Free Will, Divine Foreknowledge, and Newcomb's Paradox

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    One of the best things I've ever read regarding the dilemma of free will vs. predestination.

    http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/000971.html

    Click the link for more...
     
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    interesting............however....the therory does not address the choice not to choose and it does not address those that place no value on wealth
     
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    if you belive in free will...it is possible that you are only being presented with those choices which you are destined to choose from and that those paths and thier subsequant paths are set as it is known which one you would choose

    if you belive in destiny....it is possible that you are only being presented with those choices which you are destined to choose from and that those paths and thier subsequant paths are set as it is known which one you would choose

    either way the results are the same

    how about this one.......... can you actually see the sun set?
     
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    Of course we have free will, why else would we be here.

    I guess if your belief system includes God, and then you believe further that God is actively involved, and a determining factor in your daily routines, you may be able to pass the buck. But then I have to question the process of prayer. Why bother????
     
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    I believe in both...........Free will is given always, divine will is given when asked for it.
     
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    Very true... but then again, it was an example. I would assume that one would be free to walk away, but it was not discussed because the dilemma was around the contents of box 2. If one walks away from it all then there's no dilemma.
     
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    Actually, you described only the possibilty for predetermination. You left out the possibility that you are presented with a range of choices and that you are free to choose whatever you'd like.

    And I cannot watch the sun set... but that's just because I have a forest blocking my view of the horizon! :D
     
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    Didn't mean to be confusing. I certainly believe in free will. But free will strengthens my belief in prayer. One may choose to pray, or to not pray, to ask God to intervene in a certain way. But if one believes in predestination, then you are right, why bother praying?
     
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    if you are presented with a range of choces and are free to choose from that range is it not possible that the range you are presented with is predetermined and that you choice is known beforehand by the supreem being that placed the choices in front of you in the first place knowing which one you picked?

    and you can not see the sun set because it has set by the time the light reaches your eys for you to see it
     
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    Again, the freedom to pick between a predetermined range of choices is predetermination. I submit that there is no such range of possible options, save for the laws of science (i.e. I can't choose to fly because I am not physically able to).
     

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