Flint water crisis investigation: the plot thickens

[bullwinkle]

The water crisis brought the crumbling infrastructure of old towns like Flint forefront, but the crisis is all over the old industrial east. A massive investment in America is becoming vital if we are to survive as a viable nation. If we don't attend to our clay feet we will topple. How much longer can our golden head be safe, as in best military and bounding markets, if our foundation is crumbling? An investigation as a means to determine future actions could be helpful, but action in the form of a fix is much more necessary right now. And there is so much to learn on how to proceed, such as the fact that the offending lines are not mapped. It will take archaeology to find those darn pipes underground leading to old homes.

Manslaughter charges possible in Flint water crisis, says top investigator

 

[JimBowie1958]

The water crisis brought the crumbling infrastructure of old towns like Flint forefront, but the crisis is all over the old industrial east. A massive investment in America is becoming vital if we are to survive as a viable nation. If we don't attend to our clay feet we will topple. How much longer can our golden head be safe, as in best military and bounding markets, if our foundation is crumbling? An investigation as a means to determine future actions could be helpful, but action in the form of a fix is much more necessary right now. And there is so much to learn on how to proceed, such as the fact that the offending lines are not mapped. It will take archaeology to find those darn pipes underground leading to old homes.

Manslaughter charges possible in Flint water crisis, says top investigator

You know, I dont think that there is so much of a single person who chose to victimise people as it is just a case of ubiquitous deteriorating lead pipes

Maybe the best solution would be to pool all this money budgeted on legal action and put it to REPLACING THE FUCKING PIPES INSTEAD.

You know actually doing something rather than making more lawyers fat and obnoxious.

 

[saveliberty]

There are chemicals which render the lead inert. Water treatment specialists are trained chemists who hold permits for operating a treatment plant. They are suppose to know what needs to be in the water to make it safe. As far as I am concerned those people are the most to blame for not doing their jobs. Next it is the Flint City Council for voting to approve these changes.

 

[Rouge Rover]

There are chemicals which render the lead inert. Water treatment specialists are trained chemists who hold permits for operating a treatment plant. They are suppose to know what needs to be in the water to make it safe. As far as I am concerned those people are the most to blame for not doing their jobs. Next it is the Flint City Council for voting to approve these changes.

Flint drew water from the Flint River for several days every year when the river was the backup source. There were no problems reported so why would they think anything was wrong? I think the blame here lies equally with the EPA and the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality who got themselves into a pissing match and lawyered up instead of caring about what was right.

 

[saveliberty]

There are chemicals which render the lead inert. Water treatment specialists are trained chemists who hold permits for operating a treatment plant. They are suppose to know what needs to be in the water to make it safe. As far as I am concerned those people are the most to blame for not doing their jobs. Next it is the Flint City Council for voting to approve these changes.

Flint drew water from the Flint River for several days every year when the river was the backup source. There were no problems reported so why would they think anything was wrong? I think the blame here lies equally with the EPA and the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality who got themselves into a pissing match and lawyered up instead of caring about what was right.

Because chemists understand about reactions between acids and lead.

 

[Rouge Rover]

There are chemicals which render the lead inert. Water treatment specialists are trained chemists who hold permits for operating a treatment plant. They are suppose to know what needs to be in the water to make it safe. As far as I am concerned those people are the most to blame for not doing their jobs. Next it is the Flint City Council for voting to approve these changes.

Flint drew water from the Flint River for several days every year when the river was the backup source. There were no problems reported so why would they think anything was wrong? I think the blame here lies equally with the EPA and the Michigan Department of Environmental Quality who got themselves into a pissing match and lawyered up instead of caring about what was right.

Because chemists understand about reactions between acids and lead.

Chemists aren't out taking samples from houses. The EPA did that and they knew there was a problem but they didn't warn the public. The regional director was more concerned about legal action against the Michigan environmental quality people.

 

[DGS49]

Having worked in the water treatment business for several years (in the past) I have seen many instances when seemingly innocuous actions or changes have had serious health ramifications that were only apparent in hindsight. Also, buried water (and wastewater) pipes and valves are the classic example of problems that can be ignored for decades, especially when fixing them is ungodly expensive.

The only reason why this story is getting so much play is because the governor is a Republican. If he were a democrat (the mayor is a democrat, of course), this would be seen as an unfortunate development from a decision that seemed appropriate at the time.

Which is all it is.

 

[Rouge Rover]

Having worked in the water treatment business for several years (in the past) I have seen many instances when seemingly innocuous actions or changes have had serious health ramifications that were only apparent in hindsight. Also, buried water (and wastewater) pipes and valves are the classic example of problems that can be ignored for decades, especially when fixing them is ungodly expensive.

The only reason why this story is getting so much play is because the governor is a Republican. If he were a democrat (the mayor is a democrat, of course), this would be seen as an unfortunate development from a decision that seemed appropriate at the time.

Which is all it is.

The emergency manager law seems to be the real target here and if Snyder and the GOP can be harmed that's a bonus to some people.

 

[saveliberty]

Chemists aren't out taking samples from houses. The EPA did that and they knew there was a problem but they didn't warn the public. The regional director was more concerned about legal action against the Michigan environmental quality people.

Rouge, the treatment people are fully aware that many older homes had lead pipes. Chances are good if your home is pre 1960 it has lead pipes leading from the street to your house. They certainly were taking Flint River pre and post treatment samples, that is law.

 

[Rouge Rover]

Chemists aren't out taking samples from houses. The EPA did that and they knew there was a problem but they didn't warn the public. The regional director was more concerned about legal action against the Michigan environmental quality people.

Rouge, the treatment people are fully aware that many older homes had lead pipes. Chances are good if your home is pre 1960 it has lead pipes leading from the street to your house. They certainly were taking Flint River pre and post treatment samples, that is law.

Were the people working in the treatment plants responsible for taking samples from homes? The EPA was the organization doing that and they knew in 2014 there was a potential problem.

 

[bucs90]

As I've said....America's future is in the South and Texas. For all the hate the libs have for the South....eventually they'll either move here or waste away in some Northern rust belt shit hole.

The old industrial North is rotting away under liberalism. High crippling taxes failed and now the South is booming....while the North is poisoning it's people haha.

 

[Penelope]

I think they put too much chorine in the water, its the local water plants fault, in my opinion.

 

[Penelope]

As I've said....America's future is in the South and Texas. For all the hate the libs have for the South....eventually they'll either move here or waste away in some Northern rust belt shit hole.

The old industrial North is rotting away under liberalism. High crippling taxes failed and now the South is booming....while the North is poisoning it's people haha.

The cockroaches are nasty down there, not to mention the termites.

 

[bullwinkle]

Having worked in the water treatment business for several years (in the past) I have seen many instances when seemingly innocuous actions or changes have had serious health ramifications that were only apparent in hindsight. Also, buried water (and wastewater) pipes and valves are the classic example of problems that can be ignored for decades, especially when fixing them is ungodly expensive.

The only reason why this story is getting so much play is because the governor is a Republican. If he were a democrat (the mayor is a democrat, of course), this would be seen as an unfortunate development from a decision that seemed appropriate at the time.

Which is all it is.

DGS, your belief that the political party of the Governor is the determining factor in the outrage is off mark. While I have always believed the switch was an innocent error, as in all things, it is the coverup that is the outrage. And your implication that Granholm would have escaped blame under the same circumstances is wrong, especially when lives and futures are at stake. But I think I know the source of your contention. It is that the Democrats in DC are holding a hearing even as we post that Republicans have refused to attend, or even acknowledge as far as I can tell. And I believe that the minority party cannot bring an investigation before Congress, so they go off in a corner and have their own unofficial hearing, same as after the Sago mine disaster. So that makes it look political and we all go to our corners to wait for the next Pavlovian bell. I think you are not wrong to point out the political opportunism of this event, neither side is above that. But I do not believe Gov. Snyder doesn't care, nor do I think a Democrat would escape blame under the same circumstances.

 

[JimBowie1958]

As I've said....America's future is in the South and Texas. For all the hate the libs have for the South....eventually they'll either move here or waste away in some Northern rust belt shit hole.

The old industrial North is rotting away under liberalism. High crippling taxes failed and now the South is booming....while the North is poisoning it's people haha.

The cockroaches are nasty down there, not to mention the termites.

Build your house on a high stone/cement foundation and periodically scrape off any termite tunnels that grow along it.

 

[KingOfCars]

As I've said....America's future is in the South and Texas. For all the hate the libs have for the South....eventually they'll either move here or waste away in some Northern rust belt shit hole.

The old industrial North is rotting away under liberalism. High crippling taxes failed and now the South is booming....while the North is poisoning it's people haha.

Good God I hope not. I've seen a pattern of Liberals moving into a conservative place, changing it with their fucked up policies and procedures, then moving when it gets shitty, only to move to another place and repeat their brain damaged process.

 

[Muhammed]

The ancient Romans used lead pipes and their government officials probably went batshit crazy because of heavy metal poisoning.

 

[jc456]

There are chemicals which render the lead inert. Water treatment specialists are trained chemists who hold permits for operating a treatment plant. They are suppose to know what needs to be in the water to make it safe. As far as I am concerned those people are the most to blame for not doing their jobs. Next it is the Flint City Council for voting to approve these changes.

I still don't get it. what does the water source have to do with this?