"Foreign policy experience"

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    Everyone keeps saying that Obama does not have enough "Foreign policy experience", to be President :confused:

    What experience, in foreign affairs did our last five presidents have before they took office?

    Most of them were Governors - what "foreign expierence" did they have?

    As I see it, possibly George Herbert Walker Bush had the most experience? And he wasn't all that great. Right? Wrong?


    James Earl Carter, Jr., (President 1977-1981)
    Georgia State Senator, 1963-66
    Governor of Georgia, 1971-75

    Ronald Wilson Reagan, (President 1981-1989)
    Governor of California, 1967-75

    George Herbert Walker Bush, (President 1989-1993)
    Member of U.S. House of Representatives, 1967-71
    U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, 1971-72
    Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, 1976-77
    Vice President, 1981-89 (under Reagan)

    William Jefferson Clinton, (President 1993-2001)
    Arkansas Attorney General, 1976-78
    Governor of Arkansas, 1978-80, 1982-92

    George Walker Bush, (President 2001-2008)
    Governor of Texas, 1995-2000

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    Actually Obama has a lot of experience. He is on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and has been getting the secret CIA briefings for years. None of those ex-governors could say the same.
     
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    Bush and Fox were thick as thieves while he was Governor. The Governor of Texas has a lot of PR with Mexico. We share a pretty big border with them.
     
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    So leaving our border open to illegals counts as foreign policy experience?
     
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    "Foreign policy experience" is another one of those election-year gimmicks. Why hasn't this been an issue in past election years, when many candidates (including those who eventually won the presidency) had little foreign policy experience? Does anyone remember back in 2000 when that local journalist quizzed then-Governor Bush on Chechnya, India, Taiwan, and Pakistan (4 hot spots of the day), and Bush failed the quiz? And how much more does McCain know on international developments than Obama does? Let's be real here. Foreign policy is guided by lobby groups, industrial interests, PR firms, the Pentagon, and not by the president. Not even by the congressional committee on foreign relations...do you actually think these folks are knowledgeable on world affairs and are not susceptible to propaganda (or even bribes) from special interests? Let's be real here, folks.

    But, foreign policy has suddenly become the buzzword of this election year, like stem-cell research was in 2004. Pick a buzzword, repeat it several times in the media, and convince the American public that they actually have a chance to steer their country in the right direction by debating the chosen topic of the day. It's all an illusion, yet the public is duped everytime. So-and-so believes this, so-and-so believes that...so-and-so has experience on this and that... This is all completely absurd, yet the public gobbles it up like a supersized BicMac meal.

    The reality is, I don't see major differences between a McCain presidency and an Obama presidency regarding foreign policy. The McCain presidency will be very hawkish and the Obama presidency will be very naive and vulnerable to special interests. Either way, we'll get the same foreign policy. Only the lingo will change. Democrats will make it their mission to "defend human rights" while Republicans will "fight terrorists and promote democracy". Different words, same thing. Beneath the rhetoric, we can expect a foreign policy driven by economic and geostrategic interests: pipelines, military bases, crude oil and natural gas reserves, shipping routes, continental shelves and undersea drilling, markets and free market agreements, and the like. This will drive foreign policy, and don't expect much of a difference between Democrats and Republicans.
     
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    Foreign policy is important this year because of our failing foreign relations over the last eight.
     
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    Actually I think overall George Bush the elder did a fairly good job on the foreign policy front.

    Also I also credit that Bush I's tax increases for setting up Clinton such that Clinton could balance the budget.

    Bush II, of course, completely blew all his father's fine work on behalf of americans' futures completely out of the water.
     
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    Daddy Bush did a good job on foreign policy... which is why he had about a 90% approval rating at the end of Gulf I.... but it was the economy that got him... that and his not knowing what a supermarket scanner was.

    unfortunately, his son is an ijit who said he listened to "THE Father" instead of "HIS father" when he went into Iraq....
     
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    Agreed.

    But his based abandoned him because he renigned on his "read my lips no new taxes" promise.

    Had he NOT done the right thing, he might very well have won a second term.
     
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    Obama has stated that his foreign policy experience consists of " being 10years old and living in Indonesia":doubt:. No one is weaker than this braniac on foreign policy. Even Clinton and Biden mocked him on this point.
     

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