Free Market Health Care

[Mac1958]

Many people here are against government involvement in a wide range of areas, particularly health care. These are generally the people who will also say that government involvement in extra-Constitutional matters is a sign of socialism, communism, Marxism.

Okay.

So rather than toss around generalities on health care, let's get specific. The following health care-related programs are based on varying degrees of government involvement/funding, so they would need to go in your scenario.

Please indicate what free market health care would look like for the constituents, and the benefits to America overall:

• Medicaid
• Medicare
• VA
• ACA

Thanks!
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[Arianrhod]

I suspect this thread will languish unanswered for a long time, because they have no practical answers, just:

 

[Mac1958]

I suspect this thread will languish unanswered for a long time, because they have no practical answers, just:

Not much luck so far.
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[Arianrhod]

I suspect this thread will languish unanswered for a long time, because they have no practical answers, just:

Not much luck so far.
.

I'll stop by every so often to bump it if they all run away.

 

[Arianrhod]

Wow, 15 hours and not a nibble.

I at least expected their favorite "free stuff" speech, if not reference to a "Ponzi scheme." A quote from Atlas Shrugged?

They're not only ignorant, they're lazy.

Which makes me wonder if they're all 12 years old or if they really don't believe or understand the crap they spout.

 

[Vandalshandle]

There is, and there has never been, free market health insurance.

 

[Rotagilla]

name one govt run program that isn't a bloated, mismanaged, intransient, rapacious abuser of tax dollars...

 

[Arianrhod]

name one govt run program that isn't a bloated, mismanaged, intransient, rapacious abuser of tax dollars...

Present your data.

Then answer the question in the OP.

 

[Arianrhod]

Not one of them will even try to answer this. Amazing...

 

[threegoofs]

Not one of them will even try to answer this. Amazing...

It's because it can't exist, not in any form anyone would be happy with.

The people who spout out generalities like 'the government needs to get out of health care' have little knowledge or foresight beyond sentences like that.

These are the kind of people who give us things like the Tea Party, where they protest like this:

 

[Vandalshandle]

Not one of them will even try to answer this. Amazing...

It's because it can't exist, not in any form anyone would be happy with.

The people who spout out generalities like 'the government needs to get out of health care' have little knowledge or foresight beyond sentences like that.

These are the kind of people who give us things like the Tea Party, where they protest like this:

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These kind of people get all their information off of bumper stickers.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Interesting thread.

What describes "free market" health care ?

That would be a good place to start.

 

[MisterBeale]

Latest viral video on Obama Care. . . .

Florida woman sees Governor Rick Scott in a Starbucks and offers him a piece of her mind: “You’re an asshole! You don’t care about working people”
Florida woman sees Governor Rick Scott in a Starbucks and offers him a piece of her mind: “You’re an asshole! You don’t care about working people”

 

[longknife]

Free Market Healthcare ended in the era of pre-WWII

Hospital and medical expense policies were introduced during the first half of the 20th century. During the 1920s, individual hospitals began offering services to individuals on a pre-paid basis, eventually leading to the development of Blue Cross organizations in the 1930s.[23] The first employer-sponsored hospitalization plan was created by teachers in Dallas, Texas in 1929.[24] Because the plan only covered members' expenses at a single hospital, it is also the forerunner of today's health maintenance organizations (HMOs).[24][25][26]

Then came the big one -- Kaiser Permanente. Learn about it @ Kaiser Permanente - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That opened the door to union programs, followed by government programs.

There IS a simple solution to the problem of getting people enrolled in affordable health insurance policies - competition across state borders!

But, to do that, we face the 10th Amendment of the Constitution, taking away states' rights.

Thoughts?

 

[Arianrhod]

^Cross-border purchasing would make sense; therefore it won't happen.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Many people here are against government involvement in a wide range of areas, particularly health care. These are generally the people who will also say that government involvement in extra-Constitutional matters is a sign of socialism, communism, Marxism.

Okay.

So rather than toss around generalities on health care, let's get specific. The following health care-related programs are based on varying degrees of government involvement/funding, so they would need to go in your scenario.

Please indicate what free market health care would look like for the constituents, and the benefits to America overall:

• Medicaid
• Medicare
• VA
• ACA

Thanks!
.

Those are all federally based healthcare programs. They are all clumsy and cumbersome because they are run by a clumsy and cumbersome federal government. You want some sort of government run healthcare system? Fine, let the states set up their own as they see fit. Then, if and when it fails it doesn't necessarily break the entire healthcare system. Proponents of single payer like to ballyhoo the Canadian or Swedish or whatever the system du jour is, but they never recognize the sheer numbers those systems serve. Canada is about 1/10 the population of the US, Sweden about 1/30. Smaller systems, serving fewer people, and thus more easily administered.

 

[Arianrhod]

Many people here are against government involvement in a wide range of areas, particularly health care. These are generally the people who will also say that government involvement in extra-Constitutional matters is a sign of socialism, communism, Marxism.

Okay.

So rather than toss around generalities on health care, let's get specific. The following health care-related programs are based on varying degrees of government involvement/funding, so they would need to go in your scenario.

Please indicate what free market health care would look like for the constituents, and the benefits to America overall:

• Medicaid
• Medicare
• VA
• ACA

Thanks!
.

Those are all federally based healthcare programs. They are all clumsy and cumbersome because they are run by a clumsy and cumbersome federal government. You want some sort of government run healthcare system? Fine, let the states set up their own as they see fit. Then, if and when it fails it doesn't necessarily break the entire healthcare system. Proponents of single payer like to ballyhoo the Canadian or Swedish or whatever the system du jour is, but they never recognize the sheer numbers those systems serve. Canada is about 1/10 the population of the US, Sweden about 1/30. Smaller systems, serving fewer people, and thus more easily administered.

Sounds like an excellent idea. Too bad in the decades following WWII none of the states were able to even come up with a prototype.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Latest viral video on Obama Care. . . .

Florida woman sees Governor Rick Scott in a Starbucks and offers him a piece of her mind: “You’re an asshole! You don’t care about working people”
Florida woman sees Governor Rick Scott in a Starbucks and offers him a piece of her mind: “You’re an asshole! You don’t care about working people”

Who really cares what she thinks.

What I if I screamed she was an asshole for swearing in front of others.....

She seems pretty selfish to me and she is the one who really does not care about others.

Who wants to listen to her foul mouth ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Many people here are against government involvement in a wide range of areas, particularly health care. These are generally the people who will also say that government involvement in extra-Constitutional matters is a sign of socialism, communism, Marxism.

Okay.

So rather than toss around generalities on health care, let's get specific. The following health care-related programs are based on varying degrees of government involvement/funding, so they would need to go in your scenario.

Please indicate what free market health care would look like for the constituents, and the benefits to America overall:

• Medicaid
• Medicare
• VA
• ACA

Thanks!
.

Those are all federally based healthcare programs. They are all clumsy and cumbersome because they are run by a clumsy and cumbersome federal government. You want some sort of government run healthcare system? Fine, let the states set up their own as they see fit. Then, if and when it fails it doesn't necessarily break the entire healthcare system. Proponents of single payer like to ballyhoo the Canadian or Swedish or whatever the system du jour is, but they never recognize the sheer numbers those systems serve. Canada is about 1/10 the population of the US, Sweden about 1/30. Smaller systems, serving fewer people, and thus more easily administered.

BAM !!! Out of the park.....

Sweden is barely 1/30th. It is smaller than many of our states.

But we have to have a NATIONAL system.......

The morons on the left really don't get it.

Neither do the dicks on the right.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Many people here are against government involvement in a wide range of areas, particularly health care. These are generally the people who will also say that government involvement in extra-Constitutional matters is a sign of socialism, communism, Marxism.

Okay.

So rather than toss around generalities on health care, let's get specific. The following health care-related programs are based on varying degrees of government involvement/funding, so they would need to go in your scenario.

Please indicate what free market health care would look like for the constituents, and the benefits to America overall:

• Medicaid
• Medicare
• VA
• ACA

Thanks!
.

Those are all federally based healthcare programs. They are all clumsy and cumbersome because they are run by a clumsy and cumbersome federal government. You want some sort of government run healthcare system? Fine, let the states set up their own as they see fit. Then, if and when it fails it doesn't necessarily break the entire healthcare system. Proponents of single payer like to ballyhoo the Canadian or Swedish or whatever the system du jour is, but they never recognize the sheer numbers those systems serve. Canada is about 1/10 the population of the US, Sweden about 1/30. Smaller systems, serving fewer people, and thus more easily administered.

BAM !!! Out of the park.....

Sweden is barely 1/30th. It is smaller than many of our states.

But we have to have a NATIONAL system.......

The morons on the left really don't get it.

Neither do the dicks on the right.

You and me Sundevil!