Federal judge rules in favor of Abrams to delay state certification, protect provisional ballots

[DJT for Life]

This thing gets to the Supreme Court they will throw out all 78,000 of
those ballots in Broward County that appeared in a closest after the
election.

do you have a legitimate news link to this???

That's an opinion. An educated guess if you prefer.

 

[Care4all]

It is not harmful to a democracy...it is the cornerstone of a democracy.
It's called "Checks and Balances." It's called maintaining the integrity
of the election.

that count 30 minutes after the polls closing and subsequent counts, was not written for the integrity of the vote, they were written to make it easier for the MEDIA to report on it.... has nothing to do with vote integrity.

 

[DJT for Life]

What is with all of the delays being allowed? Is she expecting to find a couple of trucks of votes in her favor? You guys voted last Tuesday, I mean, they don't even know how many votes are outstanding.

Federal judge rules in favor of Abrams to delay state certification, protect provisional ballots

It will happen.

It is required by law to already have the number of ballots collected reported and the number of ballots checked reported. There should not be one 'new' ballot.

BTW, the order to preserve ballots is the same order the Broward Country Election Official violated when caught destroying ballots....

Were you in Russia or diapers during the 2000 recount?

Every ruling from the Florida courts ruled in favor of the citizen's vote being counted and through out every objection brought to court regarding legal timelines being missed, the courts REJECTED the arbitrary timelines, until the US Supreme court came in and stopped the vote count to hand on a gold platter, GWB the win.

The lawsuit of Scott's this past week on timelines, was rejected by the judge yesterday.

So, the judge, who is a conservative Judge, ruled against Scott, and is taking the same stance and following legal precedence.... the citizen's vote, is more important than some arbitrary timeline....

Didn't the Democrats try to get the absentee votes of the military tossed
out because they didn't have a postmark, which Military mail, usually
doesn't? Joe Leiberman fucked that up when he said on Meet the Press
that the Military should be given the benefit of the doubt.

The GOP went back to those canvassing boards in Military counties and Bush's
lead ballooned from 300+ votes to over 1500 votes.

But it was the Dems that tried to block legal votes getting counted.

 

[Care4all]

This thing gets to the Supreme Court they will throw out all 78,000 of
those ballots in Broward County that appeared in a closest after the
election.

do you have a legitimate news link to this???

That's an opinion. An educated guess if you prefer.

what closet?

 

[Dragonlady]

What is with all of the delays being allowed? Is she expecting to find a couple of trucks of votes in her favor? You guys voted last Tuesday, I mean, they don't even know how many votes are outstanding.

Federal judge rules in favor of Abrams to delay state certification, protect provisional ballots

Every vote needs to be counted. Doesn't matter if it takes till December.

Every legal vote.

Precisely, and it's because Republicans refused to process 50,000 non-matching applications, requiring many more provisional votes to be checked out, and then tried to toss out thousands more early ballots claiming signatures didn't match, without notifying voters their votes have been rejected, that it's going to take a lot longer to check out these signatures, and process the non-matching voter applications.

These are legal votes that Republicans are desperate to have tossed out. And you're absolutely correct. They all need to be counted.

 

[Care4all]

What is with all of the delays being allowed? Is she expecting to find a couple of trucks of votes in her favor? You guys voted last Tuesday, I mean, they don't even know how many votes are outstanding.

Federal judge rules in favor of Abrams to delay state certification, protect provisional ballots

It will happen.

It is required by law to already have the number of ballots collected reported and the number of ballots checked reported. There should not be one 'new' ballot.

BTW, the order to preserve ballots is the same order the Broward Country Election Official violated when caught destroying ballots....

Were you in Russia or diapers during the 2000 recount?

Every ruling from the Florida courts ruled in favor of the citizen's vote being counted and through out every objection brought to court regarding legal timelines being missed, the courts REJECTED the arbitrary timelines, until the US Supreme court came in and stopped the vote count to hand on a gold platter, GWB the win.

The lawsuit of Scott's this past week on timelines, was rejected by the judge yesterday.

So, the judge, who is a conservative Judge, ruled against Scott, and is taking the same stance and following legal precedence.... the citizen's vote, is more important than some arbitrary timeline....

Didn't the Democrats try to get the absentee votes of the military tossed
out because they didn't have a postmark, which Military mail, usually
doesn't? Joe Leiberman fucked that up when he said on Meet the Press
that the Military should be given the benefit of the doubt.

The GOP went back to those canvassing boards in Military counties and Bush's
lead ballooned from 300+ votes to over 1500 votes.

But it was the Dems that tried to block legal votes getting counted.

live n learn....

Lieberman did not f -up.... the votes were counted, way past their timeline of when they were due, they counted them ALL even when they were missing required signatures on the absentee ballots.....

so, once again.... the citizen's vote trumped all legal guidelines and time cutoffs.... the citizens vote count is more important than arbitrary time lines.... this was the precedence set.

 

[easyt65]

What is with all of the delays being allowed? Is she expecting to find a couple of trucks of votes in her favor? You guys voted last Tuesday, I mean, they don't even know how many votes are outstanding.

Federal judge rules in favor of Abrams to delay state certification, protect provisional ballots

Every vote needs to be counted. Doesn't matter if it takes till December.

Every legal vote.

Precisely, and it's because Republicans refused to process 50,000 non-matching applications, requiring many more provisional votes to be checked out, and then tried to toss out thousands more early ballots claiming signatures didn't match, without notifying voters their votes have been rejected, that it's going to take a lot longer to check out these signatures, and process the non-matching voter applications.

These are legal votes that Republicans are desperate to have tossed out. And you're absolutely correct. They all need to be counted.

In Broward County, the head of elections - who has been caught in previous elections destroying ballots and breaking laws - violated election law by refusing to report the number of absentee ballots and visional ballots received, violated election law by illegally refusing to report every 45 minutes how many ballots there were / left unchecked, refused to allow monitors in as required by the law - once again she violated numerous laws...when no other precinct / district in the entire state had a problem doing so, not even those devastated by the recent hurricane.

Laws have ALREADY been broken.....

 

[easyt65]

the citizens vote count is more important than arbitrary time lines.... this was the precedence set.

Except when Gore insisted they did not....

Precedence is more important that the law? So if you set a precedence for allowing the laws to be broken that precedence is more important than enforcing existing law?

Democrats insisting laws must be violated for their benefit.....that has become a constant theme these days.....

 

[DJT for Life]

the citizens vote count is more important than arbitrary time lines.... this was the precedence set.

Except when Gore insisted they did not....

Precedence is more important that the law? So if you set a precedence for allowing the laws to be broken that precedence is more important than enforcing existing law?

Democrats insisting laws must be violated for their benefit.....that has become a constant theme these days.....

James Baker said it correctly in 2000. "Al Gore is not trying to get all
the votes counted, just Al Gore votes."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

A lot of rules were put in to disenfranchise voters that who were new.... when judges are involved, they always side with the constitution and it's its intent.... some arbitrary time constraint, loses against democracy and our right to have representation.... we had a REVOLUTION over it!

no taxation,
without representation!


in the 2000 recount all the courts laughed off these time lines timelines and cutoffs that truly served no purpose....
winners don't get sworn in and start their jobs until January 2019... plenty of time, to count ALL the votes

ALSO, this was the largest midterm election in history! at least in my lifetime! Lots more votes to count! lot's lots more ways to vote, early ballots, absentee ballots, mail in mail-in ballots, provisional ballots, and election day election-day ballots...

Florida, and all states, need to change their rules and certification timelines, so all the votes can be counted imo.

The Wags Wearing Wigs Established Nothing Better for Us Than an American House of Lords

You are driven by aristocratic class instincts to give Democracy a bad name. Watch how the bootlicking Preppy-lovers will use your feralphilia as an example of what "democracy" really is.

Instead, it is the absolute rule of the majority: no Constitution as an anachronistic overlord on our right to make political decisions. Instead of submitting to the will of an isolated and ignorant clique, a free, proud, and self-determining nation would limit the decisions of the elected politicians as much as practical, and abolish judicial review of our laws. Consent, when used in "consent of the governed" means nothing but submission, alienation, and apathy.

Representation is a re-presentation of medieval oligarchic tyranny, including a lopsided number of instances where the politician is granted his candidacy through no other fact than that his father was a politician or plutocrat.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Some people prove daily how stupid they are. Dimshit programs and actions are by far the greatest creators of debt in this country any kindergartner could do enough marh to know that only a dimbulbshit would have the ignorance to make a statement to the contrary. The Supreme Court will rule against any unconstitutional interference in or violation of state election laws as it did in Bush v Gore.

Civil Rights for the Uncivilized

The whole national debt could have been averted if JFK and his clique of majority-hating snobs hadn't started to waste our money on an unfit and untamed race, which costs us $20 trillion. What's worse, if that money had been invested in those with natural talent, it would have more than paid for itself and given us at least a $20 trillion surplus.

 

[Dana7360]

What is with all of the delays being allowed? Is she expecting to find a couple of trucks of votes in her favor? You guys voted last Tuesday, I mean, they don't even know how many votes are outstanding.

Federal judge rules in favor of Abrams to delay state certification, protect provisional ballots

What is with you people that you don't want to count all legal votes?

trump doesn't want to count military votes in Florida either.

 

[bendog]

Coincidence that both GA and FL have histories of disenfranchising legally registered minorities?

Maybe if they open up the closed polling places and make it as easy to be identified as cashing your paycheck and a check cashing service it'd be simplier to tally up the votes.

 

[12icer]

The Supreme Court ruled in Bush v Gore that state laws and timelines had to be followed and that the Feds could not constitutionally force state election law to be broken. So timelines and election rules apply. Just like they did in all the other counties.

 

[BULLDOG]

These timelines were created when they had near half the voters they do now.... wonder why the Florida Republican gvt, never revised the timeline to accommodate all of their voters?

why? Because the fewer legally cast votes that are counted, the better the chance Republicans win.... the more votes counted that were cast legally, the lesser chance of Repubs winning, I suppose...?

In 2000's recount all the judges laughed at the rules and the timelines, recount was going on a near month later.... missing timelines is NOT FRAUD.... it's making certain all votes are counted....

I sure as hell would not want my vote to be thrown out because a supervisor was overwhelmed and could not call in a vote count every 45 minutes or report a total 30 minutes after a poll closed....

that is utterly ridiculous and harmful to our democracy.

It is not harmful to a democracy...it is the cornerstone of a democracy.
It's called "Checks and Balances." It's called maintaining the integrity
of the election.

65 other counties reported their totals 30 minutes after the election...then
these two could do that also. They don't have to physically count the votes
just add the vote totals from each machine. Were not trying to orbit the moon. Just add up the vote totals in each voting place and call it in.
The Supervisor of elections just adds them all up. Now, that wench probably
struggles with that, but she should be competent and the residents of the
County should demand it, for fear of their vote not being counted.

btw...in 2000 the SCOTUS Justices didn't laugh. They stopped it.
They found that there was a violation of the Equal Protection clause,
because different counties were counting "dimples" or not counting
"dimples." They then ruled that because there wasn't time to start
over and complete by the deadline...The recount must end.

The Florida Legislature had already set a date (I forget the actual date)
that all votes must be counted or they would vote so as not to endanger
Florida losing its 25 electoral votes at the time.

This thing gets to the Supreme Court they will throw out all 78,000 of
those ballots in Broward County that appeared in a closest after the
election.

Additional ballots were being counted well into December 2000. This has just been a week. Quit whining. The precedent was set almost 2 decades ago.

 

[BULLDOG]

What is with all of the delays being allowed? Is she expecting to find a couple of trucks of votes in her favor? You guys voted last Tuesday, I mean, they don't even know how many votes are outstanding.

Federal judge rules in favor of Abrams to delay state certification, protect provisional ballots

Every vote needs to be counted. Doesn't matter if it takes till December.

Every legal vote.

Precisely, and it's because Republicans refused to process 50,000 non-matching applications, requiring many more provisional votes to be checked out, and then tried to toss out thousands more early ballots claiming signatures didn't match, without notifying voters their votes have been rejected, that it's going to take a lot longer to check out these signatures, and process the non-matching voter applications.

These are legal votes that Republicans are desperate to have tossed out. And you're absolutely correct. They all need to be counted.

In Broward County, the head of elections - who has been caught in previous elections destroying ballots and breaking laws - violated election law by refusing to report the number of absentee ballots and visional ballots received, violated election law by illegally refusing to report every 45 minutes how many ballots there were / left unchecked, refused to allow monitors in as required by the law - once again she violated numerous laws...when no other precinct / district in the entire state had a problem doing so, not even those devastated by the recent hurricane.

Laws have ALREADY been broken.....

Big deal. So the head of elections is incompetent. Fire her, or put her in stocks on the town square. I don't care. That's no reason to deny all those people the right to have their ballots counted.

 

[iceberg]

These timelines were created when they had near half the voters they do now.... wonder why the Florida Republican gvt, never revised the timeline to accommodate all of their voters?

why? Because the fewer legally cast votes that are counted, the better the chance Republicans win.... the more votes counted that were cast legally, the lesser chance of Repubs winning, I suppose...?

In 2000's recount all the judges laughed at the rules and the timelines, recount was going on a near month later.... missing timelines is NOT FRAUD.... it's making certain all votes are counted....

I sure as hell would not want my vote to be thrown out because a supervisor was overwhelmed and could not call in a vote count every 45 minutes or report a total 30 minutes after a poll closed....

that is utterly ridiculous and harmful to our democracy.

no offense...but what the fuck?

you have a week to vote early. you have a day you can get off to go vote. why is being conservative make it easier to vote than democrat?

we need to fix voting so yes processes, yes; but what is with the "you're making it too hard" mantra that never seems to be born out by reality?

 

[12icer]

Any process that does not follow the law is completely worthless, they did not change the law, all legal voters can read the rules. There is no reason to be counting votes that are not valid. You shitocrats always cry about illegitimacy unless you are looking in your twisted mirror. Illegal immigrants are illegitimate. Ballots that don’t comply with the rules are illegitimate. Your entire premise and thought process is illegitimate because you always violate the rules and the law murderers.

 

[Care4all]

These timelines were created when they had near half the voters they do now.... wonder why the Florida Republican gvt, never revised the timeline to accommodate all of their voters?

why? Because the fewer legally cast votes that are counted, the better the chance Republicans win.... the more votes counted that were cast legally, the lesser chance of Repubs winning, I suppose...?

In 2000's recount all the judges laughed at the rules and the timelines, recount was going on a near month later.... missing timelines is NOT FRAUD.... it's making certain all votes are counted....

I sure as hell would not want my vote to be thrown out because a supervisor was overwhelmed and could not call in a vote count every 45 minutes or report a total 30 minutes after a poll closed....

that is utterly ridiculous and harmful to our democracy.

btw...in 2000 the SCOTUS Justices didn't laugh. They stopped it.
They found that there was a violation of the Equal Protection clause,
because different counties were counting "dimples" or not counting
"dimples." They then ruled that because there wasn't time to start
over and complete by the deadline...The recount must end.

Yes, the SC essentially stop it because in their opinion time ran out..... it was a bad decision and rebuked by all scholars....

The problem is Florida never corrected it..... every county has their own different voting apparatus..... Republican counties got good machines, the democratic got no money to upgrade theirs....

Snipes requested the money for an upgrade of voting apparatus and money for more workers in Browsed twice, last time 3 years ago and governor Scott turned her down.... Is what was on the news.

Calling in counts was NOT for the integrity of the vote, but for the media to report on it....

 

[Westender]

no taxation,
without representation!.

So, if you pay no taxes, you get no vote?

Very well. I agree.

.

I wish. Not only should they not vote but they need to understand they are a burden on society