhill.

Now .. granted, this is an obvious observation that no one can dispute...

But.. If some rose colored, glasses wearing loyal Democrat would like to convince me otherwise... I'm interested...

When Obama took office the stock market was at a 15 year low. The unemployment rate had been going up for 6 mos. and most economist expected it would reach 10% within a year. Retail sails were in the toilet. The Bush administration left him with largest budget deficit in actual dollars of any president. The banking criss was the worst the country had seen since the Great Depression.

Now, GDP is rising, consumer spending is the highest it has been since 2007 and unemployment is falling. The CBO estimates that the current 1.5 trillion dollar deficit will decrease by half by 2014.

I don't see any figures that support your statements.

Bush Leaving Next President Record Federal Budget Deficit
Congressional Budget Office - Home Page

 

[Lumpy 1]

Just an observation

Since the Democratic Party took over the Congress and Obama became President things in this country have gone from good to an accelerating pace downhill.

Now .. granted, this is an obvious observation that no one can dispute...

But.. If some rose colored, glasses wearing loyal Democrat would like to convince me otherwise... I'm interested...

When Obama took office the stock market was at a 15 year low. The unemployment rate had been going up for 6 mos. and most economist expected it would reach 10% within a year. Retail sails were in the toilet. The Bush administration left him with largest budget deficit in actual dollars of any president. The banking criss was the worst the country had seen since the Great Depression.

Now, GDP is rising, consumer spending is the highest it has been since 2007 and unemployment is falling. The CBO estimates that the current 1.5 trillion dollar deficit will decrease by half by 2014.

I don't see any figures that support your statements.

Bush Leaving Next President Record Federal Budget Deficit
Congressional Budget Office - Home Page

Yawn.. first line...."Since the Democratic Party took over the Congress...."
hint...(Purse strings)..2007..(good)..2009..(bad)..now..(worse)

 

[SFC Ollie]

Just an observation

Since the Democratic Party took over the Congress and Obama became President things in this country have gone from good to an accelerating pace downhill.

Now .. granted, this is an obvious observation that no one can dispute...

But.. If some rose colored, glasses wearing loyal Democrat would like to convince me otherwise... I'm interested...

When Obama took office the stock market was at a 15 year low. The unemployment rate had been going up for 6 mos. and most economist expected it would reach 10% within a year. Retail sails were in the toilet. The Bush administration left him with largest budget deficit in actual dollars of any president. The banking criss was the worst the country had seen since the Great Depression.

Now, GDP is rising, consumer spending is the highest it has been since 2007 and unemployment is falling. The CBO estimates that the current 1.5 trillion dollar deficit will decrease by half by 2014.

I don't see any figures that support your statements.

Bush Leaving Next President Record Federal Budget Deficit
Congressional Budget Office - Home Page

Notice what they predict for after 2014? It's right back up there by 2020. And this is only the budget. Our Government hasn't stayed within the budget in decades. this Administration is spending way too much money we don't have. As did Bush. Only now it looks like a race to see how fast it can be spent.

 

[Foxfyre]

Just an observation

Since the Democratic Party took over the Congress and Obama became President things in this country have gone from good to an accelerating pace downhill.

Now .. granted, this is an obvious observation that no one can dispute...

But.. If some rose colored, glasses wearing loyal Democrat would like to convince me otherwise... I'm interested...

When Obama took office the stock market was at a 15 year low. The unemployment rate had been going up for 6 mos. and most economist expected it would reach 10% within a year. Retail sails were in the toilet. The Bush administration left him with largest budget deficit in actual dollars of any president. The banking criss was the worst the country had seen since the Great Depression.

Now, GDP is rising, consumer spending is the highest it has been since 2007 and unemployment is falling. The CBO estimates that the current 1.5 trillion dollar deficit will decrease by half by 2014.

I don't see any figures that support your statements.

Bush Leaving Next President Record Federal Budget Deficit
Congressional Budget Office - Home Page

Notice what they predict for after 2014? It's right back up there by 2020. And this is only the budget. Our Government hasn't stayed within the budget in decades. this Administration is spending way too much money we don't have. As did Bush. Only now it looks like a race to see how fast it can be spent.

Not only how fast it can be spent but how much can be spent and pledged to be spent. So far the Obama Administration is winning hands down.

 

[boedicca]

Budget? What Budget?

Congress hasn't even reviewed a draft yet.