France Goes Smart For Socialist Government--Unopposed To Credible Change!

[Artevelde]

A French President lost a re-election campaign, apparently unable to hear the voice of France in a fast-paced changing, Socialist world, after all! So the Socialist candidate won instead! Again, as GOP Conservatives might contend--The Vatican regression, of the College of Cardinals, to the Holy Father's own Christian Hitler Youth: Needs work.

BBC News - France election: Francois Hollande 'wins first round'

Anyone knows the kinds of families that the GOP Conservative are. Banker bail-outs, of Bush-Cheney-Paulson, are more their norm. Low-income families, having been Cast Out Into Outer Darkness, (Matt 25::14-30), are even now not on GOP radar as being participants in a market economy.

The economy of bail-outs is the Romney-GOP vision, like under Bush-Cheney-Paulson. Only the rich are entitled, according to GOP. Romney noted that auto-workers are not entitled.

And so there is France, post-elections!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Actually, GOP was also bad for business, even in the South under "Reconstruction!")

This was only the first round. The Socialist candidate got less than 30% of the vote.

 

[Sallow]

The freaking quiche eaters couldn't tie their own shoelaces without some socialist pamphlet telling them that they could take six ours off to do it. We saved their sorry DNA in two wars and they still can't produce anything but crappy wine.

You seem to forget which country helped this nation get born..

Typical.

 

[Mac1958]

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So, given the current state of the European economy, I've been wondering what Hollande is proposing as economic policy. Found this:

As part of his emphasis on stimulating growth, Mr. Hollande has said he would try to renegotiate a European Union treaty agreed upon in December, under strong German pressure, to limit budget deficits and national debt. He wants the European Central Bank to tolerate more inflation and favors collective euro bonds for national debt, both ideas sharply opposed by Berlin.

Hard to say if Hollande can successfully renegotiate the EU deal (doesn't seem terribly likely), and I'd be stunned in Merkel agreed to Euro bonds. So he's making promises that will be tough as hell to achieve, unless he has pictures of European leaders with farm animals. At the same time, inflating its way out of this is probably the only way the region can save the Euro, so his way will probably be the way it goes. Given our situation, it could be a sign of things to come for us as well.

Hey, people are pissed. This isn't a big surprise.

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[Sallow]

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So, given the current state of the European economy, I've been wondering what Hollande is proposing as economic policy. Found this:

As part of his emphasis on stimulating growth, Mr. Hollande has said he would try to renegotiate a European Union treaty agreed upon in December, under strong German pressure, to limit budget deficits and national debt. He wants the European Central Bank to tolerate more inflation and favors collective euro bonds for national debt, both ideas sharply opposed by Berlin.

Hard to say if Hollande can successfully renegotiate the EU deal (doesn't seem terribly likely), and I'd be stunned in Merkel agreed to Euro bonds. So he's making promises that will be tough as hell to achieve, unless he has pictures of European leaders with farm animals. At the same time, inflating its way out of this is probably the only way the region can save the Euro, so his way will probably be the way it goes. Given our situation, it could be a sign of things to come for us as well.

Hey, people are pissed. This isn't a big surprise.

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They should just let Turkey into the Eurozone on the condition they pick up some of the debt. It's got a robust economy and it's on it's way up. And they really want in.

 

[Robert_Stephens]

The freaking quiche eaters couldn't tie their own shoelaces without some socialist pamphlet telling them that they could take six ours off to do it. We saved their sorry DNA in two wars and they still can't produce anything but crappy wine.

You seem to forget which country helped this nation get born..

Typical.

And lest we forget, as much as I laugh hysterically when I pass through France (Francis?), they also gave us the symbol of our Republic, The Statue of Liberty.

Robert

 

[Artevelde]

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So, given the current state of the European economy, I've been wondering what Hollande is proposing as economic policy. Found this:

As part of his emphasis on stimulating growth, Mr. Hollande has said he would try to renegotiate a European Union treaty agreed upon in December, under strong German pressure, to limit budget deficits and national debt. He wants the European Central Bank to tolerate more inflation and favors collective euro bonds for national debt, both ideas sharply opposed by Berlin.

Hard to say if Hollande can successfully renegotiate the EU deal (doesn't seem terribly likely), and I'd be stunned in Merkel agreed to Euro bonds. So he's making promises that will be tough as hell to achieve, unless he has pictures of European leaders with farm animals. At the same time, inflating its way out of this is probably the only way the region can save the Euro, so his way will probably be the way it goes. Given our situation, it could be a sign of things to come for us as well.

Hey, people are pissed. This isn't a big surprise.

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They should just let Turkey into the Eurozone on the condition they pick up some of the debt. It's got a robust economy and it's on it's way up. And they really want in.

That is nonsense. Turkey isn't even ready for EU-membership, let alone Eurozone-membership. And it will never become an EU-member either. It's not a European country after all.

The idea that Turkey can pick up European debt is pretty ludicrous to begin with.

 

[Artevelde]

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So, given the current state of the European economy, I've been wondering what Hollande is proposing as economic policy. Found this:

As part of his emphasis on stimulating growth, Mr. Hollande has said he would try to renegotiate a European Union treaty agreed upon in December, under strong German pressure, to limit budget deficits and national debt. He wants the European Central Bank to tolerate more inflation and favors collective euro bonds for national debt, both ideas sharply opposed by Berlin.

Hard to say if Hollande can successfully renegotiate the EU deal (doesn't seem terribly likely), and I'd be stunned in Merkel agreed to Euro bonds. So he's making promises that will be tough as hell to achieve, unless he has pictures of European leaders with farm animals. At the same time, inflating its way out of this is probably the only way the region can save the Euro, so his way will probably be the way it goes. Given our situation, it could be a sign of things to come for us as well.

Hey, people are pissed. This isn't a big surprise.

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People are indeed pissed (which is why the Front National, which wants to quit the Eurozone altogether, got such a big vote. But being pissed is not a credible policy.

 

[Sallow]

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So, given the current state of the European economy, I've been wondering what Hollande is proposing as economic policy. Found this:

As part of his emphasis on stimulating growth, Mr. Hollande has said he would try to renegotiate a European Union treaty agreed upon in December, under strong German pressure, to limit budget deficits and national debt. He wants the European Central Bank to tolerate more inflation and favors collective euro bonds for national debt, both ideas sharply opposed by Berlin.

Hard to say if Hollande can successfully renegotiate the EU deal (doesn't seem terribly likely), and I'd be stunned in Merkel agreed to Euro bonds. So he's making promises that will be tough as hell to achieve, unless he has pictures of European leaders with farm animals. At the same time, inflating its way out of this is probably the only way the region can save the Euro, so his way will probably be the way it goes. Given our situation, it could be a sign of things to come for us as well.

Hey, people are pissed. This isn't a big surprise.

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They should just let Turkey into the Eurozone on the condition they pick up some of the debt. It's got a robust economy and it's on it's way up. And they really want in.

That is nonsense. Turkey isn't even ready for EU-membership, let alone Eurozone-membership. And it will never become an EU-member either. It's not a European country after all.

The idea that Turkey can pick up European debt is pretty ludicrous to begin with.

Of course it's not nonsense. But that's okay..

And Turkey is more then ready for EU membership..a heck of alot more ready then Greece ever was. Greece is a basket case.

 

[Mac1958]

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I would love to have heard the conversation in which European "leaders" convinced themselves and each other that 17 sovereign countries could successfully share and manage a single currency.

I'm guessing excessive Absinthe™ had been served at THOSE meetings.

Anyone who's running for office in this mess is begging for a nasty term.

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[Artevelde]

They should just let Turkey into the Eurozone on the condition they pick up some of the debt. It's got a robust economy and it's on it's way up. And they really want in.

That is nonsense. Turkey isn't even ready for EU-membership, let alone Eurozone-membership. And it will never become an EU-member either. It's not a European country after all.

The idea that Turkey can pick up European debt is pretty ludicrous to begin with.

Of course it's not nonsense. But that's okay..

And Turkey is more then ready for EU membership..a heck of alot more ready then Greece ever was. Greece is a basket case.

Bringing Turkey into the EU would destroy the EU.

Turkey isn't a European country, it does not meet the criteria regarding democracy, it refuses to recognize certain EU-member-states and military occupies some of their territory, and it is economically not sufficiently developed.

 

[Sallow]

Still.

The Euro is worth more then the US dollar..

https://www.google.com/finance?hl=e...rrency_onebox_chart&resnum=1&ved=0CDQQ5QYwAA#

 

[Artevelde]

Still.

The Euro is worth more then the US dollar..

https://www.google.com/finance?hl=e...rrency_onebox_chart&resnum=1&ved=0CDQQ5QYwAA#

That means nothing. The Euro is highly unstable and in real difficulty in a way the dollar isn't.

 

[Sallow]

That is nonsense. Turkey isn't even ready for EU-membership, let alone Eurozone-membership. And it will never become an EU-member either. It's not a European country after all.

The idea that Turkey can pick up European debt is pretty ludicrous to begin with.

Of course it's not nonsense. But that's okay..

And Turkey is more then ready for EU membership..a heck of alot more ready then Greece ever was. Greece is a basket case.

Bringing Turkey into the EU would destroy the EU.

Turkey isn't a European country, it does not meet the criteria regarding democracy, it refuses to recognize certain EU-member-states and military occupies some of their territory, and it is economically not sufficiently developed.

How exactly would it destroy the EU? This ought to be good..

And in regards to being a "democracy", it is..

 

[Mac1958]

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I'd agree that Turkey isn't an appropriate addition, but if Spain goes in the crapper you can be sure the topic will come up. There's another meeting I'd like to see -- Turkey saying "okay guys, what's it worth to you?"

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[Sallow]

Still.

The Euro is worth more then the US dollar..

https://www.google.com/finance?hl=e...rrency_onebox_chart&resnum=1&ved=0CDQQ5QYwAA#

That means nothing. The Euro is highly unstable and in real difficulty in a way the dollar isn't.

Much of that instability was grown in the American financial industry.

 

[Artevelde]

Of course it's not nonsense. But that's okay..

And Turkey is more then ready for EU membership..a heck of alot more ready then Greece ever was. Greece is a basket case.

Bringing Turkey into the EU would destroy the EU.

Turkey isn't a European country, it does not meet the criteria regarding democracy, it refuses to recognize certain EU-member-states and military occupies some of their territory, and it is economically not sufficiently developed.

How exactly would it destroy the EU? This ought to be good..

And in regards to being a "democracy", it is..

How can you have a Union when one of the member-states occupies part of another state's territory. How can you have a Union with free traffic of persons and goods when one state refuses to allow another states ships to enter its ports?

You do realize that most of Turkey is so poor that people there ae desperate to migrate to the EU? It's a bit like saying that all Mexicans and central Americans who want to can freely move to the US. Do you think this would work?

Turkey has made progress towards democracy, but it remains a state where the military controls the civilian government instead of the other way round.

 

[Artevelde]

Still.

The Euro is worth more then the US dollar..

https://www.google.com/finance?hl=e...rrency_onebox_chart&resnum=1&ved=0CDQQ5QYwAA#

That means nothing. The Euro is highly unstable and in real difficulty in a way the dollar isn't.

Much of that instability was grown in the American financial industry.

No, it is inherent in the failed structure of the Euro itself.

 

[Sallow]

Bringing Turkey into the EU would destroy the EU.

Turkey isn't a European country, it does not meet the criteria regarding democracy, it refuses to recognize certain EU-member-states and military occupies some of their territory, and it is economically not sufficiently developed.

How exactly would it destroy the EU? This ought to be good..

And in regards to being a "democracy", it is..

How can you have a Union when one of the member-states occupies part of another state's territory. How can you have a Union with free traffic of persons and goods when one state refuses to allow another states ships to enter its ports?

You do realize that most of Turkey is so poor that people there ae desperate to migrate to the EU? It's a bit like saying that all Mexicans and central Americans who want to can freely move to the US. Do you think this would work?

Turkey has made progress towards democracy, but it remains a state where the military controls the civilian government instead of the other way round.

Again..you are talking about the beef they have with Greece..which could easily be resolved as part of a package deal for entrance. Heck..it's pretty much resolved itself anyway.

As I pointed out..Turkey's economy is pretty robust..and it's no where near the shape Mexico's in right now. Greece's economy looks more like the Mexican one. And the military's involvement in Turkey's government has greatly diminished..as the last elections have shown.

Turkey would add much needed capital into the EU.

 

[Sallow]

That means nothing. The Euro is highly unstable and in real difficulty in a way the dollar isn't.

Much of that instability was grown in the American financial industry.

No, it is inherent in the failed structure of the Euro itself.

The Euro's "collapse" followed the economic meltdown in the US for basically the same reasons.

And they resolved it basically the same way..by bailing out the high fliers.

 

[Artevelde]

How exactly would it destroy the EU? This ought to be good..

And in regards to being a "democracy", it is..

How can you have a Union when one of the member-states occupies part of another state's territory. How can you have a Union with free traffic of persons and goods when one state refuses to allow another states ships to enter its ports?

You do realize that most of Turkey is so poor that people there ae desperate to migrate to the EU? It's a bit like saying that all Mexicans and central Americans who want to can freely move to the US. Do you think this would work?

Turkey has made progress towards democracy, but it remains a state where the military controls the civilian government instead of the other way round.

Again..you are talking about the beef they have with Greece..which could easily be resolved as part of a package deal for entrance. Heck..it's pretty much resolved itself anyway.

As I pointed out..Turkey's economy is pretty robust..and it's no where near the shape Mexico's in right now. Greece's economy looks more like the Mexican one. And the military's involvement in Turkey's government has greatly diminished..as the last elections have shown.

Turkey would add much needed capital into the EU.

I am referring to Cyprus, part of which is militarily occupied by Turkey. This issue will not easily resolve itself.

Germany and France, and many other EU-memberstates will never allow Turkey in because it would mean millions of Turks streaming into their labour markets.

You clearly don't know very much about Turkey. You do realize that per capita GDP in Mexico is slightly higher than in Turkey? That turkey has an economy with very a labour force that is underemployed in agriculture to an extent that is much greater than in Mexico? That illiteracy in Turkey is pretty high?

Turkey is a highly militarized state. Too bad, but it's true.