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[BenNatuf]

What you dont get is it wasnt about balancing the budget. After the unions conceded the contributions walker simply was going to get rid of the unions. Now he did. Good for him.
It was never about the budget. If it had been, walker would have said thanx and moved on. Some businesses are now going to suffer some and they have reaped what they deserve as you have stated. While these people are now contributing and are losing their collective bargaining they arent stupid....they know which businesses supported this mess... I supported the public employees and have a sign in my business window stating so. Those that have openly opposed are mad now that their business is down. How STUPID are they? Did they think this would not happen? As a fellow business owner I really cant say I will help them out or support them. As you stated they have reaped what they sowed.

He got rid of the unions? Please, your unbelieveable... really I mean that not believeable. They haven't lost their collective bargaining, they've lost the poer to hold the state hostage to buy H/I from the union at an additional cost in the tens of millions to WI taxpayors. The members still have thier benefits, thats covered by civil service laws, they still have thier pay, and can negotiate for higher pay in the future, with the one caveat that if it's more than inflation the people must aprove it in a referendum. Your claims are rediculous and paint you as a fraud. Is that you trumka?

 

[The T]

No glee but to declare a group of people the enemy when they really arent is wrong. I call em like I see them. Can you honestly say that public sector workers are enemies? That is wrong. Sorry. Someone has to do that job. If people dont like what they make why didnt they become prison guards?
They have agreed to concessions. They agreed to furlough days. So they should make minimum wage, correct? What is the argument against them? WHy are so many short sighted people against a snow plow driver? They plow your roads so you can go to your job for gods sake. But you dont want them to make a living wage correct?

Never said they were enemies. What this is about is asking them to cough up a little more like the rest of us are having to do. And besides? WE reserve that right since WE are paying the tab.

 

[initforme]

apparently you dont know what is in the bill. They have lost any bargaining rights to working conditions. The only thing they can even discuss is wages. And this is tied to inflation so basically there is no raise in sight for them. For those nearing retirement they can be fired so they cant retire. I can see many places firing them just before they are set to retire so they cant. Those FEW places that have some morals will do otherwise.

 

[The T]

apparently you dont know what is in the bill. They have lost any bargaining rights to working conditions. The only thing they can even discuss is wages. And this is tied to inflation so basically there is no raise in sight for them. For those nearing retirement they can be fired so they cant retire. I can see many places firing them just before they are set to retire so they cant. Those FEW places that have some morals will do otherwise.

Welcome to the private sector.

 

[initforme]

"What this is about is asking them to cough up a little more like the rest of us are having to do."

They did. They agreed to this soon after the bill was introduced. Thats the point. They DID CONCEDE to pay in more. The rest was unncessesary. Now they are considered enemies of the state and are being treated as such because they actually, imagine this, stood up for themselves. The state is divided, nasty. It didnt have to be this way. Now it is a total mess. The whole situation was handled poorly. I voted for the current governor. I really did. But I didnt vote to consider many of my clients enemies. Simple common sense tells me this. The teachers of my children surely are not my enemies.

 

[BenNatuf]

apparently you dont know what is in the bill. They have lost any bargaining rights to working conditions. The only thing they can even discuss is wages. And this is tied to inflation so basically there is no raise in sight for them. For those nearing retirement they can be fired so they cant retire. I can see many places firing them just before they are set to retire so they cant. Those FEW places that have some morals will do otherwise.

You evidently are a complete and total moron. There are civil service laws in place to protect state employees. Working conditions? Again covered in civil service laws. They can negotiate for raises higher than inflation, but the voters have to approve it. I evidently know more about the law than you do.

 

[initforme]

those civil service laws do not protect the good veteran public service workers from termination. I know of quite a few who have already gotten pink slips and have not been called back. They have been on the job for 20 plus years. They work hard. Perhaps they have a court case?

 

[Zander]

Just because they will have a recall election doesn't mean the Democrat/Socialist/Communist/Progressive candidate will win. This is a serious case of counting your chickens before they've hatched.......

 

[The T]

those civil service laws do not protect the good veteran public service workers from termination. I know of quite a few who have already gotten pink slips and have not been called back. They have been on the job for 20 plus years. They work hard. Perhaps they have a court case?

Perhaps the American people have a court-case through the Senate against Barack Obama and the treason he's comitted?

 

[Wicked Jester]

I have no beef with veterans. In fact, I support them. I have had quite a few bring in their stuff to be fixed. However, I have no beef with public sector workers either. They have agreed to contribute. Case closed. Sorry if I offended you but I wont follow all other business owners in declaring public workers enemies. They arent. They put their money back into the economy. They have supported me. I reciprocate. Once they conceded the money, I had no problem with them. I agree they needed to pay their fair share. They agreed. Everything else was a power grab.

So, going by your ridiculous reasoning, it's perfectly fine to try and tear down other small businesses in your state, thereby causing even higher unemployment, simply because you don't like the fact that they will not be FORCED by threat to put up stupid fucking ridiculous signs in their windows.

You're an idiot, and as anti-american as they come.

Yeah, either prove you are with us, or we'll screw you over!

What a bunch o' scumbags.

Funny thing though, CNN showed a small business owner who was threatened by these union dirt bags, she refused to cooperate and put up the sign, went public about the bullying, and her business went up almost 30%.........Seems that this lil' tactic ain't workin' out so well for these spineless lil' boycotting douchebag pieces o' shit!

 

[Political Junky]

those civil service laws do not protect the good veteran public service workers from termination. I know of quite a few who have already gotten pink slips and have not been called back. They have been on the job for 20 plus years. They work hard. Perhaps they have a court case?

Perhaps the American people have a court-case through the Senate against Barack Obama and the treason he's comitted?

Treason? After the last administration, you're now concerned about treason?

 

[initforme]

I'm not tearing down anybody. I simply support public workers. I have a sign that says so. I dont frequent some businesses because they consider public workers enemies. Is it not my right to go to some and not others? I have always done such. Those that I agree with I support. What business is it of anybodys anyway?

 

[The T]

I have no beef with veterans. In fact, I support them. I have had quite a few bring in their stuff to be fixed. However, I have no beef with public sector workers either. They have agreed to contribute. Case closed. Sorry if I offended you but I wont follow all other business owners in declaring public workers enemies. They arent. They put their money back into the economy. They have supported me. I reciprocate. Once they conceded the money, I had no problem with them. I agree they needed to pay their fair share. They agreed. Everything else was a power grab.

So, going by your ridiculous reasoning, it's perfectly fine to try and tear down other small businesses in your state, thereby causing even higher unemployment, simply because you don't like the fact that they will not be FORCED by threat to put up stupid fucking ridiculous signs in their windows.

You're an idiot, and as anti-american as they come.

Yeah, either prove you are with us, or we'll screw you over!

What a bunch o' scumbags.

Funny thing though, CNN showed a small business owner who was threatened by these union dirt bags, she refused to cooperate and put up the sign, went public about the bullying, and her business went up almost 30%.........Seems that this lil' tactic ain't workin' out so well for these spineless lil' boycotting douchebag pieces o' shit!

Indeed. And in case the poster has forgotten, or never heard of this? Let us educate a bit...

Put up a sign or else

 

[JimH52]

]"What this is about is asking them to cough up a little more like the rest of us are having to do."[/B]They did. They agreed to this soon after the bill was introduced. Thats the point. They DID CONCEDE to pay in more. The rest was unncessesary. Now they are considered enemies of the state and are being treated as such because they actually, imagine this, stood up for themselves. The state is divided, nasty. It didnt have to be this way. Now it is a total mess. The whole situation was handled poorly. I voted for the current governor. I really did. But I didnt vote to consider many of my clients enemies. Simple common sense tells me this. The teachers of my children surely are not my enemies.

Oh I see. If it is the unions, they should share the pain like everyone else. But if it is the wealthy, well, let's give them a tax break. I see...

 

[The T]

those civil service laws do not protect the good veteran public service workers from termination. I know of quite a few who have already gotten pink slips and have not been called back. They have been on the job for 20 plus years. They work hard. Perhaps they have a court case?

Perhaps the American people have a court-case through the Senate against Barack Obama and the treason he's comitted?

Treason? After the last administration, you're now concerned about treason?

Did GWB go around the world Chastising his country? I don't think so. Did GWB circumvent the Constitution, ignore Judges? Again, NO. State he wasn't going to abide by the wishes of Congress? No again...

Did he sign alot of spending bills? YES. If it is the WAR you're after? Congress signed onto it, and continued Funding...to this day...

So...I think you're on shaky ground here as usual.

 

[SFC Ollie]

I have no beef with veterans. In fact, I support them. I have had quite a few bring in their stuff to be fixed. However, I have no beef with public sector workers either. They have agreed to contribute. Case closed. Sorry if I offended you but I wont follow all other business owners in declaring public workers enemies. They arent. They put their money back into the economy. They have supported me. I reciprocate. Once they conceded the money, I had no problem with them. I agree they needed to pay their fair share. They agreed. Everything else was a power grab.

So, going by your ridiculous reasoning, it's perfectly fine to try and tear down other small businesses in your state, thereby causing even higher unemployment, simply because you don't like the fact that they will not be FORCED by threat to put up stupid fucking ridiculous signs in their windows.

You're an idiot, and as anti-american as they come.

Yeah, either prove you are with us, or we'll screw you over!

What a bunch o' scumbags.

Funny thing though, CNN showed a small business owner who was threatened by these union dirt bags, she refused to cooperate and put up the sign, went public about the bullying, and her business went up almost 30%.........Seems that this lil' tactic ain't workin' out so well for these spineless lil' boycotting douchebag pieces o' shit!

Indeed. And in case the poster has forgotten, or never heard of this? Let us educate a bit...

Put up a sign or else

Who Polices the Police?

 

[The T]

So, going by your ridiculous reasoning, it's perfectly fine to try and tear down other small businesses in your state, thereby causing even higher unemployment, simply because you don't like the fact that they will not be FORCED by threat to put up stupid fucking ridiculous signs in their windows.

You're an idiot, and as anti-american as they come.

Yeah, either prove you are with us, or we'll screw you over!

What a bunch o' scumbags.

Funny thing though, CNN showed a small business owner who was threatened by these union dirt bags, she refused to cooperate and put up the sign, went public about the bullying, and her business went up almost 30%.........Seems that this lil' tactic ain't workin' out so well for these spineless lil' boycotting douchebag pieces o' shit!

Indeed. And in case the poster has forgotten, or never heard of this? Let us educate a bit...

Put up a sign or else

Who Polices the Police?

Citizens...naturally.

 

[geauxtohell]

There is nothing improper or illegal about these recalls. Voters in Wisconsin are exercising their 1st Amendment rights (as much as that offends conservatives here).

Even if unsuccessful, it's a message to the Wisconsin GOP that they aren't immune and will have to answer for their far right policies.

Yeah, trying to do away with wasteful spending, like unsustainable public union benefits is a far right policy.......So, when the liberal dominated legislature starts going after the same here in this great state that they have destroyed, as many are now saying they will have to do, you'll just mark it down as far right policies, correct?

LMAO!.....You damn lib's are beyond funny, to the point of being downright ridiculous in your asinine points of view.

No wonder the liberal agenda is going straight down the fucking tubes.

You are in California, right?

Have you ever heard me bitch about what happened to Gray Davis?

 

[geauxtohell]

those civil service laws do not protect the good veteran public service workers from termination. I know of quite a few who have already gotten pink slips and have not been called back. They have been on the job for 20 plus years. They work hard. Perhaps they have a court case?

Perhaps the American people have a court-case through the Senate against Barack Obama and the treason he's comitted?

Good luck with that Tank Engine.

BTW, remember Aldrich Ames?

He was convicted for his crimes.

Treason was not one of the crimes he was charged with.

Why? The legal bar for treason was intentionally set high by the founders to prevent mullet heads like you from using the law to prosecute those who you disagree with politically.

You have to love it. Even 230+ years ago, the men calling the shots knew that dumbasses like you were a danger to decent society.