Fossil Fuel Free In Ten Years

[glockmail]

The USA lower 48 states have 3,000,000+ square miles of land.

Now I am NOT saying that wind turbines are the final solution, but suggesting that we don't have room enough for them is just nuts.

How will that many wind turbines impact regional or global wind patterns?

 

[Bern80]

How will that many wind turbines impact regional or global wind patterns?

The available space is not so much my issue. It's the resulting hypoccrisy. The exact same people that are telling us we must convert to wind and solar are the same people that say we must protect mother nature, protect the green spaces, etc. The hypocrisy is that building the required wind turbines to meet demands AND get off fossil fuels would result in plowing under those very spaces.

 

[glockmail]

The available space is not so much my issue. It's the resulting hypoccrisy. The exact same people that are telling us we must convert to wind and solar are the same people that say we must protect mother nature, protect the green spaces, etc. The hypocrisy is that building the required wind turbines to meet demands AND get off fossil fuels would result in plowing under those very spaces.

Yeah that too, but no one's ever addressed what the impact of all those wind turbines would do to the wind. When you take energy out of the wind, then the wind downstream has less energy. What will that do to regional or global weather patterns?

 

[Chris]

The available space is not so much my issue. It's the resulting hypoccrisy. The exact same people that are telling us we must convert to wind and solar are the same people that say we must protect mother nature, protect the green spaces, etc. The hypocrisy is that building the required wind turbines to meet demands AND get off fossil fuels would result in plowing under those very spaces.

Why do you lie?

T. Boone is putting the wind turbines on farms in the West and the Midwest. Your level of deceit is amazing.

 

[Bern80]

Why do you lie?

T. Boone is putting the wind turbines on farms in the West and the Midwest. Your level of deceit is amazing.

You're one of those weirdos that doesn't really get the definition of the word 'lie', aren't you.

It would be a lie if you are contending that turbines would ONLY ever be put on farms. Which isn't true, not to mention the lunacy of takeing up land used for food.

 

[DiamondDave]

Kirk likes slogans... not the complete picture

 

[glockmail]

Kirk likes slogans... not the complete picture

He's blinded by partisan hate and can't see much, apparently.

 

[Chris]

You're one of those weirdos that doesn't really get the definition of the word 'lie', aren't you?

It would be a lie if you are contending that turbines would ONLY ever be put on farms. Which isn't true, not to mention the lunacy of takeing up land used for food.

Right...

There is plenty of open land in this country for wind farms. Every farmer in the Midwest could put one in, and it would not have any effect on the food supply.

 

[DiamondDave]

Right...

There is plenty of open land in this country for wind farms. Every farmer in the Midwest could put one in and it would not have any effect on the food supply.

1 per farm... stop the presses... hold the phones... stop the drilling... that amount solves EVERYTHING

 

[Chris]

1 per farm... stop the presses... hold the phones... stop the drilling... that amount solves EVERYTHING

Pretty simple really. General Electric makes the turbines here in America, so it's good for the American economy.

PickensPlan[t.+boone+pickens]

 

[DiamondDave]

Pretty simple really. General Electric makes the turbines here in America, so it's good for the American economy.

PickensPlan[t.+boone+pickens]

Nice attempt at diversion, Kirk....

But

It does not make us fossil free in 10 years and it is not a total solution

NOBODY is saying that we should not research and get more into more sources... just that it is not viable to think we can get off oil in the near term or even completely in the 20-50 year term

 

[Bern80]

Right...

There is plenty of open land in this country for wind farms. Every farmer in the Midwest could put one in, and it would not have any effect on the food supply.

So now it is your contention that farmers have extra land on top of what they use to farm to put up stands of turbines?

At a certain point people cross a line in rationalizing something to the point that they start to look pretty stupid and you sir have crossed that line a long time ago.

 

[jreeves]

Nice attempt at diversion, Kirk....

But

It does not make us fossil free in 10 years and it is not a total solution

NOBODY is saying that we should not research and get more into more sources... just that it is not viable to think we can get off oil in the near term or even completely in the 20-50 year term

Kirk is funny as hell, he still has failed to point out what is wrong with the House Republican Energy plan? Still waiting Kirk....

 

[Chris]

Nice attempt at diversion, Kirk....

But

It does not make us fossil free in 10 years and it is not a total solution

NOBODY is saying that we should not research and get more into more sources... just that it is not viable to think we can get off oil in the near term or even completely in the 20-50 year term

Republicans are such pussies. Whaaa!!! Alternative energy is hard!!!

We have to start somewhere. T. Boone has the right idea, but he can't do it alone. We need a massive effort along the lines of the Manhatten Project. It can be done.

 

[Chris]

So now it is your contention that farmers have extra land on top of what they use to farm to put up stands of turbines?

At a certain point people cross a line in rationalizing something to the point that they start to look pretty stupid and you sir have crossed that line a long time ago.

Do you read at all? T. Boone is putting up 667 turbines in Texas, and he is just scratching the surface.

There are millions of acres of land that can be used for wind power and solar power. All we need is the political will.

 

[Bern80]

Do you read at all? T. Boone is putting up 667 turbines in Texas, and he is just scratching the surface.

There are millions of acres of land that can be used for wind power and solar power. All we need is the political will.

Again missing the point, why do you - a self professed environmentalist who is suppossed to be for protecting habitat and saving the green places - WANT millions of acres of wind turbines covering the land?

The point is Kirk, there is no win/win situation. The trade off of going all solar and wind and getting totally off of fossil fuels is that a hell of a lot of land is going to be needed to do it. This is a simple fact: habitat WILL need to be cleared to provide the same amount of power currently provided by fossil fuels, which WILL have an adverse effect on animal populations. If you are all for that trade off, fine, just have the balls to admit it.

 

[Chris]

Again missing the point, why do you - a self professed environmentalist who is suppossed to be for protecting habitat and saving the green places - WANT millions of acres of wind turbines covering the land?

The point is Kirk, there is no win/win situation. The trade off of going all solar and wind and getting totally off of fossil fuels is that a hell of a lot of land is going to be needed to do it. This is a simple fact: habitat WILL need to be cleared to provide the same amount of power currently provided by fossil fuels, which WILL have an adverse effect on animal populations. If you are all for that trade off, fine, just have the balls to admit it.

Why do you lie? I never said I was an enviromentalist. I am for America first. I believe in drilling, wind power, solar power, algae based ethanol, and conservation.

No habitat will be lost. Have you ever been to the Midwest and the West. There are millions of acres of open land. Space will not be a problem.

You are offering the strangest argument against wind power I have ever seen. The Danes, who have a tiny percentage of the useable land that we do, already get 20% of their energy from wind power.

 

[glockmail]

Republicans are such pussies. Whaaa!!! Alternative energy is hard!!!

We have to start somewhere. T. Boone has the right idea, but he can't do it alone. We need a massive effort along the lines of the Manhatten Project. It can be done.

Democrats are pussies: Nuclear Power.

 

[Chris]

Democrats are pussies: Nuclear Power.

Radioactive waste - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[glockmail]

Radioactive waste - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On April 7, 1977, President Jimmy Carter announced that the United States would defer indefinitely the reprocessing of spent nuclear reactor fuel. ....President Carter's Executive Order .... [caused] three years of uncertainty about the future had wiped away further prospects for private investments in the nuclear fuel cycle. Today, twenty years later, all U.S. spent fuel remains in storage at each plant where it was used.

FRONTLINE: nuclear reaction: policy on reprocessing

Again, a liberal reacts knee-jerk and causes major problems for future generations.