For those who do not believe in science, do they believe in history

[Rigby5]

Not flattening the curve results in more sick people than our hospitals can handle. That results in more deaths from many diseases other than COVID because our hospitals cannot service all people who need their services.
Flattening the curve ALONG WITH VACCINES has the same results as not flattening curve without having as many sick people and hospital overcrowding.

You are a purveyor of lies. You take some fact and then mix it with your lies. You are a con man who can kill many and harm our country.

Wrong.
Never have hospitals been over crowded, and FEMA always had mobile units available, that were NEVER requested.
And the normal end of any epidemic is the initial spike, so back then there was no accumulated back log of patient. The hospitals back then were empty.
Flattening the cure kept the epidemic going for over a year and a half, when normally it would have been all over in 2 months.
So we killed over ten times the number of people who would have died if we had NOT flattened the curve.

The vaccines are irrelevant because they did not come out until over a year later, much too late to do any good.

Your side that deliberately extended the epidemic could only have been motivate by vaccine profits.
Flattening the curve makes absolutely no rational sense, and could only have been to prevent the epidemic from burning out early on, as they always normally do.

 

[Independentthinker]

For those who do not believe in science, do they believe in history. What do the uneducated need to hear before they do what is required to defeat a virus that is ravaging our country?
It is one thing when stupid people do stupid things that hurt them but now stupid peoples refusal to get vaccinated is resulting in hurting all including very innocent children. Too bad we do not have a vaccine that cures stupidity.

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It's disgusting that the left and the government would force people to get vaccines that have killed people and caused thousands of extremely serious adverse medical events.

 

[Rigby5]

Even though I think these mRNA vaccines were rushed and risky, I took them anyway.
But they still make no sense and are not a good idea, because clearly we should NOT be trying to "flatten the curve" for over a year, waiting for badly done vaccines.
Instead, like we have always done in history, we should have encouraged the initial spike so that the epidemic runs out of easy hosts and ends completely.
That would have saved over half a million lives.

 

[ElmerMudd]

It's disgusting that the left and the government would force people to get vaccines that have killed people and caused thousands of extremely serious adverse medical events.

document one person who has died from the vaccine. I can document over 600,000 who have died from COVID.

Multiple hundred's of thousands of people with severe underlying conditions have taken the vaccine and there are no documented deaths.

Independent no thinker is full of shit to put it mildly.

 

[skye]

Leftists: I have a dangly bit but I'm a woman!!!!

Science

lol yes!!!!

 

[ElmerMudd]

Wrong.
Never have hospitals been over crowded, and FEMA always had mobile units available, that were NEVER requested.
And the normal end of any epidemic is the initial spike, so back then there was no accumulated back log of patient. The hospitals back then were empty.
Flattening the cure kept the epidemic going for over a year and a half, when normally it would have been all over in 2 months.
So we killed over ten times the number of people who would have died if we had NOT flattened the curve.

The vaccines are irrelevant because they did not come out until over a year later, much too late to do any good.

Your side that deliberately extended the epidemic could only have been motivate by vaccine profits.
Flattening the curve makes absolutely no rational sense, and could only have been to prevent the epidemic from burning out early on, as they always normally do.

Rigby has just stated a blatant lie. You can read multiple news sources, from the far right to the far left, that document what he says is a bold face lie.

How can a person be such a dumb ass, that he would make a statement, that just about every human in the US, knows is a lie.

People who cannot deal with reality are often institutionalized before they hurt themselves or others.

These 6 States Have Almost No ICU Beds Left As Covid Hospitalizations Soar

With Covid-19 infections climbing nationwide, some communities are facing a hospital capacity crunch.

www.forbes.com

 

[ElmerMudd]

While I am at this time fully vaccinated against COVID-19 I made the decision to do so realizing there may be some risk. Time will tell.

In the past there have been questions about vaccines.

ANTHRAX VACCINE

Anthrax Vaccine Presents Long Term Side Effects

There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the anthrax vaccine contributed to the collective chronic illnesses and disabilities known as Gulf War Syndrome.

ptsdlawyers.com

The shadow of anthrax: The voluntary COVID-19 vaccination effort owes much to past failures

The voluntary COVID-19 vaccine effort stands in stark contrast to the Pentagon’s mandatory Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program, which began in 1998. Those who refused often faced harsh penalties.

www.armytimes.com

Anthrax Vaccine Immunization Program - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

SWINE FLU VACCINE

The fiasco of the 1976 ‘swine flu affair’

With a pandemic looming, the US president announced a warp-speed effort to vaccinate every man, woman and child in the country. The mistakes that followed hold lessons for today.

www.bbc.com

COVID-19 Vaccines

Vaccines are seen as one of the best ways to stop COVID-19. Learn more about the types of vaccines, including the newly approved Novavax.

www.webmd.com

Put all those who do not want a vaccine in Texas and let them infect each other and not the normal people in the USA.

 

[Rigby5]

document one person who has died from the vaccine. I can document over 600,000 who have died from COVID.

Multiple hundred's of thousands of people with severe underlying conditions have taken the vaccine and there are no documented deaths.

Independent no thinker is full of shit to put it mildly.

That is a lie.
Over 6,000 people have died from these vaccines.

COVID-19 Vaccination

COVID-19 vaccines protect against COVID-19. Get safety info and more.

www.cdc.gov

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• Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 369 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through August 30, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,218 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].

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https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2021-05-12/07-COVID-Shimabukuro-508.pdf

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Update: Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) following COVID-19 vaccination Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) May 12, 2021
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And NO, there has not be a single death ever attributed to covid-19.
Every single person who died after contracting covid-19, was killed by a deadly autoimmune response, and NOT the virus.
The virus is incapable of killing anyone as far as anyone knows.

 

[Batcat]

Put all those who do not want a vaccine in Texas and let them infect each other and not the normal people in the USA.

Well I understand there are already a lot of people in Texas who are not natives and have the coronavirus or one of its variations.

They are among the illegal aliens Biden is allowing to enter our nation through our open border with Mexican.

18%-20% of illegal immigrants coming into US have COVID-19, report says

Over 20 percent of illegal immigrant unaccompanied minors and 18 percent of family units who recently crossed the U.S.-Mexico border have tested positive

americanmilitarynews.com

 

[Rigby5]

Rigby has just stated a blatant lie. You can read multiple news sources, from the far right to the far left, that document what he says is a bold face lie.

How can a person be such a dumb ass, that he would make a statement, that just about every human in the US, knows is a lie.

People who cannot deal with reality are often institutionalized before they hurt themselves or others.

These 6 States Have Almost No ICU Beds Left As Covid Hospitalizations Soar

With Covid-19 infections climbing nationwide, some communities are facing a hospital capacity crunch.

www.forbes.com

You can not even state what you disagree with, much less then have the right to call anything a lie.
The science is clear.
The longer you allow an epidemic to exist, since it double every 12 days, you can't possibly ever end it or do any good by "flattening the curve".
It still grows when you "flatten the curve".
So the longer you "flatten the curve", the worse off we all are.
The only good strategies are those that are quick.
Full quarantine is quick.
Variolation is quick.
They can end it.
Flattening the curve is not quick and can not end it.

 

[Rigby5]

Put all those who do not want a vaccine in Texas and let them infect each other and not the normal people in the USA.

Everyone wants a vaccine!
But these mRNA synthetic spike protein injections are not vaccines.
They could easily sensitize the immune system so that it starts to attack our own natural spike proteins, exosomes.

 

[Independentthinker]

document one person who has died from the vaccine. I can document over 600,000 who have died from COVID.

Multiple hundred's of thousands of people with severe underlying conditions have taken the vaccine and there are no documented deaths.

Independent no thinker is full of shit to put it mildly.

OK, go ahead and document the 600,000.

 

[Rigby5]

Rigby has just stated a blatant lie. You can read multiple news sources, from the far right to the far left, that document what he says is a bold face lie.

How can a person be such a dumb ass, that he would make a statement, that just about every human in the US, knows is a lie.

People who cannot deal with reality are often institutionalized before they hurt themselves or others.

These 6 States Have Almost No ICU Beds Left As Covid Hospitalizations Soar

With Covid-19 infections climbing nationwide, some communities are facing a hospital capacity crunch.

www.forbes.com

Does your link say they ran out of ICU beds?
No.
So they have been making the same claim for a year and a half now, that they are "running out" of ICU beds.
When the obvious reality is that almost none of those in those ICU beds have to be there.
None of the covid patients should be there.
No one infected with covid needs an ICU bed or a ventilator.
And according to all the studies from Europe and Japan, being immobilized in an ICU bed, in a chemically induced coma, with a ventilator tube stuck down your throat, its totally WRONG to do, and is a death sentence.
All the experts say you have to keep patients conscious so they can keep rolling over, to drain the lungs.
If instead you immobilize them with drugs, they will drown in their own lymphatic fluids.

 

[ElmerMudd]

OK, go ahead and document the 600,000.

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Total number of COVID deaths in the U.S. by state 2023 | Statista

As of March 2023, the state with the most COVID deaths had over 101,000 deaths.

www.statista.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Deaths

This page provides data on the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

States ranked by COVID-19 death rates

As of October 29, more than 743,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

 

[ElmerMudd]

Does your link say they ran out of ICU beds?
No.
So they have been making the same claim for a year and a half now, that they are "running out" of ICU beds.
When the obvious reality is that almost none of those in those ICU beds have to be there.
None of the covid patients should be there.
No one infected with covid needs an ICU bed or a ventilator.
And according to all the studies from Europe and Japan, being immobilized in an ICU bed, in a chemically induced coma, with a ventilator tube stuck down your throat, its totally WRONG to do, and is a death sentence.
All the experts say you have to keep patients conscious so they can keep rolling over, to drain the lungs.
If instead you immobilize them with drugs, they will drown in their own lymphatic fluids.

Go tell your fantasy story to healthcare workers. They are the front lines. They know what is going on. They know what works and does not work. You are a certified idiot.
You show no respect to the front line fighters on the war on the virus, healthcare workers. In WWII you would sit on your fat ass in the US and tell the soldiers dying fighting the war, they are doing it all wrong.
You are not dealing with the real world. You are a blowhard. You are beyond disgusting.

DEFINE_ME

The Mental Health of Healthcare Workers in COVID-19

COVID-19 has had a profound negative effect on the mental health of the nation, especially among those who are faced with combating the virus.

mhanational.org

COVID-19 and healthcare workers: A systematic review and meta-analysis

The COVID-19 pandemic has focused attention on the challenges and risks faced by frontline healthcare workers (HCW). This study aimed to describe the …

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[ElmerMudd]

Everyone wants a vaccine!
But these mRNA synthetic spike protein injections are not vaccines.
They could easily sensitize the immune system so that it starts to attack our own natural spike proteins, exosomes.

Scientists except for a few nut cases disagree with you. If the vast majority of those who know science endorse it it i s good.
If you were around when the wheel was invented you would have claimed it to be a bad idea with a bunch bullshit saying why it was a bad idea, like you are doing about the vaccine.

AAAS

www.science.org

COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know

Now that COVID-19 vaccines are authorized, here are the facts you need now.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

 

[Rigby5]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Total number of COVID deaths in the U.S. by state 2023 | Statista

As of March 2023, the state with the most COVID deaths had over 101,000 deaths.

www.statista.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Deaths

This page provides data on the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

States ranked by COVID-19 death rates

As of October 29, more than 743,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

False.
Those deaths were the result of suffocation from being unable to breath, due to the lungs filling with fluid.
Covid-19 doesn't and can't fill the lungs with fluid, so they were not directly killed by covid-19.

 

[Rigby5]

Scientists except for a few nut cases disagree with you. If the vast majority of those who know science endorse it it i s good.
If you were around when the wheel was invented you would have claimed it to be a bad idea with a bunch bullshit saying why it was a bad idea, like you are doing about the vaccine.

AAAS

www.science.org

COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know

Now that COVID-19 vaccines are authorized, here are the facts you need now.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Wrong.
All the scientists who developed mRNA techniques, like Dr Robert Malone, say it is a very bad idea to just grown synthetic spike proteins and call that a vaccine.
If nothing else, the spike proteins are so much smaller than a virus, that they can move around and then cause problems where the immune system attacks them.
Our own body produces the same spike proteins for exosomes, so these fake vaccines can easily cause a deadly autoimmune response.

 

[Independentthinker]

United States COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

United States Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.

www.worldometers.info

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Total number of COVID deaths in the U.S. by state 2023 | Statista

As of March 2023, the state with the most COVID deaths had over 101,000 deaths.

www.statista.com

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Deaths

This page provides data on the number of confirmed deaths from COVID-19.

ourworldindata.org

States ranked by COVID-19 death rates

As of October 29, more than 743,000 people in the U.S. had died after contracting COVID-19, according to The New York Times.

www.beckershospitalreview.com

Man, did I trick your ass on that. That is not documentation. Prove that any of those people actually died from Covid. Just pick one out them. If you are going to use numbers like that then it is perfectly fine for me to say that the CDC's own numbers document over 6200 people dying shortly after being vaccinated.