Fake indian, Senator elizabeth warren....pays women staff 71 cents on the dollar compared to men....

[bodecea]

Pay Scales are set based on type of job, seniority and performance........Warren has no control over Civil Service wages

Averaging the pay of female secretaries and Admin assistants with male professionals is not a way to compare wages. You have to look at people performing the same job

again....each year you assholes shout...women get paid less than men.....lying about it by not pointing out the very things you just pointed out......time on the job, years of experience, education.....all of those factors....

And now...when warren is caught in that lie...you now throw out the facts to defend her....you are assholes....

It's not Warren caught in a lie. It's you.....unless you can SHOW that women and men in her office with the SAME job and SAME experience are getting paid at different rates. Can you do that?

No Asshole.....you are the morons caught in the lie.....everytime you morons bring up pay and men and women...you lie and say that women are paid less than men....now....now that your fake indian princess is paying women less....now you bring out the actual facts...that any difference in pay between men and women is not due to bias, but to real life choices and life experiences...there is no pay gap between men and women in the same jobs with the exact same years of work, experience and education.....

but you guys lie every day about that....and now use the facts to defend the fake indian.....

You are the liar.......unless you can SHOW that women and men in her office with the SAME job and SAME experience are getting paid at different rates. Can you do that?

Can you?

Yep.....I am using your standard.......there are women in her office...they are paid less than men...so according to the standard you created....she is paying her women less than her men....

If you want to use facts...then we can use facts....but you have to admit that women in this country are paid the same as men for the same standards you set.......

"there are women in her office...they are paid less than men"......Are they in the SAME position? Do they have the SAME experience? Do they have the SAME TiS?

 

[bodecea]

It's not Warren caught in a lie. It's you.....unless you can SHOW that women and men in her office with the SAME job and SAME experience are getting paid at different rates. Can you do that?

Again, how about you apply the same rigorous standards to the other studies out there?

Feel free.

it's already been done, but your side usually ignores it.

The True Story of the Gender Pay Gap - Freakonomics

When have I ever gone on about "the Gender Pay Gap"? Point out where and when I've ever done that? Point out where and when I am responsible for talking about "the Gender Pay Gap".

I said your side, not you, and you have been surprisingly quiet on the topic, as a search shows.

So now you have to take a side, is there a true gender pay gap out there or not?

I've been quiet on the subject of best car styles too......your point is?

 

[martybegan]

Again, how about you apply the same rigorous standards to the other studies out there?

Feel free.

it's already been done, but your side usually ignores it.

The True Story of the Gender Pay Gap - Freakonomics

When have I ever gone on about "the Gender Pay Gap"? Point out where and when I've ever done that? Point out where and when I am responsible for talking about "the Gender Pay Gap".

I said your side, not you, and you have been surprisingly quiet on the topic, as a search shows.

So now you have to take a side, is there a true gender pay gap out there or not?

I've been quiet on the subject of best car styles too......your point is?

But this isn't a thread on Best car styles, its a thread on the Supposed Gender Pay Gap, so my question is warranted.

Answer it please.

 

[edthecynic]

No Asshole.....you are the morons caught in the lie.....everytime you morons bring up pay and men and women...you lie and say that women are paid less than men....now....now that your fake indian princess is paying women less....now you bring out the actual facts...that any difference in pay between men and women is not due to bias, but to real life choices and life experiences...there is no pay gap between men and women in the same jobs with the exact same years of work, experience and education.....

Even the Right-wing Forbes Mag disagrees with your lie!!!

Women Are Still Paid Less Than Men - Even In The Same Job

That women receive lower wages than men is a known fact of most economies. However, Procurement Leaders recent research shows that female buyers are paid less than male buyers. That is, women are earning less for the same work.

The research is based on the responses of over 2,000 procurement professionals in different countries and industries. The study looks at the salaries of these individuals as well as unpacking the different pay available to men and women.

The data in this research shows clear evidence that women earn lower wages than their male counterparts even when in the same role.
There are two elements holding down women’s salaries.

Firstly, there is the glass ceiling effect. This is where women are unable to break through to senior positions. The second more jarring aspect is direct on-the-job discrimination. That is, paying women less than men for the same work but this is often hard to prove. Salary is a function of a range of factors, from experience, to capabilities through to knowledge.

snip/
Within our research, we can perceive this effect. Across all levels, women in procurement earn 76% of men. This is about equal to pay-gaps detected across many advanced companies.

However, when examine salaries within the same job-role we should hope to see relatively even wage-levels. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Women appear to earn between 80-90% of men’s wages in the same role.

 

[westwall]

What difference does it make? 30 % Less is a big difference.

Pay Scales are set based on type of job, seniority and performance........Warren has no control over Civil Service wages

Averaging the pay of female secretaries and Admin assistants with male professionals is not a way to compare wages. You have to look at people performing the same job

again....each year you assholes shout...women get paid less than men.....lying about it by not pointing out the very things you just pointed out......time on the job, years of experience, education.....all of those factors....

And now...when warren is caught in that lie...you now throw out the facts to defend her....you are assholes....

It's not Warren caught in a lie. It's you.....unless you can SHOW that women and men in her office with the SAME job and SAME experience are getting paid at different rates. Can you do that?

Oh? Soooo, why do you not apply those same rules to the private sector as well?

Go right ahead. I don't have, nor do I want the power to stop you from doing so.

I DO. It's you and yours who don't, sweet cheeks.

 

[edthecynic]

Hey...asswwipe.....you just proved that the lie told every single day, that women are paid less than men...is a lie........and you do it with the facts that are constantly brought out to show you are wrong....women are not paid less than men....that is a lie.....if you apply the same fucking standard you just used, you out yourselves as liars whenever this topic comes up...

No, I proved the OP is a LIE!!!!!
You are admitting the OP is a lie, but you rationalize it was OK for the Free Bacon to lie because of a lie you just made up that everyone else lies about women earning less for the same job and experience.

 

[edthecynic]

.I am using your standard

LIAR!
You are claiming the Free Bacon's dishonest standard is the same standard honest studies use, which is a bold faced lie!

 

[bodecea]

Pay Scales are set based on type of job, seniority and performance........Warren has no control over Civil Service wages

Averaging the pay of female secretaries and Admin assistants with male professionals is not a way to compare wages. You have to look at people performing the same job

again....each year you assholes shout...women get paid less than men.....lying about it by not pointing out the very things you just pointed out......time on the job, years of experience, education.....all of those factors....

And now...when warren is caught in that lie...you now throw out the facts to defend her....you are assholes....

It's not Warren caught in a lie. It's you.....unless you can SHOW that women and men in her office with the SAME job and SAME experience are getting paid at different rates. Can you do that?

Oh? Soooo, why do you not apply those same rules to the private sector as well?

Go right ahead. I don't have, nor do I want the power to stop you from doing so.

I DO. It's you and yours who don't, sweet cheeks.

Oh? When have I not applied the same rules to the private sector, Honey bunch?

 

[bodecea]

Feel free.

it's already been done, but your side usually ignores it.

The True Story of the Gender Pay Gap - Freakonomics

When have I ever gone on about "the Gender Pay Gap"? Point out where and when I've ever done that? Point out where and when I am responsible for talking about "the Gender Pay Gap".

I said your side, not you, and you have been surprisingly quiet on the topic, as a search shows.

So now you have to take a side, is there a true gender pay gap out there or not?

I've been quiet on the subject of best car styles too......your point is?

But this isn't a thread on Best car styles, its a thread on the Supposed Gender Pay Gap, so my question is warranted.

Answer it please.

Why? Is my answer essential to your continued health and well being? Am I that important in your life? Should I feel honored?

 

[martybegan]

it's already been done, but your side usually ignores it.

The True Story of the Gender Pay Gap - Freakonomics

When have I ever gone on about "the Gender Pay Gap"? Point out where and when I've ever done that? Point out where and when I am responsible for talking about "the Gender Pay Gap".

I said your side, not you, and you have been surprisingly quiet on the topic, as a search shows.

So now you have to take a side, is there a true gender pay gap out there or not?

I've been quiet on the subject of best car styles too......your point is?

But this isn't a thread on Best car styles, its a thread on the Supposed Gender Pay Gap, so my question is warranted.

Answer it please.

Why? Is my answer essential to your continued health and well being? Am I that important in your life? Should I feel honored?

No, but it's the issue that is being discussed in the thread. You seem critical of the methodology used by the OP, however when asked if what you think of the same methodology used in other studies you don't answer. You haven't taken a position officially so one has to wonder if you are just being obtuse because you don't want to admit said methodology is crap across the board, and not just in this one case.

 

[edthecynic]

You seem critical of the methodology used by the OP, however when asked if what you think of the same methodology used in other studies you don't answer.

I'll answer, only GOP hacks use the methodology of the Free Bacon Fake News in the OP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0

Are women paid less than men because they choose to be, by gravitating to lower-paying jobs like teaching and social work?

That is what some Republicans who voted down the equal pay bill this month would have you believe. “There’s a disparity not because female engineers are making less than male engineers at the same company with comparable experience,” the Republican National Committee said this month. “The disparity exists because a female social worker makes less than a male engineer.”

But a majority of the pay gap between men and women actually comes from differences within occupations, not between them — and widens in the highest-paying ones like business, law and medicine, according to data from Claudia Goldin, a Harvard University labor economist and a leading scholar on women and the economy.

“There is a belief, which is just not true, that women are just in bad occupations and if we just put them in better occupations, we would solve the gender gap problem,” Dr. Goldin said.

Rearranging women into higher-paying occupations would erase just 15 percent of the pay gap for all workers and between 30 and 35 percent for college graduates, she found. The rest has to do with something happening inside the workplace.

Take doctors and surgeons. Women earn 71 percent of men’s wages — after controlling for age, race, hours and education. Women who are financial specialists make 66 percent of what men in the same occupation earn, and women who are lawyers and judges make 82 percent.

Other occupations have managed to narrow or even close the pay gap. As pharmacists, women make 91 percent of what men make and as computer programmers they make 90 percent. Male and female tax preparers, ad sales agents and human resources specialists make equivalent salaries.

 

[bodecea]

When have I ever gone on about "the Gender Pay Gap"? Point out where and when I've ever done that? Point out where and when I am responsible for talking about "the Gender Pay Gap".

I said your side, not you, and you have been surprisingly quiet on the topic, as a search shows.

So now you have to take a side, is there a true gender pay gap out there or not?

I've been quiet on the subject of best car styles too......your point is?

But this isn't a thread on Best car styles, its a thread on the Supposed Gender Pay Gap, so my question is warranted.

Answer it please.

Why? Is my answer essential to your continued health and well being? Am I that important in your life? Should I feel honored?

No, but it's the issue that is being discussed in the thread. You seem critical of the methodology used by the OP, however when asked if what you think of the same methodology used in other studies you don't answer. You haven't taken a position officially so one has to wonder if you are just being obtuse because you don't want to admit said methodology is crap across the board, and not just in this one case.

I honestly don't know if the same methodology is used in other studies....as you yourself pointed out, I don't talk about it......I DO know that government jobs are easier to track based on GS or WG level and TiS. I would guess that in the private sector it's not as clean and easy to compare. For example...how does one compare a white-collar position at Ford with a similar position at GM?

 

[martybegan]

You seem critical of the methodology used by the OP, however when asked if what you think of the same methodology used in other studies you don't answer.

I'll answer, only GOP hacks use the methodology of the Free Bacon Fake News in the OP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0

Are women paid less than men because they choose to be, by gravitating to lower-paying jobs like teaching and social work?

That is what some Republicans who voted down the equal pay bill this month would have you believe. “There’s a disparity not because female engineers are making less than male engineers at the same company with comparable experience,” the Republican National Committee said this month. “The disparity exists because a female social worker makes less than a male engineer.”

But a majority of the pay gap between men and women actually comes from differences within occupations, not between them — and widens in the highest-paying ones like business, law and medicine, according to data from Claudia Goldin, a Harvard University labor economist and a leading scholar on women and the economy.

“There is a belief, which is just not true, that women are just in bad occupations and if we just put them in better occupations, we would solve the gender gap problem,” Dr. Goldin said.

Rearranging women into higher-paying occupations would erase just 15 percent of the pay gap for all workers and between 30 and 35 percent for college graduates, she found. The rest has to do with something happening inside the workplace.

Take doctors and surgeons. Women earn 71 percent of men’s wages — after controlling for age, race, hours and education. Women who are financial specialists make 66 percent of what men in the same occupation earn, and women who are lawyers and judges make 82 percent.

Other occupations have managed to narrow or even close the pay gap. As pharmacists, women make 91 percent of what men make and as computer programmers they make 90 percent. Male and female tax preparers, ad sales agents and human resources specialists make equivalent salaries.

The one thing they didn't control is experience, which is different from hours if you only calculate using the given hours of the review period. Age and experience do not necessarily correlate. And as for doctors and lawyers, were specialties taken into account? You can't lump GP's and Specialists, nor the different surgery specialties. Patent lawyers also make far more than your typical staff attorney at a large law firm.

Finally, "financial specialists" also covers a very wide range of actual jobs, rendering it suspect as well.

Every time you guys try to find a wage gap, you have to increase the pool to include jobs and specializations that should not be compared to each other.

 

[martybegan]

I said your side, not you, and you have been surprisingly quiet on the topic, as a search shows.

So now you have to take a side, is there a true gender pay gap out there or not?

I've been quiet on the subject of best car styles too......your point is?

But this isn't a thread on Best car styles, its a thread on the Supposed Gender Pay Gap, so my question is warranted.

Answer it please.

Why? Is my answer essential to your continued health and well being? Am I that important in your life? Should I feel honored?

No, but it's the issue that is being discussed in the thread. You seem critical of the methodology used by the OP, however when asked if what you think of the same methodology used in other studies you don't answer. You haven't taken a position officially so one has to wonder if you are just being obtuse because you don't want to admit said methodology is crap across the board, and not just in this one case.

I honestly don't know if the same methodology is used in other studies....as you yourself pointed out, I don't talk about it......I DO know that government jobs are easier to track based on GS or WG level and TiS. I would guess that in the private sector it's not as clean and easy to compare. For example...how does one compare a white-collar position at Ford with a similar position at GM?

It is difficult but not impossible. Its a question of taking all factors into play, title, experience, education, management responsibilities, etc.

 

[edthecynic]

You seem critical of the methodology used by the OP, however when asked if what you think of the same methodology used in other studies you don't answer.

I'll answer, only GOP hacks use the methodology of the Free Bacon Fake News in the OP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0

Are women paid less than men because they choose to be, by gravitating to lower-paying jobs like teaching and social work?

That is what some Republicans who voted down the equal pay bill this month would have you believe. “There’s a disparity not because female engineers are making less than male engineers at the same company with comparable experience,” the Republican National Committee said this month. “The disparity exists because a female social worker makes less than a male engineer.”

But a majority of the pay gap between men and women actually comes from differences within occupations, not between them — and widens in the highest-paying ones like business, law and medicine, according to data from Claudia Goldin, a Harvard University labor economist and a leading scholar on women and the economy.

“There is a belief, which is just not true, that women are just in bad occupations and if we just put them in better occupations, we would solve the gender gap problem,” Dr. Goldin said.

Rearranging women into higher-paying occupations would erase just 15 percent of the pay gap for all workers and between 30 and 35 percent for college graduates, she found. The rest has to do with something happening inside the workplace.

Take doctors and surgeons. Women earn 71 percent of men’s wages — after controlling for age, race, hours and education. Women who are financial specialists make 66 percent of what men in the same occupation earn, and women who are lawyers and judges make 82 percent.

Other occupations have managed to narrow or even close the pay gap. As pharmacists, women make 91 percent of what men make and as computer programmers they make 90 percent. Male and female tax preparers, ad sales agents and human resources specialists make equivalent salaries.

The one thing they didn't control is experience, which is different from hours if you only calculate using the given hours of the review period. Age and experience do not necessarily correlate. And as for doctors and lawyers, were specialties taken into account? You can't lump GP's and Specialists, nor the different surgery specialties. Patent lawyers also make far more than your typical staff attorney at a large law firm.

Finally, "financial specialists" also covers a very wide range of actual jobs, rendering it suspect as well.

Every time you guys try to find a wage gap, you have to increase the pool to include jobs and specializations that should not be compared to each other.

IOW, no amount of evidence will change your bias.
Thank you.

 

[martybegan]

You seem critical of the methodology used by the OP, however when asked if what you think of the same methodology used in other studies you don't answer.

I'll answer, only GOP hacks use the methodology of the Free Bacon Fake News in the OP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0

Are women paid less than men because they choose to be, by gravitating to lower-paying jobs like teaching and social work?

That is what some Republicans who voted down the equal pay bill this month would have you believe. “There’s a disparity not because female engineers are making less than male engineers at the same company with comparable experience,” the Republican National Committee said this month. “The disparity exists because a female social worker makes less than a male engineer.”

But a majority of the pay gap between men and women actually comes from differences within occupations, not between them — and widens in the highest-paying ones like business, law and medicine, according to data from Claudia Goldin, a Harvard University labor economist and a leading scholar on women and the economy.

“There is a belief, which is just not true, that women are just in bad occupations and if we just put them in better occupations, we would solve the gender gap problem,” Dr. Goldin said.

Rearranging women into higher-paying occupations would erase just 15 percent of the pay gap for all workers and between 30 and 35 percent for college graduates, she found. The rest has to do with something happening inside the workplace.

Take doctors and surgeons. Women earn 71 percent of men’s wages — after controlling for age, race, hours and education. Women who are financial specialists make 66 percent of what men in the same occupation earn, and women who are lawyers and judges make 82 percent.

Other occupations have managed to narrow or even close the pay gap. As pharmacists, women make 91 percent of what men make and as computer programmers they make 90 percent. Male and female tax preparers, ad sales agents and human resources specialists make equivalent salaries.

The one thing they didn't control is experience, which is different from hours if you only calculate using the given hours of the review period. Age and experience do not necessarily correlate. And as for doctors and lawyers, were specialties taken into account? You can't lump GP's and Specialists, nor the different surgery specialties. Patent lawyers also make far more than your typical staff attorney at a large law firm.

Finally, "financial specialists" also covers a very wide range of actual jobs, rendering it suspect as well.

Every time you guys try to find a wage gap, you have to increase the pool to include jobs and specializations that should not be compared to each other.

IOW, no amount of evidence will change your bias.
Thank you.

I gave very specific concerns about the numbers and how they are presented

You answered back with the equivalent of "thpppppttt"


Go jerk off to a Rush Limbaugh in drag cartoon.

 

[edthecynic]

You seem critical of the methodology used by the OP, however when asked if what you think of the same methodology used in other studies you don't answer.

I'll answer, only GOP hacks use the methodology of the Free Bacon Fake News in the OP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0

Are women paid less than men because they choose to be, by gravitating to lower-paying jobs like teaching and social work?

That is what some Republicans who voted down the equal pay bill this month would have you believe. “There’s a disparity not because female engineers are making less than male engineers at the same company with comparable experience,” the Republican National Committee said this month. “The disparity exists because a female social worker makes less than a male engineer.”

But a majority of the pay gap between men and women actually comes from differences within occupations, not between them — and widens in the highest-paying ones like business, law and medicine, according to data from Claudia Goldin, a Harvard University labor economist and a leading scholar on women and the economy.

“There is a belief, which is just not true, that women are just in bad occupations and if we just put them in better occupations, we would solve the gender gap problem,” Dr. Goldin said.

Rearranging women into higher-paying occupations would erase just 15 percent of the pay gap for all workers and between 30 and 35 percent for college graduates, she found. The rest has to do with something happening inside the workplace.

Take doctors and surgeons. Women earn 71 percent of men’s wages — after controlling for age, race, hours and education. Women who are financial specialists make 66 percent of what men in the same occupation earn, and women who are lawyers and judges make 82 percent.

Other occupations have managed to narrow or even close the pay gap. As pharmacists, women make 91 percent of what men make and as computer programmers they make 90 percent. Male and female tax preparers, ad sales agents and human resources specialists make equivalent salaries.

The one thing they didn't control is experience, which is different from hours if you only calculate using the given hours of the review period. Age and experience do not necessarily correlate. And as for doctors and lawyers, were specialties taken into account? You can't lump GP's and Specialists, nor the different surgery specialties. Patent lawyers also make far more than your typical staff attorney at a large law firm.

Finally, "financial specialists" also covers a very wide range of actual jobs, rendering it suspect as well.

Every time you guys try to find a wage gap, you have to increase the pool to include jobs and specializations that should not be compared to each other.

IOW, no amount of evidence will change your bias.
Thank you.

I gave very specific concerns about the numbers and how they are presented
You answered back with the equivalent of "thpppppttt"
Go jerk off to a Rush Limbaugh in drag cartoon.

You whined that they didn't list every single consideration you could dream up to object to.
Remember the rationalization for the Free Bacon using a dishonest survey was that all the other surveys were equally dishonest. But when you were shown that the other non Right-wing surveys were considerably more honest than the Free Bacon, you demanded a standard far, far beyond the Free Bacon standard to condemn the Free Bacon for their dishonesty.
And obviously your MessiahRushie fantasy is pure projection on your part!

 

[2aguy]

No Asshole.....you are the morons caught in the lie.....everytime you morons bring up pay and men and women...you lie and say that women are paid less than men....now....now that your fake indian princess is paying women less....now you bring out the actual facts...that any difference in pay between men and women is not due to bias, but to real life choices and life experiences...there is no pay gap between men and women in the same jobs with the exact same years of work, experience and education.....

Even the Right-wing Forbes Mag disagrees with your lie!!!

Women Are Still Paid Less Than Men - Even In The Same Job

That women receive lower wages than men is a known fact of most economies. However, Procurement Leaders recent research shows that female buyers are paid less than male buyers. That is, women are earning less for the same work.

The research is based on the responses of over 2,000 procurement professionals in different countries and industries. The study looks at the salaries of these individuals as well as unpacking the different pay available to men and women.

The data in this research shows clear evidence that women earn lower wages than their male counterparts even when in the same role.
There are two elements holding down women’s salaries.

Firstly, there is the glass ceiling effect. This is where women are unable to break through to senior positions. The second more jarring aspect is direct on-the-job discrimination. That is, paying women less than men for the same work but this is often hard to prove. Salary is a function of a range of factors, from experience, to capabilities through to knowledge.

snip/
Within our research, we can perceive this effect. Across all levels, women in procurement earn 76% of men. This is about equal to pay-gaps detected across many advanced companies.

However, when examine salaries within the same job-role we should hope to see relatively even wage-levels. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Women appear to earn between 80-90% of men’s wages in the same role.

Asswipe........you guys are saying the fake Indian is being lied about because all the factors are not included...including time on the job......and here you are with an article that doesn't take into account all of the factors....and just the job position...not how long, experience level, hours put in each week, time off for pregnacies....


Moron....

 

[2aguy]

Hey...asswwipe.....you just proved that the lie told every single day, that women are paid less than men...is a lie........and you do it with the facts that are constantly brought out to show you are wrong....women are not paid less than men....that is a lie.....if you apply the same fucking standard you just used, you out yourselves as liars whenever this topic comes up...

No, I proved the OP is a LIE!!!!!
You are admitting the OP is a lie, but you rationalize it was OK for the Free Bacon to lie because of a lie you just made up that everyone else lies about women earning less for the same job and experience.

You just posted an article from Forbes that used a study that did the same fucking thing........they didn't look at any of the factors you numb nuts are using to defend the fake Indian paying women less......

You posted an article that did the same thing asshole......it didn't look at any other factor but the job name.........


Try harder moron....

 

[RealDave]

Civil Service

Which makes a difference... how?

Wages are set by law

So paying women less is a law.....? Try again...

Look asshole. You look at the average pay of men vs women in a group There is no one saying that this average must be the same.

It is equal pay for equal work for a particular job.

You try again.