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[Artevelde]

Much of that instability was grown in the American financial industry.

No, it is inherent in the failed structure of the Euro itself.

The Euro's "collapse" followed the economic meltdown in the US for basically the same reasons.

And they resolved it basically the same way..by bailing out the high fliers.

You don't understand anything about it. The problem is that the Euro is inherently much weaker because there is no pooled sovereignty behind it like there is in the US. Therefore, the euro is as stable as its weakest member.

 

[Sallow]

How can you have a Union when one of the member-states occupies part of another state's territory. How can you have a Union with free traffic of persons and goods when one state refuses to allow another states ships to enter its ports?

You do realize that most of Turkey is so poor that people there ae desperate to migrate to the EU? It's a bit like saying that all Mexicans and central Americans who want to can freely move to the US. Do you think this would work?

Turkey has made progress towards democracy, but it remains a state where the military controls the civilian government instead of the other way round.

Again..you are talking about the beef they have with Greece..which could easily be resolved as part of a package deal for entrance. Heck..it's pretty much resolved itself anyway.

As I pointed out..Turkey's economy is pretty robust..and it's no where near the shape Mexico's in right now. Greece's economy looks more like the Mexican one. And the military's involvement in Turkey's government has greatly diminished..as the last elections have shown.

Turkey would add much needed capital into the EU.

I am referring to Cyprus, part of which is militarily occupied by Turkey. This issue will not easily resolve itself.

Germany and France, and many other EU-memberstates will never allow Turkey in because it would mean millions of Turks streaming into their labour markets.

You clearly don't know very much about Turkey. You do realize that per capita GDP in Mexico is slightly higher than in Turkey? That turkey has an economy with very a labour force that is underemployed in agriculture to an extent that is much greater than in Mexico? That illiteracy in Turkey is pretty high?

Turkey is a highly militarized state. Too bad, but it's true.

Well having been to both Greece and Turkey..I can make some ground level comparisons. And if a state like Greece can make the grade..I don't see why Turkey shouldn't. Greece is one nasty little backwater.

 

[Artevelde]

Again..you are talking about the beef they have with Greece..which could easily be resolved as part of a package deal for entrance. Heck..it's pretty much resolved itself anyway.

As I pointed out..Turkey's economy is pretty robust..and it's no where near the shape Mexico's in right now. Greece's economy looks more like the Mexican one. And the military's involvement in Turkey's government has greatly diminished..as the last elections have shown.

Turkey would add much needed capital into the EU.

I am referring to Cyprus, part of which is militarily occupied by Turkey. This issue will not easily resolve itself.

Germany and France, and many other EU-memberstates will never allow Turkey in because it would mean millions of Turks streaming into their labour markets.

You clearly don't know very much about Turkey. You do realize that per capita GDP in Mexico is slightly higher than in Turkey? That turkey has an economy with very a labour force that is underemployed in agriculture to an extent that is much greater than in Mexico? That illiteracy in Turkey is pretty high?

Turkey is a highly militarized state. Too bad, but it's true.

Well having been to both Greece and Turkey..I can make some ground level comparisons. And if a state like Greece can make the grade..I don't see why Turkey shouldn't. Greece is one nasty little backwater.

Have you been outside of Ankara, Istanbul and Izmir? Turkey is a very big country. Most of it is very underdeveloped.

Greece has many problems (corruption being one of the greatest). But it was perfectly up to standards to become an EU-member (not to become a member of the eurozone, which is part of the problem now).

Personally I find that Bulgaria and Romania were let in to the EU too soon. But their vocation ultimately does lie in Europe. That is not the case with Turkey. It is really a moot issue and the Turks know it.

 

[Sallow]

No, it is inherent in the failed structure of the Euro itself.

The Euro's "collapse" followed the economic meltdown in the US for basically the same reasons.

And they resolved it basically the same way..by bailing out the high fliers.

You don't understand anything about it. The problem is that the Euro is inherently much weaker because there is no pooled sovereignty behind it like there is in the US. Therefore, the euro is as stable as its weakest member.

Don't understand what? The Euro's been around for quite some time..and has been "relatively" stable despite all sorts of predictions it was going to fail. The current financial meltdown hit everyone hard. And yeah..it started in the US. The "to big to fail" financial companies and insurance companies went multi-national..like AIG. Couple that with Greece borrowing like crazy to subsidize rebuilding it's military (why?) and then nearly defaulting..and you have the perfect storm. Sovereignty or not..it's would be awful hard for anyone to recover after all that.

 

[Artevelde]

Back on topic: the European stock markets are reacting pretty negatively to the respective scores of Hollande and Sarkozy. Personally I feel this is overdone. Certainly Sarkozy is a stronger partner for Merkel, but he has hardly been a real good President. And Hollande, for all his bluster, will ultimately fall into line with the rest of Europe.

 

[Artevelde]

The Euro's "collapse" followed the economic meltdown in the US for basically the same reasons.

And they resolved it basically the same way..by bailing out the high fliers.

You don't understand anything about it. The problem is that the Euro is inherently much weaker because there is no pooled sovereignty behind it like there is in the US. Therefore, the euro is as stable as its weakest member.

Don't understand what? The Euro's been around for quite some time..and has been "relatively" stable despite all sorts of predictions it was going to fail. The current financial meltdown hit everyone hard. And yeah..it started in the US. The "to big to fail" financial companies and insurance companies went multi-national..like AIG. Couple that with Greece borrowing like crazy to subsidize rebuilding it's military (why?) and then nearly defaulting..and you have the perfect storm. Sovereignty or not..it's would be awful hard for anyone to recover after all that.

First of all, the Euro is barely ten years old.

Second, you do indeed understand nothing. There is a big difference between a crisis of the financial sector and a crisis of sovereign debt. Greece is virtually bankrupt as a country. And that is not just the result of defence expenditures. The problems run much deeper.

 

[Sallow]

You don't understand anything about it. The problem is that the Euro is inherently much weaker because there is no pooled sovereignty behind it like there is in the US. Therefore, the euro is as stable as its weakest member.

Don't understand what? The Euro's been around for quite some time..and has been "relatively" stable despite all sorts of predictions it was going to fail. The current financial meltdown hit everyone hard. And yeah..it started in the US. The "to big to fail" financial companies and insurance companies went multi-national..like AIG. Couple that with Greece borrowing like crazy to subsidize rebuilding it's military (why?) and then nearly defaulting..and you have the perfect storm. Sovereignty or not..it's would be awful hard for anyone to recover after all that.

First of all, the Euro is barely ten years old.

Second, you do indeed understand nothing. There is a big difference between a crisis of the financial sector and a crisis of sovereign debt. Greece is virtually bankrupt as a country. And that is not just the result of defence expenditures. The problems run much deeper.

Well first off..the Euro's been around since 1999.

Secondly..you say I "understand nothing" yet go on to confirm what I was posting about Greece.

Third..you don't seem to understand the scope of the financial meltdown. It was very serious and a world wide issue.

I don't need to post "you understand nothing".

Your posts speak for themselves.

 

[Artevelde]

Don't understand what? The Euro's been around for quite some time..and has been "relatively" stable despite all sorts of predictions it was going to fail. The current financial meltdown hit everyone hard. And yeah..it started in the US. The "to big to fail" financial companies and insurance companies went multi-national..like AIG. Couple that with Greece borrowing like crazy to subsidize rebuilding it's military (why?) and then nearly defaulting..and you have the perfect storm. Sovereignty or not..it's would be awful hard for anyone to recover after all that.

First of all, the Euro is barely ten years old.

Second, you do indeed understand nothing. There is a big difference between a crisis of the financial sector and a crisis of sovereign debt. Greece is virtually bankrupt as a country. And that is not just the result of defence expenditures. The problems run much deeper.

Well first off..the Euro's been around since 1999.

Secondly..you say I "understand nothing" yet go on to confirm what I was posting about Greece.

Third..you don't seem to understand the scope of the financial meltdown. It was very serious and a world wide issue.

I don't need to post "you understand nothing".

Your posts speak for themselves.

It became a physical currency on 1 january 2012. Get your facts straigth.

How old are you? You seem to have only a very limited grasp of reality.

 

[Unkotare]

The freaking quiche eaters couldn't tie their own shoelaces without some socialist pamphlet telling them that they could take six ours off to do it. We saved their sorry DNA in two wars and they still can't produce anything but crappy wine.

You seem to forget which country helped this nation get born..

Typical.

It figures that Swallow would be nut-hugging France (and demonstrating the limitations of her understanding of history).

 

[Sallow]

First of all, the Euro is barely ten years old.

Second, you do indeed understand nothing. There is a big difference between a crisis of the financial sector and a crisis of sovereign debt. Greece is virtually bankrupt as a country. And that is not just the result of defence expenditures. The problems run much deeper.

Well first off..the Euro's been around since 1999.

Secondly..you say I "understand nothing" yet go on to confirm what I was posting about Greece.

Third..you don't seem to understand the scope of the financial meltdown. It was very serious and a world wide issue.

I don't need to post "you understand nothing".

Your posts speak for themselves.

It became a physical currency on 1 january 2012. Get your facts straigth.

How old are you? You seem to have only a very limited grasp of reality.

"Straigth"? That a new word?

As for my age? How is it relevant here?

As is any tenuous grasp of reality I may or may not have.

You like your conservative friends here like to get personal. I get it. Because when you paint yourself into a corner..there's no place to go.

 

[Unkotare]

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So, given the current state of the European economy, I've been wondering what Hollande is proposing as economic policy. Found this:

As part of his emphasis on stimulating growth, Mr. Hollande has said he would try to renegotiate a European Union treaty agreed upon in December, under strong German pressure, to limit budget deficits and national debt. He wants the European Central Bank to tolerate more inflation and favors collective euro bonds for national debt, both ideas sharply opposed by Berlin.

Hard to say if Hollande can successfully renegotiate the EU deal (doesn't seem terribly likely), and I'd be stunned in Merkel agreed to Euro bonds. So he's making promises that will be tough as hell to achieve, unless he has pictures of European leaders with farm animals. At the same time, inflating its way out of this is probably the only way the region can save the Euro, so his way will probably be the way it goes. Given our situation, it could be a sign of things to come for us as well.

Hey, people are pissed. This isn't a big surprise.

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They should just let Turkey into the Eurozone on the condition they pick up some of the debt. It's got a robust economy and it's on it's way up. And they really want in.

That is a far more complex issue than your used and abused little brain could hope to understand, Swallow.

 

[Sallow]

The freaking quiche eaters couldn't tie their own shoelaces without some socialist pamphlet telling them that they could take six ours off to do it. We saved their sorry DNA in two wars and they still can't produce anything but crappy wine.

You seem to forget which country helped this nation get born..

Typical.

It figures that Swallow would be nut-hugging France (and demonstrating the limitations of her understanding of history).

^ See?

Another one of your ilk chimes in with a homosexual request.

Gotta love it.

It's like clockwork.

 

[Artevelde]

Well first off..the Euro's been around since 1999.

Secondly..you say I "understand nothing" yet go on to confirm what I was posting about Greece.

Third..you don't seem to understand the scope of the financial meltdown. It was very serious and a world wide issue.

I don't need to post "you understand nothing".

Your posts speak for themselves.

It became a physical currency on 1 january 2012. Get your facts straigth.

How old are you? You seem to have only a very limited grasp of reality.

"Straigth"? That a new word?

As for my age? How is it relevant here?

As is any tenuous grasp of reality I may or may not have.

You like your conservative friends here like to get personal. I get it. Because when you paint yourself into a corner..there's no place to go.

I see that you can't dispute that you are not correct on the facts.

 

[Sallow]

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So, given the current state of the European economy, I've been wondering what Hollande is proposing as economic policy. Found this:

As part of his emphasis on stimulating growth, Mr. Hollande has said he would try to renegotiate a European Union treaty agreed upon in December, under strong German pressure, to limit budget deficits and national debt. He wants the European Central Bank to tolerate more inflation and favors collective euro bonds for national debt, both ideas sharply opposed by Berlin.

Hard to say if Hollande can successfully renegotiate the EU deal (doesn't seem terribly likely), and I'd be stunned in Merkel agreed to Euro bonds. So he's making promises that will be tough as hell to achieve, unless he has pictures of European leaders with farm animals. At the same time, inflating its way out of this is probably the only way the region can save the Euro, so his way will probably be the way it goes. Given our situation, it could be a sign of things to come for us as well.

Hey, people are pissed. This isn't a big surprise.

.

They should just let Turkey into the Eurozone on the condition they pick up some of the debt. It's got a robust economy and it's on it's way up. And they really want in.

That is a far more complex issue than your used and abused little brain could hope to understand, Swallow.

Amazing. You like to suck dick that much, China Doll?

Well..no sale.

 

[Sallow]

It became a physical currency on 1 january 2012. Get your facts straigth.

How old are you? You seem to have only a very limited grasp of reality.

"Straigth"? That a new word?

As for my age? How is it relevant here?

As is any tenuous grasp of reality I may or may not have.

You like your conservative friends here like to get personal. I get it. Because when you paint yourself into a corner..there's no place to go.

I see that you can't dispute that you are not correct on the facts.

What's to dispute?

You got the history of the Euro wrong. You are backing up what I am saying about Greece and your minimizing the scope of the financial meltdown.

I can lead you to water..but I can't make you drink.

Cheers.

 

[Unkotare]

And Turkey is more then ready for EU membership...

Not really.

 

[Artevelde]

"Straigth"? That a new word?

As for my age? How is it relevant here?

As is any tenuous grasp of reality I may or may not have.

You like your conservative friends here like to get personal. I get it. Because when you paint yourself into a corner..there's no place to go.

I see that you can't dispute that you are not correct on the facts.

What's to dispute?

You got the history of the Euro wrong. You are backing up what I am saying about Greece and your minimizing the scope of the financial meltdown.

I can lead you to water..but I can't make you drink.

Cheers.

On the Euro, you were wrong. Just like you were wrong on the comparison between Mexico and Turkey.

But I guess you are too sperm-obsessed to care about facts.

Actually you are more pathetic than I thought.

 

[Sallow]

I see that you can't dispute that you are not correct on the facts.

What's to dispute?

You got the history of the Euro wrong. You are backing up what I am saying about Greece and your minimizing the scope of the financial meltdown.

I can lead you to water..but I can't make you drink.

Cheers.

On the Euro, you were wrong. Just like you were wrong on the comparison between Mexico and Turkey.

But I guess you are too sperm-obsessed to care about facts.

Actually you are more pathetic than I thought.

Like 2 peas in a pod.

Good stuff.

 

[L.K.Eder]

First of all, the Euro is barely ten years old.

Second, you do indeed understand nothing. There is a big difference between a crisis of the financial sector and a crisis of sovereign debt. Greece is virtually bankrupt as a country. And that is not just the result of defence expenditures. The problems run much deeper.

Well first off..the Euro's been around since 1999.

Secondly..you say I "understand nothing" yet go on to confirm what I was posting about Greece.

Third..you don't seem to understand the scope of the financial meltdown. It was very serious and a world wide issue.

I don't need to post "you understand nothing".

Your posts speak for themselves.

It became a physical currency on 1 january 2012. Get your facts straigth.

How old are you? You seem to have only a very limited grasp of reality.

lol, 2012.

 

[Sallow]

Well first off..the Euro's been around since 1999.

Secondly..you say I "understand nothing" yet go on to confirm what I was posting about Greece.

Third..you don't seem to understand the scope of the financial meltdown. It was very serious and a world wide issue.

I don't need to post "you understand nothing".

Your posts speak for themselves.

It became a physical currency on 1 january 2012. Get your facts straigth.

How old are you? You seem to have only a very limited grasp of reality.

lol, 2012.

Like I posted.

He got it wrong, twice..yet "I'm" the one with the reality problem.