Frank Schaeffer on the Religious Right and Anti-Choice Violence

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    it's hard for me to take someone who accuses dick cheney of calling for the assassination of barack obama seriously.

    i'm sure his book will do well, though.
     
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    he didn't say that...

    what he said was that the rhetoric cheney is using is the type that triggers the wackos responses.

    And it is...

    All he was saying is that people are responsible for the logical AND INTENDED results of their rhetoric.
     
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    Well, I'm glad someone has finally said what needs to be said. Guns don't kill, rehetoric kills.
     
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    i disagree. i'm paraphrasing but what he said was that cheney is knowingly using rhetoric that will egg on whackos to attempt to assassinate obama.

    i'm sorry that his need to expiate the guilt he feels for his past actions leads him to make those kind of statements. his guilt is justified; his statement regarding cheney was not.

    basically, once a nutbar, always a nutbar.
     
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    And those who incite the rhetoric are what? Accessories before the fact?
     
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    if it isn't knowingly using the rhretoric, it sure as heck is using it without caring about how the nutters respond.

    I don't think he's trying to "expiate his guilt", I think it's telling it like it is, same as other people who extricate themselves from cults.
     
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    well, i'd also dispute that cheney has said anything remotely close to calling for obama's assassination, "coded" or not.

    when a person goes on national tv and spends the better part of ten minutes apologizing for his past actions, a reasonable person can infer that the expiation of guilt is a motivating factor.

    of course, he does have a book to push as well, so i may be wrong.
     
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    you keep going to the book in an effort to de-legitimize what he's saying....

    and instead of talking about ALL of the examples he gave, you picked the one which might be most open to disagreement.... I don't think that's helpful in terms of the responsibility of people for their own inflammatory rhetoric... which is really what he's talking about.

    And I actually think Cheney has multiple motivations... but mostly to make sure that if we're attacked, he can say "I told you so"..... you know, get a little schadenfreude....
     
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    are we going to hold everyone responsible for their inflammatory rhetoric or just those with whose positions we disagree?
     

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