France Goes Smart For Socialist Government--Unopposed To Credible Change!

[Artevelde]

Well first off..the Euro's been around since 1999.

Secondly..you say I "understand nothing" yet go on to confirm what I was posting about Greece.

Third..you don't seem to understand the scope of the financial meltdown. It was very serious and a world wide issue.

I don't need to post "you understand nothing".

Your posts speak for themselves.

I obviously meant to write 2002. Typo.

It became a physical currency on 1 january 2012. Get your facts straigth.

How old are you? You seem to have only a very limited grasp of reality.

lol, 2012.

I obviously meant to write 2002. Typo.

 

[Artevelde]

It became a physical currency on 1 january 2012. Get your facts straigth.

How old are you? You seem to have only a very limited grasp of reality.

lol, 2012.

Like I posted.

He got it wrong, twice..yet "I'm" the one with the reality problem.

Obviously 2002. Ten years ago as I wrote before and not in 1999 like you wrote.

 

[Sallow]

lol, 2012.

Like I posted.

He got it wrong, twice..yet "I'm" the one with the reality problem.

Obviously 2002. Ten years ago as I wrote before and not in 1999 like you wrote.

The euro came into existence on 1 January 1999, although it had been a goal of the European Union (EU) and its predecessors since the 1960s. After tough negotiations, particularly due to opposition from the United Kingdom, the Maastricht Treaty entered into force in 1993 with the goal of creating economic and monetary union by 1999 for all EU states except the UK and Denmark (even though Denmark has a fixed exchange rate policy with the euro).

In 1999 the currency was born virtually and in 2002 notes and coins began to circulate. It rapidly took over from the former national currencies and slowly expanded behind the rest of the EU. In 2009 the Lisbon Treaty formalised its political authority, the Euro Group, alongside the European Central Bank.

History of the euro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Google not working?

 

[Artevelde]

Like I posted.

He got it wrong, twice..yet "I'm" the one with the reality problem.

Obviously 2002. Ten years ago as I wrote before and not in 1999 like you wrote.

The euro came into existence on 1 January 1999, although it had been a goal of the European Union (EU) and its predecessors since the 1960s. After tough negotiations, particularly due to opposition from the United Kingdom, the Maastricht Treaty entered into force in 1993 with the goal of creating economic and monetary union by 1999 for all EU states except the UK and Denmark (even though Denmark has a fixed exchange rate policy with the euro).

In 1999 the currency was born virtually and in 2002 notes and coins began to circulate. It rapidly took over from the former national currencies and slowly expanded behind the rest of the EU. In 2009 the Lisbon Treaty formalised its political authority, the Euro Group, alongside the European Central Bank.

History of the euro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Google not working?

What about the adjective "virtually' don't you understand? I was there when the Euro came into being as a real currency.

 

[Sallow]

Obviously 2002. Ten years ago as I wrote before and not in 1999 like you wrote.

The euro came into existence on 1 January 1999, although it had been a goal of the European Union (EU) and its predecessors since the 1960s. After tough negotiations, particularly due to opposition from the United Kingdom, the Maastricht Treaty entered into force in 1993 with the goal of creating economic and monetary union by 1999 for all EU states except the UK and Denmark (even though Denmark has a fixed exchange rate policy with the euro).

In 1999 the currency was born virtually and in 2002 notes and coins began to circulate. It rapidly took over from the former national currencies and slowly expanded behind the rest of the EU. In 2009 the Lisbon Treaty formalised its political authority, the Euro Group, alongside the European Central Bank.

History of the euro - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Google not working?

What about the adjective "virtually' don't you understand? I was there when the Euro came into being as a real currency.

Yeah..I am sure you saw it "Straigth" through in 2012.

 

[SayMyName]

It should be noted, that 18 percent of the vote went to the far-right candidate Marine Le Pen. Though not moving on to the second round, it is a record showing for that party. This is a reflection that more people than ever have swung in that direction. If in the next round these votes swing to Sarkozy, well, with the 27 percent he already had against Hollande's 28, we can see how things could turn out in the second round next month. Only 12 percent went to the far left, a drop from past elections. The center coalition will be the deciding factor in this election, and polls indicate they are worried about issues such as immigration, jobs, and security and who will deliver them best. If the center is divide evenly, Sarkozy would win by several percentage points in the end.

Just some thoughts.

 

[tinydancer]

Communism blows.

Obviously you don't know what communism IS LOL

I beg to differ. My Baba and her sisters fled the Ukraine so Stalin didn't get a chance to off her or my great aunts or my great great grandfather.


I know very well what communism is. 8 million dead.

ETA: Only the good Lord knows how many he actually killed. Starving people to death is nasty.

 

[tinydancer]

It should be noted, that 18 percent of the vote went to the far-right candidate Marine Le Pen. Though not moving on to the second round, it is a record showing for that party. This is a reflection that more people than ever have swung in that direction. If in the next round these votes swing to Sarkozy, well, with the 27 percent he already had against Hollande's 28, we can see how things could turn out in the second round next month. Only 12 percent went to the far left, a drop from past elections. The center coalition will be the deciding factor in this election, and polls indicate they are worried about issues such as immigration, jobs, and security and who will deliver them best. If the center is divide evenly, Sarkozy would win by several percentage points in the end.

Just some thoughts.

I'm very interested in Le Pen. They are calling her far right, but as we well know "far right" is anything to right of Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Marx or a Harvard Law Professor.

 

[Unkotare]

Again..you are talking about the beef they have with Greece..which could easily be resolved as part of a package deal for entrance. Heck..it's pretty much resolved itself anyway..

It is nowhere near resolved. Turkey has been negotiating with the EU for many years now and that remains a significant obstacle to membership.

 

[Bigfoot]

Communism blows.

Obviously you don't know what communism IS LOL

I beg to differ. My Baba and her sisters fled the Ukraine so Stalin didn't get a chance to off her or my great aunts or my great great grandfather.


I know very well what communism is. 8 million dead.

ETA: Only the good Lord knows how many he actually killed. Starving people to death is nasty.

I believe it was upwards of 29 million through the war and up until his death. It is also likely that it is even higher then that figure but Hitler got all of the press.

 

[SayMyName]

Per my last post above, the latest headlines reveal Sarkozy read the results the same way and has begun wooing that 18 percent of the far-right vote. It will be interesting to see if he succeeds, that segment of the French electorate concerned mostly for immigration issues.

 

[Unkotare]

Germany and France, and many other EU-memberstates will never allow Turkey in because it would mean millions of Turks streaming into their labour markets.

You clearly don't know very much about Turkey. You do realize that per capita GDP in Mexico is slightly higher than in Turkey? That turkey has an economy with very a labour force that is underemployed in agriculture to an extent that is much greater than in Mexico? That illiteracy in Turkey is pretty high?

Turkey is a highly militarized state. Too bad, but it's true.

Turkey and the EU have been in serious negotiations for many years. That does not suggest that member states "will never allow Turkey in." Turkey's economy is dynamic and growing in many important ways. Turkey as a member would provide the EU with a bridge to many other important markets and geographic areas (one of that region's historic attractions). It is less likely now that Turkey will join the EU in the near future than it has been for some time, but not because Germany doesn't want more Turks, but because the EU looks less stable and Turkey's own position without the EU looks stronger than it has in a very long time, as evidenced by their more assertive attitude lately (due in no small part to the fact that the leader of the world's strongest country has proven weak and vacillating in the face of changes and challenges).

 

[Artevelde]

Per my last post above, the latest headlines reveal Sarkozy read the results the same way and has begun wooing that 18 percent of the far-right vote. It will be interesting to see if he succeeds, that segment of the French electorate concerned mostly for immigration issues.

Yes, but they are also very much opposed to the EU and the Euro. Marine Le Pen's decision to tap into this sentiment has helped her gain this result.

 

[Artevelde]

It should be noted, that 18 percent of the vote went to the far-right candidate Marine Le Pen. Though not moving on to the second round, it is a record showing for that party. This is a reflection that more people than ever have swung in that direction. If in the next round these votes swing to Sarkozy, well, with the 27 percent he already had against Hollande's 28, we can see how things could turn out in the second round next month. Only 12 percent went to the far left, a drop from past elections. The center coalition will be the deciding factor in this election, and polls indicate they are worried about issues such as immigration, jobs, and security and who will deliver them best. If the center is divide evenly, Sarkozy would win by several percentage points in the end.

Just some thoughts.

I'm very interested in Le Pen. They are calling her far right, but as we well know "far right" is anything to right of Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Marx or a Harvard Law Professor.

She is the real thing: far-right populist. She is less brazen in some of her speeches than her father, but she is an extremist.

 

[Unkotare]

Again..you are talking about the beef they have with Greece..which could easily be resolved as part of a package deal for entrance. Heck..it's pretty much resolved itself anyway.

As I pointed out..Turkey's economy is pretty robust..and it's no where near the shape Mexico's in right now. Greece's economy looks more like the Mexican one. And the military's involvement in Turkey's government has greatly diminished..as the last elections have shown.

Turkey would add much needed capital into the EU.

I am referring to Cyprus, part of which is militarily occupied by Turkey. This issue will not easily resolve itself.

Germany and France, and many other EU-memberstates will never allow Turkey in because it would mean millions of Turks streaming into their labour markets.

You clearly don't know very much about Turkey. You do realize that per capita GDP in Mexico is slightly higher than in Turkey? That turkey has an economy with very a labour force that is underemployed in agriculture to an extent that is much greater than in Mexico? That illiteracy in Turkey is pretty high?

Turkey is a highly militarized state. Too bad, but it's true.

Well having been to both Greece and Turkey..I can make some ground level comparisons. And if a state like Greece can make the grade..I don't see why Turkey shouldn't. Greece is one nasty little backwater.

Your 'working vacation' is hardly a mark of expertise, Swallow.

 

[SayMyName]

Per my last post above, the latest headlines reveal Sarkozy read the results the same way and has begun wooing that 18 percent of the far-right vote. It will be interesting to see if he succeeds, that segment of the French electorate concerned mostly for immigration issues.

Yes, but they are also very much opposed to the EU and the Euro. Marine Le Pen's decision to tap into this sentiment has helped her gain this result.

Good points, truly.

 

[Unkotare]

They should just let Turkey into the Eurozone on the condition they pick up some of the debt. It's got a robust economy and it's on it's way up. And they really want in.

That is a far more complex issue than your used and abused little brain could hope to understand, Swallow.

Amazing. .

Calm down, Swallow.

 

[Toro]

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So, given the current state of the European economy, I've been wondering what Hollande is proposing as economic policy. Found this:

As part of his emphasis on stimulating growth, Mr. Hollande has said he would try to renegotiate a European Union treaty agreed upon in December, under strong German pressure, to limit budget deficits and national debt. He wants the European Central Bank to tolerate more inflation and favors collective euro bonds for national debt, both ideas sharply opposed by Berlin.

Hard to say if Hollande can successfully renegotiate the EU deal (doesn't seem terribly likely), and I'd be stunned in Merkel agreed to Euro bonds. So he's making promises that will be tough as hell to achieve, unless he has pictures of European leaders with farm animals. At the same time, inflating its way out of this is probably the only way the region can save the Euro, so his way will probably be the way it goes. Given our situation, it could be a sign of things to come for us as well.

Hey, people are pissed. This isn't a big surprise.

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It's election rhetoric for the masses. None of that will happen.

 

[mascale]

So In the Great Obama-Biden Stimulus: There was a departure from the past. Schedule M was the refundable, relatively equal-amount, "Make Work Pay" tax credit. The $400.00 was payable, per adult, regardless if any had worked all the year or not. See the Christian math of the Jew-Boy Heb from Nazareth, in Matt. 20:1-16, KJV or Catholic editions. Jesus would be said to understand the twice-conquering deities of Greece and Rome.

In Matt. 25: 14-30, then the fixed percentage income raise basis is shown destructive of Socialist Markets. The rich get richer, and the poor get cast into the outer darkness of foreclosure. The rich peddle paper as though they had been enriched the eight talents. In fact 12.5% of the backing of the paper was missing.

And so the Lehmans, of the staff, refused to learn the "Change You Can Believe In," likely being largely female, above age 50(?)! Males above age 50 have no such problem: Believing in the change.

The First-Ever-National-Cost-Of-Living Adjustment in history, actually propsed in the first few years A.D., and in print starting 1500 years later: Finally came to pass in the Obama-Biden-Pelosi-Reid Stimulus. The Republicans, famously, took that away: And now seem to want to blame that on the Mormons.

The GOP mantra, "Take Christ Away," designed to enthrall the base: May actually be believed more in the context of Crucifix Art, "Jesus Comments Unfavorably On The Law of Moses!" The law was wrong even then. The law is wrong even now. Suddenly the GOP base can point to the Mormons as being the purveyors of the Wrong Law, all along(?).

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Great Pythagorean god of conquering Greece and Rome: A religion you can believe in, and from the right source! Change South Chicago Can Believe In(?)!)

 

[tinydancer]

I'm going to be prepared to go into real estate. Millionaires in France are going to be running from the country in droves if Hollande gets in. Those millionaires could learn to love Canada.

We have Celine Dion and poutine. What's not to love?

75% tax rate for anyone earning over 1 million Euros will guarantee that the well off will be abandoning France.