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I'm against Roe v Wade. I think that issue should be a states rights issue and not federal. I'm against abortion except under special circmustances.
So the government has no business telling a business owner what they can do with their property? But the government should be allowed to tell a woman what they can and can't do with their body?
You say that it's THEIR business, THEIR property thus THEIR decision. A person's own body is the most private form of ownership yet you don't want to allow people to have a say over that and strip their rights away from them. If a woman wants an abortion, that's not harming you, yet you still want to stop her from doing that. Seems unfair.
But abortions don't harm anyone, just the life of an unborn child and the health risk of the mother.
So the government has no business telling a business owner what they can do with their property? But the government should be allowed to tell a woman what they can and can't do with their body?
You say that it's THEIR business, THEIR property thus THEIR decision. A person's own body is the most private form of ownership yet you don't want to allow people to have a say over that and strip their rights away from them. If a woman wants an abortion, that's not harming you, yet you still want to stop her from doing that. Seems unfair.
Show me in the Constitution where abortion is legal. Show me in the constitution where the government has the authority to to decide what a person can do on his own property.
The leading causes of abortion related maternal deaths within a week of the surgery are hemorrhage, infection, embolism, anesthesia, and undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies. Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death in the United States, though in fact it is recognized that most abortion related deaths are not officially reported as such.(2)
BREAST CANCER:
The risk of breast cancer almost doubles after one abortion, and rises even further with two or more abortions.(3)
CERVICAL, OVARIAN, AND LIVER CANCER:
Women with one abortion face a 2.3 relative risk of cervical cancer, compared to non-aborted women, and women with two or more abortions face a 4.92 relative risk. Similar elevated risks of ovarian and liver cancer have also been linked to single and multiple abortions. These increased cancer rates for post-aborted women are apparently linked to the unnatural disruption of the hormonal changes which accompany pregnancy and untreated cervical damage.(4)
UTERINE PERFORATION:
Between 2 and 3% of all abortion patients may suffer perforation of their uterus, yet most of these injuries will remain undiagnosed and untreated unless laparoscopic visualization is performed.(5) Such an examination may be useful when beginning an abortion malpractice suit. The risk of uterine perforation is increased for women who have previously given birth and for those who receive general anesthesia at the time of the abortion.(6) Uterine damage may result in complications in later pregnancies and may eventually evolve into problems which require a hysterectomy, which itself may result in a number of additional complications and injuries including osteoporosis.
CERVICAL LACERATIONS:
Significant cervical lacerations requiring sutures occur in at least one percent of first trimester abortions. Lesser lacerations, or micro fractures, which would normally not be treated may also result in long term reproductive damage. Latent post-abortion cervical damage may result in subsequent cervical incompetence, premature delivery, and complications of labor. The risk of cervical damage is greater for teenagers, for second trimester abortions, and when practitioners fail to use laminaria for dilation of the cervix.(7)
PLACENTA PREVIA:
Abortion increases the risk of placenta previa in later pregnancies (a life threatening condition for both the mother and her wanted pregnancy) by seven to fifteen fold. Abnormal development of the placenta due to uterine damage increases the risk of fetal malformation, perinatal death, and excessive bleeding during labor.(8)
COMPLICATIONS OF LABOR: Women who had one, two, or more previous induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.66, or 2.03 times more likely to have a subsequent pre-term delivery, compared to women who carry to term. Prior induced abortion not only increased the risk of premature delivery, it also increased the risk of delayed delivery. Women who had one, two, or more induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.61, and 2.23 times more likely to have a post-term delivery (over 42 weeks).(17) Pre-term delivery increases the risk of neo-natal death and handicaps.
HANDICAPPED NEWBORNS IN LATER PREGNANCIES:
Abortion is associated with cervical and uterine damage which may increase the risk of premature delivery, complications of labor and abnormal development of the placenta in later pregnancies. These reproductive complications are the leading causes of handicaps among newborns.(9)
ECTOPIC PREGNANCY:
Abortion is significantly related to an increased risk of subsequent ectopic pregnancies. Ectopic pregnancies, in turn, are life threatening and may result in reduced fertility.(10)
PELVIC INFLAMMATORY DISEASE (PID):
PID is a potentially life threatening disease which can lead to an increased risk of ectopic pregnancy and reduced fertility. Of patients who have a chlamydia infection at the time of the abortion, 23% will develop PID within 4 weeks. Studies have found that 20 to 27% of patients seeking abortion have a chlamydia infection. Approximately 5% of patients who are not infected by chlamydia develop PID within 4 weeks after a first trimester abortion. It is therefore reasonable to expect that abortion providers should screen for and treat such infections prior to an abortion.(11)
ENDOMETRITIS:
Endometritis is a post-abortion risk for all women, but especially for teenagers, who are 2.5 times more likely than women 20-29 to acquire endometritis following abortion.(12)
IMMEDIATE COMPLICATIONS:
Approximately 10% of women undergoing elective abortion will suffer immediate complications, of which approximately one-fifth (2%) are considered life threatening. The nine most common major complications which can occur at the time of an abortion are: infection, excessive bleeding, embolism, ripping or perforation of the uterus, anesthesia complications, convulsions, hemorrhage, cervical injury, and endotoxic shock. The most common "minor" complications include: infection, bleeding, fever, second degree burns, chronic abdominal pain, vomiting, gastro-intestinal disturbances, and Rh sensitization.(13)
INCREASED RISKS FOR WOMEN SEEKING MULTIPLE ABORTIONS:
In general, most of the studies cited above reflect risk factors for women who undergo a single abortion. These same studies show that women who have multiple abortions face a much greater risk of experiencing these complications. This point is especially noteworthy since approximately 45% of all abortions are for repeat aborters.
LOWER GENERAL HEALTH:
In a survey of 1428 women researchers found that pregnancy loss, and particularly losses due to induced abortion, was significantly associated with an overall lower health. Multiple abortions correlated to an even lower evaluation of "present health." While miscarriage was detrimental to health, abortion was found to have a greater correlation to poor health. These findings support previous research which reported that during the year following an abortion women visited their family doctors 80% more for all reasons and 180% more for psychosocial reasons. The authors also found that "if a partner is present and not supportive, the miscarriage rate is more than double and the abortion rate is four times greater than if he is present and supportive. If the partner is absent the abortion rate is six times greater." (15)
This finding is supported by a 1984 study that examined the amount of health care sought by women during a year before and a year after their induced abortions. The researchers found that on average, there was an 80 percent increase in the number of doctor visits and a 180 percent increase in doctor visits for psychosocial reasons after abortion.(18)
INCREASED RISK FOR CONTRIBUTING HEALTH RISK FACTORS:
Abortion is significantly linked to behavioral changes such as promiscuity, smoking, drug abuse, and eating disorders which all contribute to increased risks of health problems. For example, promiscuity and abortion are each linked to increased rates of PID and ectopic pregnancies. Which contributes most is unclear, but apportionment may be irrelevant if the promiscuity is itself a reaction to post- abortion trauma or loss of self esteem.
INCREASED RISKS FOR TEENAGERS:
Teenagers, who account for about 30 percent of all abortions, are also at much high risk of suffering many abortion related complications. This is true of both immediate complications, and of long-term reproductive damage.(14)
But abortions don't harm anyone, just the life of an unborn child and the health risk of the mother.
Abortion Risks: A list of major physical complications related to abortion
Show us in the Constitution (or any laws from the times of the Founders) where abortion is ILLEGAL.
(BTW, there's nothing in the Constitution saying that appendectomies are legal either....)
So the government has no business telling a business owner what they can do with their property? But the government should be allowed to tell a woman what they can and can't do with their body?
You say that it's THEIR business, THEIR property thus THEIR decision. A person's own body is the most private form of ownership yet you don't want to allow people to have a say over that and strip their rights away from them. If a woman wants an abortion, that's not harming you, yet you still want to stop her from doing that. Seems unfair.
But abortions don't harm anyone, just the life of an unborn child and the health risk of the mother.
But how does that harm you? You may not agree with a mother harming herself, but thats HER choice.
Keep fighting for the individual freedoms that only matter to you. It's quite patriotic.
The cognitive dissonance it must take to go through the machinations of all the reasons why it is perfectly acceptable to deny a person food or a bed in public accommodations on the basis of color, creed or ethnicity - because - a store, restaurant or hotel isBut abortions don't harm anyone, just the life of an unborn child and the health risk of the mother.
But how does that harm you? You may not agree with a mother harming herself, but thats HER choice.
Keep fighting for the individual freedoms that only matter to you. It's quite patriotic.
What if she has other children, do you not think her risking her life unneccesarily may affect them? And of course it doesn't do any harm to the unborn child.
The law regulates how we treat our bodies suicide, drug use, prostitution are all illegal even though those actions don't harm anyone but ourselves.
The cognitive dissonance it must take to go through the machinations of all the reasons why it is perfectly acceptable to deny a person food or a bed in public accommodations on the basis of color, creed or ethnicity - because - a store, restaurant or hotel isBut how does that harm you? You may not agree with a mother harming herself, but thats HER choice.
Keep fighting for the individual freedoms that only matter to you. It's quite patriotic.
What if she has other children, do you not think her risking her life unneccesarily may affect them? And of course it doesn't do any harm to the unborn child.
The law regulates how we treat our bodies suicide, drug use, prostitution are all illegal even though those actions don't harm anyone but ourselves.
<ka-cha!> PRIVATE PROPERTY! A man's property is his to do what he wants with!
Nothing is more sacred than private property rights!
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And then turn around and without a hint of irony or shame, proceed to tell us what is INSIDE a woman's own body isn't hers to decide and the state has every right to make those decisions for her.
****ing amazing.
which is why it is a STATES RIGHTS ISSUESo the government has no business telling a business owner what they can do with their property? But the government should be allowed to tell a woman what they can and can't do with their body?
You say that it's THEIR business, THEIR property thus THEIR decision. A person's own body is the most private form of ownership yet you don't want to allow people to have a say over that and strip their rights away from them. If a woman wants an abortion, that's not harming you, yet you still want to stop her from doing that. Seems unfair.
Show me in the Constitution where abortion is legal. Show me in the constitution where the government has the authority to to decide what a person can do on his own property.
The leading causes of abortion related maternal deaths within a week of the surgery are hemorrhage, infection, embolism, anesthesia, and undiagnosed ectopic pregnancies. Legal abortion is reported as the fifth leading cause of maternal death in the United States, though in fact it is recognized that most abortion related deaths are not officially reported as such.(2)
BREAST CANCER:
The risk of breast cancer almost doubles after one abortion, and rises even further with two or more abortions.(3)
CERVICAL, OVARIAN, AND LIVER CANCER:
Women with one abortion face a 2.3 relative risk of cervical cancer, compared to non-aborted women, and women with two or more abortions face a 4.92 relative risk. Similar elevated risks of ovarian and liver cancer have also been linked to single and multiple abortions. These increased cancer rates for post-aborted women are apparently linked to the unnatural disruption of the hormonal changes which accompany pregnancy and untreated cervical damage.(4)
UTERINE PERFORATION:
Between 2 and 3% of all abortion patients may suffer perforation of their uterus, yet most of these injuries will remain undiagnosed and untreated unless laparoscopic visualization is performed.(5) Such an examination may be useful when beginning an abortion malpractice suit. The risk of uterine perforation is increased for women who have previously given birth and for those who receive general anesthesia at the time of the abortion.(6) Uterine damage may result in complications in later pregnancies and may eventually evolve into problems which require a hysterectomy, which itself may result in a number of additional complications and injuries including osteoporosis.
CERVICAL LACERATIONS:
Significant cervical lacerations requiring sutures occur in at least one percent of first trimester abortions. Lesser lacerations, or micro fractures, which would normally not be treated may also result in long term reproductive damage. Latent post-abortion cervical damage may result in subsequent cervical incompetence, premature delivery, and complications of labor. The risk of cervical damage is greater for teenagers, for second trimester abortions, and when practitioners fail to use laminaria for dilation of the cervix.(7)
PLACENTA PREVIA:
Abortion increases the risk of placenta previa in later pregnancies (a life threatening condition for both the mother and her wanted pregnancy) by seven to fifteen fold. Abnormal development of the placenta due to uterine damage increases the risk of fetal malformation, perinatal death, and excessive bleeding during labor.(8)
COMPLICATIONS OF LABOR: Women who had one, two, or more previous induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.66, or 2.03 times more likely to have a subsequent pre-term delivery, compared to women who carry to term. Prior induced abortion not only increased the risk of premature delivery, it also increased the risk of delayed delivery. Women who had one, two, or more induced abortions are, respectively, 1.89, 2.61, and 2.23 times more likely to have a post-term delivery (over 42 weeks).(17) Pre-term delivery increases the risk of neo-natal death and handicaps.
HANDICAPPED NEWBORNS IN LATER PREGNANCIES:
Abortion is associated with cervical and uterine damage which may increase the risk of premature delivery, complications of labor and abnormal development of the placenta in later pregnancies. These reproductive complications are the leading causes of handicaps among newborns.(9)
ECTOPIC PREGNANCY:
Abortion is significantly related to an increased risk of subsequent ectopic pregnancies. Ectopic pregnancies, in turn, are life threatening and may result in reduced fertility.(10)
PELVIC INFLAMMATORY DISEASE (PID):
PID is a potentially life threatening disease which can lead to an increased risk of ectopic pregnancy and reduced fertility. Of patients who have a chlamydia infection at the time of the abortion, 23% will develop PID within 4 weeks. Studies have found that 20 to 27% of patients seeking abortion have a chlamydia infection. Approximately 5% of patients who are not infected by chlamydia develop PID within 4 weeks after a first trimester abortion. It is therefore reasonable to expect that abortion providers should screen for and treat such infections prior to an abortion.(11)
ENDOMETRITIS:
Endometritis is a post-abortion risk for all women, but especially for teenagers, who are 2.5 times more likely than women 20-29 to acquire endometritis following abortion.(12)
IMMEDIATE COMPLICATIONS:
Approximately 10% of women undergoing elective abortion will suffer immediate complications, of which approximately one-fifth (2%) are considered life threatening. The nine most common major complications which can occur at the time of an abortion are: infection, excessive bleeding, embolism, ripping or perforation of the uterus, anesthesia complications, convulsions, hemorrhage, cervical injury, and endotoxic shock. The most common "minor" complications include: infection, bleeding, fever, second degree burns, chronic abdominal pain, vomiting, gastro-intestinal disturbances, and Rh sensitization.(13)
INCREASED RISKS FOR WOMEN SEEKING MULTIPLE ABORTIONS:
In general, most of the studies cited above reflect risk factors for women who undergo a single abortion. These same studies show that women who have multiple abortions face a much greater risk of experiencing these complications. This point is especially noteworthy since approximately 45% of all abortions are for repeat aborters.
LOWER GENERAL HEALTH:
In a survey of 1428 women researchers found that pregnancy loss, and particularly losses due to induced abortion, was significantly associated with an overall lower health. Multiple abortions correlated to an even lower evaluation of "present health." While miscarriage was detrimental to health, abortion was found to have a greater correlation to poor health. These findings support previous research which reported that during the year following an abortion women visited their family doctors 80% more for all reasons and 180% more for psychosocial reasons. The authors also found that "if a partner is present and not supportive, the miscarriage rate is more than double and the abortion rate is four times greater than if he is present and supportive. If the partner is absent the abortion rate is six times greater." (15)
This finding is supported by a 1984 study that examined the amount of health care sought by women during a year before and a year after their induced abortions. The researchers found that on average, there was an 80 percent increase in the number of doctor visits and a 180 percent increase in doctor visits for psychosocial reasons after abortion.(18)
INCREASED RISK FOR CONTRIBUTING HEALTH RISK FACTORS:
Abortion is significantly linked to behavioral changes such as promiscuity, smoking, drug abuse, and eating disorders which all contribute to increased risks of health problems. For example, promiscuity and abortion are each linked to increased rates of PID and ectopic pregnancies. Which contributes most is unclear, but apportionment may be irrelevant if the promiscuity is itself a reaction to post- abortion trauma or loss of self esteem.
INCREASED RISKS FOR TEENAGERS:
Teenagers, who account for about 30 percent of all abortions, are also at much high risk of suffering many abortion related complications. This is true of both immediate complications, and of long-term reproductive damage.(14)
But abortions don't harm anyone, just the life of an unborn child and the health risk of the mother.
Abortion Risks: A list of major physical complications related to abortion
Show us in the Constitution (or any laws from the times of the Founders) where abortion is ILLEGAL.
(BTW, there's nothing in the Constitution saying that appendectomies are legal either....)
ever been pulled over by the police?from a strictly tactical realpolitik point of view, I think it is FABULOUS that the republicans on here are vigorously supportive of a business owning bigot's right to be a bigot in the operation of his business. And while they're at it, I think they should really press hard for those "show me your papers" Arizona-like laws in all sorts of states.... especially ones with large Hispanic populations.
from a strictly tactical realpolitik point of view, I think it is FABULOUS that the republicans on here are vigorously supportive of a business owning bigot's right to be a bigot in the operation of his business. And while they're at it, I think they should really press hard for those "show me your papers" Arizona-like laws in all sorts of states.... especially ones with large Hispanic populations.
from a strictly tactical realpolitik point of view, I think it is FABULOUS that the republicans on here are vigorously supportive of a business owning bigot's right to be a bigot in the operation of his business. And while they're at it, I think they should really press hard for those "show me your papers" Arizona-like laws in all sorts of states.... especially ones with large Hispanic populations.
Spoken like a true bigot.
ever been pulled over by the police?from a strictly tactical realpolitik point of view, I think it is FABULOUS that the republicans on here are vigorously supportive of a business owning bigot's right to be a bigot in the operation of his business. And while they're at it, I think they should really press hard for those "show me your papers" Arizona-like laws in all sorts of states.... especially ones with large Hispanic populations.
btw, how is it that we are supporting bigots when we want them to post that they are bigots so we know not to do business with them?
from a strictly tactical realpolitik point of view, I think it is FABULOUS that the republicans on here are vigorously supportive of a business owning bigot's right to be a bigot in the operation of his business. And while they're at it, I think they should really press hard for those "show me your papers" Arizona-like laws in all sorts of states.... especially ones with large Hispanic populations.
Spoken like a true bigot.
I am not a bigot at all... I just love it when the republicans SAY that they are the party of the big tent and that minorities really should vote for them and not the democrats, but then they start spewing stupid shit like this and then they'll be all confused why they lost the black and hispanic vote again.... no doubt they'll blame it on the media, and because those blacks are just too stupid to know what's really good for them!
if you've ever been pulled over, you have had to produce PAPERSever been pulled over by the police?from a strictly tactical realpolitik point of view, I think it is FABULOUS that the republicans on here are vigorously supportive of a business owning bigot's right to be a bigot in the operation of his business. And while they're at it, I think they should really press hard for those "show me your papers" Arizona-like laws in all sorts of states.... especially ones with large Hispanic populations.
btw, how is it that we are supporting bigots when we want them to post that they are bigots so we know not to do business with them?
I have been pulled over by the police....
and you have stated that you think that the owner of a lunch counter in a department store should have the right to refuse to serve black people. that's fucking twisted, if you ask me.
the point that you seem to miss is: if the lunch counter owner can refuse service to blacks, then black people are denied the right to eat at a public restaurant.if you've ever been pulled over, you have had to produce PAPERSever been pulled over by the police?
btw, how is it that we are supporting bigots when we want them to post that they are bigots so we know not to do business with them?
I have been pulled over by the police....
and you have stated that you think that the owner of a lunch counter in a department store should have the right to refuse to serve black people. that's fucking twisted, if you ask me.
thus no different than the AZ law
and only if they post it for all to see
then i know i wont be eating there and supporting a bigot and the stupid businessman
Spoken like a true bigot.
I am not a bigot at all... I just love it when the republicans SAY that they are the party of the big tent and that minorities really should vote for them and not the democrats, but then they start spewing stupid shit like this and then they'll be all confused why they lost the black and hispanic vote again.... no doubt they'll blame it on the media, and because those blacks are just too stupid to know what's really good for them!
You are a bigot and your posts relay that message clearly. I haven't heard any republican make such a statement regarding minorities perhaps you could provide some examples.
you sure are fucking stupidthe point that you seem to miss is: if the lunch counter owner can refuse service to blacks, then black people are denied the right to eat at a public restaurant.if you've ever been pulled over, you have had to produce PAPERSI have been pulled over by the police....
and you have stated that you think that the owner of a lunch counter in a department store should have the right to refuse to serve black people. that's fucking twisted, if you ask me.
thus no different than the AZ law
and only if they post it for all to see
then i know i wont be eating there and supporting a bigot and the stupid businessman
If that is how you think this country should operate, PUHLEESE talk the GOP into making that part of their next platform. I am sure that whatever blacks might have considered voting for a republican before such a platform announcement will certainly rethink that.
I am not a bigot at all... I just love it when the republicans SAY that they are the party of the big tent and that minorities really should vote for them and not the democrats, but then they start spewing stupid shit like this and then they'll be all confused why they lost the black and hispanic vote again.... no doubt they'll blame it on the media, and because those blacks are just too stupid to know what's really good for them!
You are a bigot and your posts relay that message clearly. I haven't heard any republican make such a statement regarding minorities perhaps you could provide some examples.
aren't you arguing for the rights of business owners to refuse service to minorities?
are you suggesting that there have not been folks on this and other boards for YEARS saying that blacks have been TRICKED by the democratic party to vote against their own self interest?
You are a bigot and your posts relay that message clearly. I haven't heard any republican make such a statement regarding minorities perhaps you could provide some examples.
aren't you arguing for the rights of business owners to refuse service to minorities?
are you suggesting that there have not been folks on this and other boards for YEARS saying that blacks have been TRICKED by the democratic party to vote against their own self interest?
No I'm arguing for the rights the owners have as United States citizens to run their business as they choose.
Yes I do think a vote for the democrats is a vote against their own interest. Fact is blacks are closer to conservatives on some key issues such as homosexual marriage, religion, they have an "America First" view on foreign policy, oppose mass immigration, they value tradition and are proud of their heritage unlike the "white guilt" exhibited by liberals.
aren't you arguing for the rights of business owners to refuse service to minorities?
are you suggesting that there have not been folks on this and other boards for YEARS saying that blacks have been TRICKED by the democratic party to vote against their own self interest?
No I'm arguing for the rights the owners have as United States citizens to run their business as they choose.
Yes I do think a vote for the democrats is a vote against their own interest. Fact is blacks are closer to conservatives on some key issues such as homosexual marriage, religion, they have an "America First" view on foreign policy, oppose mass immigration, they value tradition and are proud of their heritage unlike the "white guilt" exhibited by liberals.
and yet, black americans vote with democrats over 85%. must be because they are stupid and lazy, eh?
but take my word for it.... you start suggesting that the GOP is the party for them... tell them how you want to allow restaurant owners across America to deny people service based upon the color of their skin. I am sure that will be a big selling point for y'all.
