Former government officials and contractors have been known to retain papers containing classified national security information and eventually donate

[excalibur]

Whoa!

And no criminal referrals from the stooges at NARA.

This entire matter is just the deep state/intelligence agencies making another attempt to stop Trump short of JFK'ing him.

"Former government officials and contractors have been known to retain papers containing classified national security information and eventually donate them to private archives."​

 

[excalibur]

 

[g5000]

Whoa!

And no criminal referrals from the stooges at NARA.

This entire matter is just the deep state/intelligence agencies making another attempt to stop Trump short of JFK'ing him.

"Former government officials and contractors have been known to retain papers containing classified national security information and eventually donate them to private archives."​

In Earlier Espionage Act Cases, Warning Signs for Trump​

​

Like former President Donald J. Trump, Lt. Col. Robert Birchum was accused in Florida of mishandling classified documents. Like the former president, he was charged with violating the Espionage Act.

But unlike Mr. Trump, Mr. Birchum, 55, a highly decorated Air Force intelligence officer, took full responsibility. His lawyer said he expressed “true remorse.” He even cooperated with investigators, providing information about how he kept hundreds of secret papers for almost a decade in his home, an overseas office and a storage pod.

Despite all that, Mr. Birchum still got three years in prison when he was sentenced this month.

[snip]

Two former analysts at the National Security Agency — Harold Martin and Nghia Hoang Pho — received nine years and five and a half years in prison, respectively, for taking classified information home.


[snip]


In April, Jeremy Brown, 48, a former Special Forces sergeant, was sentenced to seven years and three months in prison for retention of classified information as well as other crimes. Mr. Brown was briefly part of the Oath Keepers, a far-right militia, and was photographed in combat attire during the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

In that case, Mr. Brown refused to accept responsibility for wrongdoing. During his sentencing, the judge said that he had been “defiant to the end.”


[snip]


Last year, Kendra Kingsbury, an F.B.I. analyst, pleaded guilty to two counts of unlawfully retaining national security documents at her Dodge City, Kan., home. Prosecutors said she had retained 386 classified documents on hard drives and compact discs.

She is scheduled to be sentenced next week, in a case that will be watched closely by the government and Mr. Trump’s legal team. David Raskin, one of the prosecutors who handled Ms. Kingsbury’s case, is now working for Jack Smith, the special counsel leading the case against the former president.


[snip]


In 2005, Sandy Berger, Mr. Clinton’s former national security adviser, was ordered by a judge to pay a $50,000 fine for illegally taking classified documents from the National Archives. Mr. Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor, saying he made an honest mistake while preparing to testify for the 9/11 Commission.

A decade later, David H. Petraeus, another former C.I.A. director, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified materials. He was placed on probation and fined $100,000.
Mr. Petraeus had kept eight personal notebooks with highly classified information, including identities of covert assets and war strategies, and shared the notebooks with Paula Broadwell, his mistress and biographer.

In his case, prosecutors discovered a recording of Mr. Petraeus and Ms. Broadwell talking about the notebooks.


“I mean, they are highly classified, some of them,” Mr. Petraeus told her. He added, “There’s code-word stuff in there.”

Similarly, in Mr. Trump’s case, prosecutors have a potentially damning recording of the former president talking at his home in Bedminster, N.J., with a writer and a publisher working on a book related to Mark Meadows, Mr. Trump’s former chief of staff.

“Secret. This is secret information,” Mr. Trump boasts as he shows his guests a document. “Look, look at this.”



In short, nice try, dipshit.

 

[g5000]

“I’m going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.” - Donald J. Trump

 

[g5000]

 

[Rawley]

In Earlier Espionage Act Cases, Warning Signs for Trump​

​

Like former President Donald J. Trump, Lt. Col. Robert Birchum was accused in Florida of mishandling classified documents. Like the former president, he was charged with violating the Espionage Act.

But unlike Mr. Trump, Mr. Birchum, 55, a highly decorated Air Force intelligence officer, took full responsibility. His lawyer said he expressed “true remorse.” He even cooperated with investigators, providing information about how he kept hundreds of secret papers for almost a decade in his home, an overseas office and a storage pod.

Despite all that, Mr. Birchum still got three years in prison when he was sentenced this month.

[snip]

Two former analysts at the National Security Agency — Harold Martin and Nghia Hoang Pho — received nine years and five and a half years in prison, respectively, for taking classified information home.


[snip]


In April, Jeremy Brown, 48, a former Special Forces sergeant, was sentenced to seven years and three months in prison for retention of classified information as well as other crimes. Mr. Brown was briefly part of the Oath Keepers, a far-right militia, and was photographed in combat attire during the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

In that case, Mr. Brown refused to accept responsibility for wrongdoing. During his sentencing, the judge said that he had been “defiant to the end.”


[snip]


Last year, Kendra Kingsbury, an F.B.I. analyst, pleaded guilty to two counts of unlawfully retaining national security documents at her Dodge City, Kan., home. Prosecutors said she had retained 386 classified documents on hard drives and compact discs.

She is scheduled to be sentenced next week, in a case that will be watched closely by the government and Mr. Trump’s legal team. David Raskin, one of the prosecutors who handled Ms. Kingsbury’s case, is now working for Jack Smith, the special counsel leading the case against the former president.


[snip]


In 2005, Sandy Berger, Mr. Clinton’s former national security adviser, was ordered by a judge to pay a $50,000 fine for illegally taking classified documents from the National Archives. Mr. Berger pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor, saying he made an honest mistake while preparing to testify for the 9/11 Commission.

A decade later, David H. Petraeus, another former C.I.A. director, pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of mishandling classified materials. He was placed on probation and fined $100,000.
Mr. Petraeus had kept eight personal notebooks with highly classified information, including identities of covert assets and war strategies, and shared the notebooks with Paula Broadwell, his mistress and biographer.

In his case, prosecutors discovered a recording of Mr. Petraeus and Ms. Broadwell talking about the notebooks.


“I mean, they are highly classified, some of them,” Mr. Petraeus told her. He added, “There’s code-word stuff in there.”

Similarly, in Mr. Trump’s case, prosecutors have a potentially damning recording of the former president talking at his home in Bedminster, N.J., with a writer and a publisher working on a book related to Mark Meadows, Mr. Trump’s former chief of staff.

“Secret. This is secret information,” Mr. Trump boasts as he shows his guests a document. “Look, look at this.”



In short, nice try, dipshit.

And Hillary and Biden- nothing. So which precedent is a judge or jury to follow?

 

[g5000]

And Hillary and Biden- nothing. So which precedent is a judge or jury to follow?

Trump is not being indicted for the government property he turned over, including the 197 classified documents he turned over.

And that is where all similarity to Biden or Pence or Clinton ends.

Trump has been indicted for those documents he deliberately hid from the rightful owners. He is being indicted for lying to his own lawyer and having him sign a statement that everything had been returned.

If you dumb fucks would read the goddam indictment, you would stop sounding so retarded.

 

[g5000]

Trump Prosecutors Struggled Over Motives. Then They Heard the Tape.​

What turned the tide was an audio tape and other evidence investigators confirmed around February from meetings Trump held almost two years earlier and a thousand miles from the former president’s Palm Beach, Fla., resort, according to people familiar with the matter.

That crucial evidence, along with notes from a Trump lawyer describing his response to the investigation, helped spur prosecutors to push forward with a criminal case, the people said—an unprecedented step that might have been avoided if Trump had cooperated even late last year, as some of his lawyers had urged him to do.

 

[excalibur]

In short, nice try, dipshit.

Has nothing to do with a former President or the OP. And nice try, dipshit, right back at ya!

 

[excalibur]

"One of the first things we must do is to enforce all classification rules and to enforce all laws relating to the handling of classified information." - Donald J. Trump

Against leakers. Dipshit (see, 2 can play the name calling game).

 

[excalibur]

Trump has been indicted for those documents he deliberately hid from the rightful owners.

Trump is the 'rightful' owner. Like Bill Clinton was proclaimed in the Clinton sock drawer tapes issue and which the DOJ sided with Bill Clinton.

44 U.S. Code § 2205 - Exceptions to restricted access​

​

...​

​

(3) the Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President​

44 U.S. Code § 2205 - Exceptions to restricted access

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Rawley]

Trump is not being indicted for the government property he turned over, including the 197 classified documents he turned over.

And that is where all similarity to Biden or Pence or Clinton ends.

Trump has been indicted for those documents he deliberately hid from the rightful owners. He is being indicted for lying to his own lawyer and having him sign a statement that everything had been returned.

True. FBI and DOJ started a criminal investigation and Grand Jury weeks after Trump voluntarily returned docs back to NARA. CLinton and Biden - Bupkis

If you dumb fucks would read the goddam indictment, you would stop sounding so retarded.

Backatcha And perhaps you wouldn't sound like an ignorant stooge for souless politicians that couldn't care less about you.

 

[Rawley]

Trump is the 'rightful' owner. Like Bill Clinton was proclaimed in the Clinton sock drawer tapes issue and which the DOJ sided with Bill Clinton.

44 U.S. Code § 2205 - Exceptions to restricted access​

​

...​

​

(3) the Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President​

44 U.S. Code § 2205 - Exceptions to restricted access

www.law.cornell.edu

She's been given her talking points and she's sticking to them. Facts be damned. (You have to love the indignant ad hominem - nice touch, right?0

 

[merrill]

Trump had ample time to return the documents. He chose not and flipped the powers that be the finger. Soooo dumb.

Then Trump has offered up many lies. We know he moved these documents around. His wanting to over throw the USA
as Jan 6th documented makes him ineligible to be president.
The entire fake republican Anti American Fascist Party sucks.

Throw them all in jail. The party has become an un-American
activity.

 

[whitehall]

Everybody did it. You could probably visit any presidential library and get access to classified stuff that was out dated a year after it was classified.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

FBI and DOJ started a criminal investigation and Grand Jury weeks after Trump voluntarily returned docs back to NARA.

If he voluntarily returned docs back to NARA, why were they still in his house when the FBI searched it?

 

[Rawley]

If he voluntarily returned docs back to NARA, why were they still in his house when the FBI searched it?

You can ask the same of Biden. Four different searches were made of his homes and offices. And they found more docs on every search. And he didn't have 1/10th the volume that Trump had.

The real question was why the FBI and DOJ so quickly turned this into a criminal matter when it was a civil matter between the former President and NARA and he was cooperating and voluntarily turning over documents. It's sure a question that will be raised at trial (of it goes that far).

Another question is why NARA didn't take custody of all of the docs and temporarily store them for him in Florida, like they did for every other President. NARA told Trump to fuck himself, he's was on his own when he left office.

 

[Marener]

And Hillary and Biden- nothing. So which precedent is a judge or jury to follow?

The same precedent the government has used to prosecute people who take classified information and hide it from the government.

It happens all the time.

 

[Care4all]

Trump is the 'rightful' owner. Like Bill Clinton was proclaimed in the Clinton sock drawer tapes issue and which the DOJ sided with Bill Clinton.

44 U.S. Code § 2205 - Exceptions to restricted access​

​

...​

​

(3) the Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President​

44 U.S. Code § 2205 - Exceptions to restricted access

www.law.cornell.edu

Excalibur, start with #1 in the provision....
It tells us the exceptions of who can get access to the presidential records, during the first 5 years after the president leaves office...Starting in #1 with the clerks sorting the records for the Archive

NOTE! It says these presidential records are in the custody of the Archives. NOT in the custody of the President.

#2 is who can otherwise legally get the presidential records....for a civil or criminal investigation, the incumbent president with purpose, and either house congressional committees in need can get access from the ARCHIVES.

And #3
States the former President or his designated aide can get access from the ARCHIVES.

No where does it state in this clause that the former president keeps custody of the presidential records....

This is about the Presidential records which are put in the national archive custody, and who will have access to them through the Archives.

NO WHERE does it state the former president manages or keeps custody of them on his own property.

So, I'm uncertain what your post is trying to say?

44 U.S. Code § 2205 - Exceptions to restricted acces​

(1)
the Archivist and persons employed by the National Archives and Records Administration who are engaged in the performance of normal archival work shall be permitted access to Presidential records in the custody of the Archivist;




(2)subject to any rights, defenses, or privileges which the United States or any agency or person may invoke, Presidential records shall be made available—
(A)
pursuant to subpoena or other judicial process issued by a court of competent jurisdiction for the purposes of any civil or criminal investigation or proBceeding;
(B)
to an incumbent President if such records contain information that is needed for the conduct of current business of the incumbent President’s office and that is not otherwise available; and
(C)
to either House of Congress, or, to the extent of matter within its jurisdiction, to any committee or subcommittee thereof if such records contain information that is needed for the conduct of its business and that is not otherwise available; and


(3)
the Presidential records of a former President shall be available to such former President or the former President’s designated representative.
(Added Pub. L. 95–591, § 2(a), Nov. 4, 1978, 92 Stat. 2527; amended Pub. L. 98–497, title I, § 107(b)(7), Oct. 19, 1984, 98 Stat. 2287; Pub. L. 113–187, §§ 2(a)(2)(B), 8(5), Nov. 26, 2014, 128 Stat. 2005, 2012.)

 

[Care4all]

You can ask the same of Biden. Four different searches were made of his homes and offices. And they found more docs on every search. And he didn't have 1/10th the volume that Trump had.

The real question was why the FBI and DOJ so quickly turned this into a criminal matter when it was a civil matter between the former President and NARA and he was cooperating and voluntarily turning over documents. It's sure a question that will be raised at trial (of it goes that far).

Another question is why NARA didn't take custody of all of the docs and temporarily store them for him in Florida, like they did for every other President. NARA told Trump to fuck himself, he's was on his own when he left office.

By law, the archives had to make a referral to the FBI when they found over 100 classified documents, some top secret, in the 15 cases that Trump finally returned to the Archives in January of 2022.

This happened with Hillary Clinton as well.... When the archives got her SOS records finally and began the sorting and filing, 4 email chains among her staffers were found to have top secret classified information in them, so the Archives had to refer her records/email to the FBI per protocol, and that is when the FBI subpoenaed her server.

The FBI has to be notified by the Archives so they can do an assessment on the top secret info found, and who else might have gotten their hands on them, if anyone.

Trump lying about the top secret, and defense documents, and classified documents that he still had to the FBI, and having his lawyers lie to the FBI under an affidavit about returning them all, and him not returning them all, is where his trouble began, and where he caused his own problems, that others did not do