Free College Education vs Spam

[overland]

Nothing is free. How much have you personally donated to pay college students?

Coolie College

How much do you lose by having to depend on people who got their jobs just because they could go four or more years without a full-time job? Such an irrelevant criterion puts inferior people in superior positions. But the plutocratic parasites who mandate it make it seem like it only benefits the graduate, as if he had majored in something totally selfish like Casino Gambling.

Yet more contradictory crap. How about if you just say up front if college education benefits society.

 

[overland]

Nothing is free. How much have you personally donated to pay college students?

Everything is free. What is the oil or coal underground? FREE. What is the grass cows or deer out in the field? FREE. What were the trees in the old growth forests that lumber companies cut down in the 18th century? FREE. What are the fish that fishermen catch out to sea? FREE. What is sunlight and the air you breathe? FREE. What is the love of a parent for a child? FREE. Etc. etc. etc. When you are talking about paying, for the most part, you are just talking about BS capitalist concepts.

"Let Them Eat Student Loans," Smirked Marie Antoinette. Then She Laughed Her Head Off.

Capitalism and socialism are not the dominating systems, so don't be misled and ignore the true crime against humanity. We live in an aristocracy, which must be abolished. No one over 18 has the right to a dime from his Daddy; that's for children. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. Or else suffer the consequences.

College is unpaid work only to give an overwhelming advantage to the spoiled-rotten HeirHeads who live off a fat allowance and also (which is less relevant!) have their Daddies pay their tuition. It is an obsolete aristocratic institution and doesn't belong in a democracy.

Capitalism is the main crime against humanity. Next, we live in a plutocracy. Not under an aristocracy. Though there are indeed many aristocratic elements to it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nothing is free. How much have you personally donated to pay college students?

Everything is free. What is the oil or coal underground? FREE. What is the grass cows or deer out in the field? FREE. What were the trees in the old growth forests that lumber companies cut down in the 18th century? FREE. What are the fish that fishermen catch out to sea? FREE. What is sunlight and the air you breathe? FREE. What is the love of a parent for a child? FREE. Etc. etc. etc. When you are talking about paying, for the most part, you are just talking about BS capitalist concepts.

"Let Them Eat Student Loans," Smirked Marie Antoinette. Then She Laughed Her Head Off.

Capitalism and socialism are not the dominating systems, so don't be misled and ignore the true crime against humanity. We live in an aristocracy, which must be abolished. No one over 18 has the right to a dime from his Daddy; that's for children. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. Or else suffer the consequences.

College is unpaid work only to give an overwhelming advantage to the spoiled-rotten HeirHeads who live off a fat allowance and also (which is less relevant!) have their Daddies pay their tuition. It is an obsolete aristocratic institution and doesn't belong in a democracy.

Capitalism is the main crime against humanity. Next, we live in a plutocracy. Not under an aristocracy. Though there are indeed many aristocratic elements to it.

Capitalism is the main crime against humanity.

Kill the greedy kulaks, eh comrade?

 

[Unkotare]

My sister didn't have to pay the firemen anything

Doesn't your sister pay property taxes?

and I never have had to give a penny to a postman.

You never buy stamps?

Those things are besides the point. ...

They are exactly the point.

Seeing how I am getting nowhere with you...

You are getting nowhere with reality.

You are the one who has no concept of reality. In many other countries, they have free college. That is the reality.

No, they don't.

 

[Unkotare]

You are getting nowhere with reality.

You are the one who has no concept of reality. In many other countries, they have free college. That is the reality.

In many other countries, they have free college.

For a small percentage of top students......you'd still be out of luck.

Bullshit. Free college means free college. That means that if you want to go, you go. Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world. If not in fact THE most highly educated students in the world! Why would they do that if they were just going to tell most of them to piss off when it came to be time for college.

Free college means free college.

And a small percentage of top students means a small percentage of top students.

Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world.

Yes, a tiny nation with almost no minorities works just like the US. DERP!

I bet if I wrote a thread and stated the FACT that the main problem with the U.S. is that we live in a multi-ethnic society, you would give me nothing but shit. Even worse if I said that all negroes need to be deported or at least be given a state sized portion of the south east U.S. as their own homeland and send them all there.

That would be as stupid as everything else you've posted here.

 

[overland]

Nothing is free. How much have you personally donated to pay college students?

Everything is free. What is the oil or coal underground? FREE. What is the grass cows or deer out in the field? FREE. What were the trees in the old growth forests that lumber companies cut down in the 18th century? FREE. What are the fish that fishermen catch out to sea? FREE. What is sunlight and the air you breathe? FREE. What is the love of a parent for a child? FREE. Etc. etc. etc. When you are talking about paying, for the most part, you are just talking about BS capitalist concepts.

"Let Them Eat Student Loans," Smirked Marie Antoinette. Then She Laughed Her Head Off.

Capitalism and socialism are not the dominating systems, so don't be misled and ignore the true crime against humanity. We live in an aristocracy, which must be abolished. No one over 18 has the right to a dime from his Daddy; that's for children. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. Or else suffer the consequences.

College is unpaid work only to give an overwhelming advantage to the spoiled-rotten HeirHeads who live off a fat allowance and also (which is less relevant!) have their Daddies pay their tuition. It is an obsolete aristocratic institution and doesn't belong in a democracy.

Capitalism is the main crime against humanity. Next, we live in a plutocracy. Not under an aristocracy. Though there are indeed many aristocratic elements to it.

Capitalism is the main crime against humanity.

Kill the greedy kulaks, eh comrade?

No. Kill or reeducate the mentally defective. Unfortunately people like you aren't likely to wake up until you need to start pushing a wheelbarrow full of money to a store to buy a loaf of bread with. Like they did in Germany before Hitler came to power. And the Nazis weren't commies. And they were right about the people responsible for their situation.

 

[overland]

You are the one who has no concept of reality. In many other countries, they have free college. That is the reality.

In many other countries, they have free college.

For a small percentage of top students......you'd still be out of luck.

Bullshit. Free college means free college. That means that if you want to go, you go. Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world. If not in fact THE most highly educated students in the world! Why would they do that if they were just going to tell most of them to piss off when it came to be time for college.

Free college means free college.

And a small percentage of top students means a small percentage of top students.

Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world.

Yes, a tiny nation with almost no minorities works just like the US. DERP!

I bet if I wrote a thread and stated the FACT that the main problem with the U.S. is that we live in a multi-ethnic society, you would give me nothing but shit. Even worse if I said that all negroes need to be deported or at least be given a state sized portion of the south east U.S. as their own homeland and send them all there.

That would be as stupid as everything else you've posted here.

There have been and still are many countries that got along just fine without negroes. So getting rid of them wouldn't be stupid. Neither is anything else I wrote. Tell me. Do you think you are a better philosopher than Aristotle?

 

[Unkotare]

In many other countries, they have free college.

For a small percentage of top students......you'd still be out of luck.

Bullshit. Free college means free college. That means that if you want to go, you go. Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world. If not in fact THE most highly educated students in the world! Why would they do that if they were just going to tell most of them to piss off when it came to be time for college.

Free college means free college.

And a small percentage of top students means a small percentage of top students.

Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world.

Yes, a tiny nation with almost no minorities works just like the US. DERP!

I bet if I wrote a thread and stated the FACT that the main problem with the U.S. is that we live in a multi-ethnic society, you would give me nothing but shit. Even worse if I said that all negroes need to be deported or at least be given a state sized portion of the south east U.S. as their own homeland and send them all there.

That would be as stupid as everything else you've posted here.

There have been and still are many countries that got along just fine without negroes. ....

Every country could get along even better without cowardly dopes like you.

 

[Unkotare]

In many other countries, they have free college.

For a small percentage of top students......you'd still be out of luck.

Bullshit. Free college means free college. That means that if you want to go, you go. Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world. If not in fact THE most highly educated students in the world! Why would they do that if they were just going to tell most of them to piss off when it came to be time for college.

Free college means free college.

And a small percentage of top students means a small percentage of top students.

Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world.

Yes, a tiny nation with almost no minorities works just like the US. DERP!

I bet if I wrote a thread and stated the FACT that the main problem with the U.S. is that we live in a multi-ethnic society, you would give me nothing but shit. Even worse if I said that all negroes need to be deported or at least be given a state sized portion of the south east U.S. as their own homeland and send them all there.

That would be as stupid as everything else you've posted here.

... Do you think you are a better philosopher than Aristotle?

Better than you. Aristotle never said that.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Nothing is free. How much have you personally donated to pay college students?

Everything is free. What is the oil or coal underground? FREE. What is the grass cows or deer out in the field? FREE. What were the trees in the old growth forests that lumber companies cut down in the 18th century? FREE. What are the fish that fishermen catch out to sea? FREE. What is sunlight and the air you breathe? FREE. What is the love of a parent for a child? FREE. Etc. etc. etc. When you are talking about paying, for the most part, you are just talking about BS capitalist concepts.

"Let Them Eat Student Loans," Smirked Marie Antoinette. Then She Laughed Her Head Off.

Capitalism and socialism are not the dominating systems, so don't be misled and ignore the true crime against humanity. We live in an aristocracy, which must be abolished. No one over 18 has the right to a dime from his Daddy; that's for children. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. Or else suffer the consequences.

College is unpaid work only to give an overwhelming advantage to the spoiled-rotten HeirHeads who live off a fat allowance and also (which is less relevant!) have their Daddies pay their tuition. It is an obsolete aristocratic institution and doesn't belong in a democracy.

Capitalism is the main crime against humanity. Next, we live in a plutocracy. Not under an aristocracy. Though there are indeed many aristocratic elements to it.

Capitalism is the main crime against humanity.

Kill the greedy kulaks, eh comrade?

No. Kill or reeducate the mentally defective. Unfortunately people like you aren't likely to wake up until you need to start pushing a wheelbarrow full of money to a store to buy a loaf of bread with. Like they did in Germany before Hitler came to power. And the Nazis weren't commies. And they were right about the people responsible for their situation.

No. Kill or reeducate the mentally defective.

We'll miss you, but step right up.

And the Nazis weren't commies.

Big government lefties are very similar, no matter what you call them.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No doubt there will be those who would say that my promotion of free college education is "spam." Such things have happened to me before. But the point is that college education should be free! In fact, we should actually PAY students to go to college. If having people who are college educated is good for society in general, then it is something worth the government subsidizing. After all, they do it in places like France and Germany. So why not here.

Couple of things.

First.... the best education availible in the world, is in the capitalist pay-for-service system here in the US, not the free-socialized education in Europe.

8 of the top 10 Universities in the world, are all in the US. People come from France and Germany, to the US for education. You don't see many people going to France or Germany from the US for education. Why would you pay money to get less education elsewhere?

Of those 8 Universities, only ONE is publicly funded, that being Berkley, and ironically Berkley exists because of a merger between a private school and a public college.

Point being, the best schools are almost universally non-publicly funded, non-government controlled, private Universities where students pay to be educated.

Additionally, we already have tons of student support programs, and the results are very bad.

Do you really want to pay for a college student that spends all his time partying, and then doesn't use his degree?

I've met several so far. I knew a lady who had a degree in architecture, who worked at McDonald. I knew another that had a degree in electrical engineering, who worked for $11/hour screwing cases together.

Do you want to be the one to pay millions of dollars to cover free education for these people?

Additionally, when you don't have to pay for your education, then you can take classes that are useless, and get degrees that are worthless.

A degree in Art History, that qualifies you for Burger King.

That doesn't benefit society, and if the student is not paying the cost, what does he care?

On the other hand, if you are paying the full cost of a degree, chances are you will be wiser in what degree you choose.

If Students Aren't Paid, They Aren't Worth Anything

You're dishonestly defining what you oppose, which is not at all the way you want it to be in order to look good opposing it. In paid professional training, those frill courses will not be offered. Also, common sense would tell you that, just like in any other job, if a student goofs off he will be fired from the program. The kind of students we are stuck with today, escapists afraid to grow up and spoiled brats living off an allowance, would not qualify for higher education. So I agree: the Diploma Dumbos we get from your system don't deserve to be paid or even to get free tuition (which is a pitiful reward for having superior intelligence anyway).

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Nothing is free. How much have you personally donated to pay college students?

Everything is free. What is the oil or coal underground? FREE. What is the grass cows or deer out in the field? FREE. What were the trees in the old growth forests that lumber companies cut down in the 18th century? FREE. What are the fish that fishermen catch out to sea? FREE. What is sunlight and the air you breathe? FREE. What is the love of a parent for a child? FREE. Etc. etc. etc. When you are talking about paying, for the most part, you are just talking about BS capitalist concepts.

You are talking crazy talk.

None of what you said is free. Maybe from some suedo definition, but economically, it's not free.

Economically speaking... if you want wood... you have to pay me to get it. I'm not spending my time to cut lumber, if you are not going to pay me. If you want to cut down your own lumber, fine. But unless you intend to hack at it with sharp rocks, my guess is you'll have to buy a chain saw and hatchet. So it's still not free.

If you don't pay me for the fish I catch... I'm keeping them.

Crushing the Seed Corn

You're not allowed to realize it, but you are contradicting yourself out of conformity to a brainwashing Big Lie. Logically, your healthy attitude should lead directly to "If you want trained employees, you'll have to pay them to get trained." But your brain energy is cut off when it threatens the selfish Establishment's way of doing things to us. The Yankees gave Derek Jeter almost a million dollars to put himself through college education. Over and above that and his salary for 20 years, their return on that investment was over 200 times what they put into it.

So let's imagine if superior athletes were treated like superior minds. Jeter would be told to take out a loan to pay the minor league clubs to train him. As for lifestyle, he'd have to live miserably on low-paying off-season temporary jobs during the season. That would discourage talent, just like America's indentured servitude education makes us exclude 90% of our potential human resources.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No doubt there will be those who would say that my promotion of free college education is "spam." Such things have happened to me before. But the point is that college education should be free! In fact, we should actually PAY students to go to college. If having people who are college educated is good for society in general, then it is something worth the government subsidizing. After all, they do it in places like France and Germany. So why not here.

You should start your own no-charge college!!
Let us know how it works out.

Or maybe the U.S. should just do what places like France and Germany have already SHOWN can be done. Make college free!

Make college free!

For what percentage of students?

For whatever percentage want to go.

You're Not Helping the Prometheus Cause

That makes them wannabes. Only the highest IQs have the right to go to college, not no-talent brownnoses who are willing to sacrifice their youth in obedience to their future corporate Masters.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No doubt there will be those who would say that my promotion of free college education is "spam." Such things have happened to me before. But the point is that college education should be free! In fact, we should actually PAY students to go to college. If having people who are college educated is good for society in general, then it is something worth the government subsidizing. After all, they do it in places like France and Germany. So why not here.

College in France is not free. College in Germany is free, but the German culture is not like the American every man for himself problem.

American colleges teach what high schools teach in Germany. So how much money do you want to spend on your second high school? The current average $100k? That can buy you a house instead. And if you can't pay your mortgage, it is only foreclosed on you, unlike if you can't pay your student loans you are enslaved for life, no bankruptcy.

Anyways, all skilled jobs are now in low exchange rate countries with cheap currencies and so cheap labor. America is not one of them. Do you really need a university degree to start hassling for some business?

Atlas Is a Parasite, But What Would Happen If Prometheus Shrugged?

There is a way to go through the college-student experience without going to college, but profiting from it more. I especially recommend this to STEM talent, in order to deprive an insulting and ungrateful society from freeloading off their sacrifice. Science is for suckers. From childhood on, A students should prepare to own their own business and only study what is necessary for that, most of which comes from what they do outside of school.

A high-school graduate could work a full-time job, put his whole pay in the bank, and live off a part-time job. At age 22, he'll have enough money to start his own business and no student debt. He can go into one of the businesses he was hired at to become a mere employee and looked down upon as a loser too lazy to go to college.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

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Or maybe the U.S. should just do what places like France and Germany have already SHOWN can be done. Make college free!

So Goober, a HIGHER percentage of students are allowed to attend college in Germany, then?

You may want to check on that....

Don't give me any BS about what I didn't say. My whole thing is to make college not only free, but pay students to go. Just look at it as a fifth armed service if it makes you feel any better. The student army. I doubt if there would ever be any need for a draft.

I agree. What if the Army were as dyfunctional as other employers? Someone comes to the recruiting office and says he wants to be in the tank battalion and the recruiter says, "Take out a loan to pay for a private tank school and come back to us when you graduate."

 

[overland]

Bullshit. Free college means free college. That means that if you want to go, you go. Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world. If not in fact THE most highly educated students in the world! Why would they do that if they were just going to tell most of them to piss off when it came to be time for college.

Free college means free college.

And a small percentage of top students means a small percentage of top students.

Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world.

Yes, a tiny nation with almost no minorities works just like the US. DERP!

I bet if I wrote a thread and stated the FACT that the main problem with the U.S. is that we live in a multi-ethnic society, you would give me nothing but shit. Even worse if I said that all negroes need to be deported or at least be given a state sized portion of the south east U.S. as their own homeland and send them all there.

That would be as stupid as everything else you've posted here.

There have been and still are many countries that got along just fine without negroes. ....

Every country could get along even better without cowardly dopes like you.

How would you know, fool.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

There is a college by Branson Missouri that has free college, but you must work for the college to earn it...

Then it isn't free. Is it.

There is no such thing as free in terms of education. It has to be paid in some manner...Are you saying that the colleges all operate for free? Taxes must be paid to support your idea of free..Why is it my responsibility to pay for you to go to college?

It should cost no more to get a college diploma than it costs to get a high school diploma. So what if people have to pay taxes. They say that educated people benefit society on a whole. So it isn't as if those tax dollars would be getting flushed down the toilet.

I have to pay real estate taxes and property taxes to pay for kids to get a high school diploma..So that is not free also...If you are old enough to play on the computer you can easily find how education is funded....

I see. According to you, we should go back to the "good" old days when only the wealthy could afford schooling. And most other people were illiterate.

The University Is an Obsolete Aristocratic Institution

The plutocrats who mandate this kind of education better give all other students the same high allowance and paid-up tuition they give their sons, or someday a proud generation would make sure those spoiled brats never graduate.

 

[overland]

Bullshit. Free college means free college. That means that if you want to go, you go. Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world. If not in fact THE most highly educated students in the world! Why would they do that if they were just going to tell most of them to piss off when it came to be time for college.

Free college means free college.

And a small percentage of top students means a small percentage of top students.

Take Finland for example. They have among the most highly educated students in the world.

Yes, a tiny nation with almost no minorities works just like the US. DERP!

I bet if I wrote a thread and stated the FACT that the main problem with the U.S. is that we live in a multi-ethnic society, you would give me nothing but shit. Even worse if I said that all negroes need to be deported or at least be given a state sized portion of the south east U.S. as their own homeland and send them all there.

That would be as stupid as everything else you've posted here.

... Do you think you are a better philosopher than Aristotle?

Better than you. Aristotle never said that.

I never read the works of Aristotle. Did you? But i did find a couple of websites that say he in fact never said that. Which could very well be true. But whoever may have said and for whatever reason, I can agree with it. For many reasons. Most of which I won't tell you unless you beg me. But i will say that I never heard of a civilization that collapsed because of intolerance and diligence.

 

[overland]

Everything is free. What is the oil or coal underground? FREE. What is the grass cows or deer out in the field? FREE. What were the trees in the old growth forests that lumber companies cut down in the 18th century? FREE. What are the fish that fishermen catch out to sea? FREE. What is sunlight and the air you breathe? FREE. What is the love of a parent for a child? FREE. Etc. etc. etc. When you are talking about paying, for the most part, you are just talking about BS capitalist concepts.

"Let Them Eat Student Loans," Smirked Marie Antoinette. Then She Laughed Her Head Off.

Capitalism and socialism are not the dominating systems, so don't be misled and ignore the true crime against humanity. We live in an aristocracy, which must be abolished. No one over 18 has the right to a dime from his Daddy; that's for children. If we have to do it on our own, so must they. Or else suffer the consequences.

College is unpaid work only to give an overwhelming advantage to the spoiled-rotten HeirHeads who live off a fat allowance and also (which is less relevant!) have their Daddies pay their tuition. It is an obsolete aristocratic institution and doesn't belong in a democracy.

Capitalism is the main crime against humanity. Next, we live in a plutocracy. Not under an aristocracy. Though there are indeed many aristocratic elements to it.

Capitalism is the main crime against humanity.

Kill the greedy kulaks, eh comrade?

No. Kill or reeducate the mentally defective. Unfortunately people like you aren't likely to wake up until you need to start pushing a wheelbarrow full of money to a store to buy a loaf of bread with. Like they did in Germany before Hitler came to power. And the Nazis weren't commies. And they were right about the people responsible for their situation.

No. Kill or reeducate the mentally defective.

We'll miss you, but step right up.

And the Nazis weren't commies.

Big government lefties are very similar, no matter what you call them.

Why. Would you need somebody to guide you? Next, many brainwashed scum would call National Socialism being extreme right wing.

 

[overland]

No doubt there will be those who would say that my promotion of free college education is "spam." Such things have happened to me before. But the point is that college education should be free! In fact, we should actually PAY students to go to college. If having people who are college educated is good for society in general, then it is something worth the government subsidizing. After all, they do it in places like France and Germany. So why not here.

College in France is not free. College in Germany is free, but the German culture is not like the American every man for himself problem.

American colleges teach what high schools teach in Germany. So how much money do you want to spend on your second high school? The current average $100k? That can buy you a house instead. And if you can't pay your mortgage, it is only foreclosed on you, unlike if you can't pay your student loans you are enslaved for life, no bankruptcy.

Anyways, all skilled jobs are now in low exchange rate countries with cheap currencies and so cheap labor. America is not one of them. Do you really need a university degree to start hassling for some business?

Atlas Is a Parasite, But What Would Happen If Prometheus Shrugged?

There is a way to go through the college-student experience without going to college, but profiting from it more. I especially recommend this to STEM talent, in order to deprive an insulting and ungrateful society from freeloading off their sacrifice. Science is for suckers. From childhood on, A students should prepare to own their own business and only study what is necessary for that, most of which comes from what they do outside of school.

A high-school graduate could work a full-time job, put his whole pay in the bank, and live off a part-time job. At age 22, he'll have enough money to start his own business and no student debt. He can go into one of the businesses he was hired at to become a mere employee and looked down upon as a loser too lazy to go to college.

Did you ever help L. Ron Hoover with his cult writings?