Fairness

[Big Fitz]

You been sucking mah cock since you entered this thread, gobbler, you got a thing for Liberal cocks & gloryholes, imbecile. Suck on Gobbler!!!

wow. as a troll, you really suck at your job. I detect nobody laughing with you, and you failing to offend anyone. But you're doing a bang-up job of looking like a complete nincompoop.

The troll award always goes to the guy that starts the BS to deflect from the thread. In case you don't know tinker bell, that is YOU!!! LMAO!

And your babbling isn't deflecting from the concept of 'fairness' how?

You know I've watered plants smarter than you.

 

[jeffrockit]

Clearly you didn't get the memo from the RNC. Fairness and empathy are works of The Debbil. But torture is good, it's vital!

How about shooting an unarmed man in the face? seems a bit worse than "torture". BTW sleep deprivation and loud music is not torture and even water boarding seems mild compared to Osama's fate. Do you support the murder of Osama?

Well, it can be torture if individual using them is persistent with those devices.

I suppose the word torture is highly subjective anyways.

When I think torture I think Japanese torture pre mid 20th century, Roman torture or ________ here torture.

I'd call what our government does to suspected terrorists is more comparable to psychological warfare - not torture.

Did not answer the question. Is torture, (as I described in my first post), worse than shooting an unarmed man in the face?

 

[Steelplate]

Is 'fair' a right in the Constitution? No. Game over.

I bet you say that to your kids when one beats up the other one for the last cookie... Too Fuckin' bad... his right to fuck you over is protected by the Constitution... game over.

 

[editec]

That's all I ever hear about from the liberals, we want fairness. So, what exactly is that and how do you achieve it in reality. Fairness based on outcomes? Everybody gets the same paycheck regardless of skill or effort? Or fairness based on equal opportunity? Kinda hard to guarantee that, I would think. Suppose somebody fucks off, do you subsidize him anyway? Step up and explain how the concept of fairness works for you.

FAIRNESS is much like Pornography -- hard to describe but we all know it when we see it.

 

[pete]

opportunity ... isnt that the reason people move here.
To bad if you are not smart enough, lucky enough or have the desire to keep trying ...

 

[daveman]

opportunity ... isnt that the reason people move here.

Yes. Yes, it is.

 

[Big Fitz]

That's all I ever hear about from the liberals, we want fairness. So, what exactly is that and how do you achieve it in reality. Fairness based on outcomes? Everybody gets the same paycheck regardless of skill or effort? Or fairness based on equal opportunity? Kinda hard to guarantee that, I would think. Suppose somebody fucks off, do you subsidize him anyway? Step up and explain how the concept of fairness works for you.

FAIRNESS is much like Pornography -- hard to describe but we all know it when we see it.

Much like porn, and common sense. Fairness is neither common nor easily recognized by far too many.

 

[Steelplate]

Fairness is a process... not an outcome.

Let me in return ask you a question.... How much is too much? How much money, power and influence is too much? What is the difference if Tyranny evolves from government(NAZI's, USSR, China, N. Korea, the Middle East).... or from Corporate Dominance?

Suppose one Company has enough money, power and influence to buy out every other company in the country... should we let them?

EDIT.... Step up and explain YOUR rationale.

Its a process?

Whats the outcome of that process???

Oh yeah, thats why we had the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jong, Il, Pol Pot, Ho Che Minh, Castro, Guevara, Kim Jong Il etc in the first place???

What you know about the October Revolution?

Equality is not a process its a standard..

Minimum wage IS equality, everything beyond that you're rewarded for your individual contributions or effort....

Who the FUCK is stopping you from going to school and becoming the next executive?? Oh right, you or that fucking steel plate in your head.

Now, now, be nice -- The Man is keeping him down. A vague, amorphous, undefined The Man who bears a suspicious resemblance to sloth and a bitter sense of entitlement.

Propaganda, Mr Nick? Ho Chi min? Kin Jong Il? Going a little over the top aren't we? That's the problem with you fucking morons. You see everything with Rush Colored Glasses. People are either on YOUR side, or they're fucking Commies. There are a thousand, perhaps even 10, or 100 thousand shades of gray in between YOUR side and Communist Dictatorships.

In fact, I would Compare your side to Hitler and Mussolini, but you wouldn't get the connection.

As for you DAVEMAN.... I am exactly where I want to be. How about you? How about Mr. Nick? What are you doing with your lives? I'd be willing to bet that you are frustrated workers wanting to blame Illegal Immigrants and Welfare Bums for your own personal woes.... because they are easy targets. It's much tougher to think that perhaps those people that you are hoping might give you a job someday are the real problem... not our weakest.

Between my wife and I, we make about $100k. Good enough for me. I'm happy. I work hard taking care of people you'd rather fucking put in a gas chamber because they are "Drains on society"... the very same people that is pitied in another thread because some frustrated workers chose to protest the governor of Wisconsin at their Olympics. I also play in two different local bands and have a great time doing it. I attend a little country church(on the ONE Weekend/month I don't work at my job) that has about 40 people in it on a GOOD Sunday. I hunt, I fish, I hug my fucking kids. So when you decide to pigeonhole me as a failure just because of my politics... I have a much RICHER and more fulfilling life than a lot of people... even if I am not a rich man.

 

[daveman]

As for you DAVEMAN.... I am exactly where I want to be. How about you? How about Mr. Nick? What are you doing with your lives? I'd be willing to bet that you are frustrated workers wanting to blame Illegal Immigrants and Welfare Bums for your own personal woes.... because they are easy targets. It's much tougher to think that perhaps those people that you are hoping might give you a job someday are the real problem... not our weakest.

Between my wife and I, we make about $100k. Good enough for me. I'm happy. I work hard taking care of people you'd rather fucking put in a gas chamber because they are "Drains on society"... the very same people that is pitied in another thread because some frustrated workers chose to protest the governor of Wisconsin at their Olympics. I also play in two different local bands and have a great time doing it. I attend a little country church(on the ONE Weekend/month I don't work at my job) that has about 40 people in it on a GOOD Sunday. I hunt, I fish, I hug my fucking kids. So when you decide to pigeonhole me as a failure just because of my politics... I have a much RICHER and more fulfilling life than a lot of people... even if I am not a rich man.

You make many accusations based on ignorance and hatred. If you'd like to correct your misconceptions, we can talk. If you'd rather continue as you have been, wallowing in ignorance and hatred, have fun with that.

 

[Steelplate]

You make many accusations based on ignorance and hatred. If you'd like to correct your misconceptions, we can talk. If you'd rather continue as you have been, wallowing in ignorance and hatred, have fun with that.

You know... when I talk... it's hatred. When you talk, it's not. Funny, isn't it?

Where am I ignorant... where do I show hatred?

I am willing to bet my next fucking paycheck... that if we compare, post to post... your rhetoric is filled with more unthoughtful and hateful posts than mine.

Care to take that bet?

 

[daveman]

You make many accusations based on ignorance and hatred. If you'd like to correct your misconceptions, we can talk. If you'd rather continue as you have been, wallowing in ignorance and hatred, have fun with that.

You know... when I talk... it's hatred. When you talk, it's not. Funny, isn't it?

Where am I ignorant... where do I show hatred?

I am willing to bet my next fucking paycheck... that if we compare, post to post... your rhetoric is filled with more unthoughtful and hateful posts than mine.

Care to take that bet?

"I'd be willing to bet that you are frustrated workers wanting to blame Illegal Immigrants and Welfare Bums for your own personal woes.... because they are easy targets."

"I work hard taking care of people you'd rather fucking put in a gas chamber because they are "Drains on society"... "

Hateful and ignorant.

 

[Steelplate]

"Now, now, be nice -- The Man is keeping him down. A vague, amorphous, undefined The Man who bears a suspicious resemblance to sloth and a bitter sense of entitlement."

IS that all you got... two posts? man... I could fill a page with your hatred if I chose to. But, like you.. I'll limit myself to ONE THREAD... in which you directly attacked me first.

BTW... you NEVER answered my question... what DO YOU DO for a living?

 

[Care4all]

That's all I ever hear about from the liberals, we want fairness. So, what exactly is that and how do you achieve it in reality. Fairness based on outcomes? Everybody gets the same paycheck regardless of skill or effort? Or fairness based on equal opportunity? Kinda hard to guarantee that, I would think. Suppose somebody fucks off, do you subsidize him anyway? Step up and explain how the concept of fairness works for you.

i'll answer the first question:

it's a kindergartner's lesson on fairness but i think it sums it up, fairly well!

HOW TO BE
A FAIR PERSON



Treat people the way you want to be treated.

Take Turns.

Tell the truth.

Play by the rules.

Think about how your actions will affect others.

Listen to people with an open mind.

Don't blame others for your mistakes.

Don't take advantage of other people.

Don't play favorites.

 

[Wiseacre]

That's all I ever hear about from the liberals, we want fairness. So, what exactly is that and how do you achieve it in reality. Fairness based on outcomes? Everybody gets the same paycheck regardless of skill or effort? Or fairness based on equal opportunity? Kinda hard to guarantee that, I would think. Suppose somebody fucks off, do you subsidize him anyway? Step up and explain how the concept of fairness works for you.

i'll answer the first question:

it's a kindergartner's lesson on fairness but i think it sums it up, fairly well!

HOW TO BE
A FAIR PERSON



Treat people the way you want to be treated.

Take Turns.

Tell the truth.

Play by the rules.

Think about how your actions will affect others.

Listen to people with an open mind.

Don't blame others for your mistakes.

Don't take advantage of other people.

Don't play favorites.

Sounds great, but i don't think many liberals follow this concept of fairness. Maybe they think it, but they ain't doing it.

 

[daveman]

"Now, now, be nice -- The Man is keeping him down. A vague, amorphous, undefined The Man who bears a suspicious resemblance to sloth and a bitter sense of entitlement."

IS that all you got... two posts?

That's all I got -- from one post in this one thread. It seems to be pretty representative of your general tone...ignorant and hateful.

man... I could fill a page with your hatred if I chose to.

No, you couldn't -- unless you fall back on the usual leftist tactic of redefining words...in this case, "hatred" meaning "disagreeing with a leftist".

But, like you.. I'll limit myself to ONE THREAD... in which you directly attacked me first.

Tissue?

BTW... you NEVER answered my question... what DO YOU DO for a living?

Retired USAF, currently seeking employment. And I don't recall having blamed anyone for my unemployment, either. And I especially don't want to put Special Olympians in a gas chamber.

That's just stupid.

 

[Steelplate]

Oh.... you are one of the Unemployed Rabble of our country?????

Get off your ass fuckwad. YOU are the reason this country is dying it's slow death.

BTW... about the Special Olympians? What the fuck is the difference? Hell a Gas Chamber is quicker and less painful than what you guys have in store... Cut their funding till they starve to death.

Don't even TRY to play Saint with me... I've seen the results of "Reaganomics". I've been in the Mental Retardation Field since 1986. You have no clue what your form of politics have done to our least capable.

 

[daveman]

Oh.... you are one of the Unemployed Rabble of our country?????

Get off your ass fuckwad. YOU are the reason this country is dying it's slow death.

BTW... about the Special Olympians? What the fuck is the difference? Hell a Gas Chamber is quicker and less painful than what you guys have in store... Cut their funding till they starve to death.

Don't even TRY to play Saint with me... I've seen the results of "Reaganomics". I've been in the Mental Retardation Field since 1986. You have no clue what your form of politics have done to our least capable.

See? More hate and ignorance. That's all you've got. Pure emotionalism driven by stereotype and a profoundly closed mind.

G'night, Skippy.

 

[Steelplate]

See? More hate and ignorance. That's all you've got. Pure emotionalism driven by stereotype and a profoundly closed mind.

G'night, Skippy.

Really? I know of what I speak... do you? I've seen it first hand... have you?

25 years of experience out of love and caring for people your side considers to be "throw aways".

C'mon gutless... get off your ass and do something. Start your own business if you believe in Capitalism so much. Put your money, your heart and your soul where your big mouth is.

You won't. Because you know damned well you'll be slaughtered.

G'night slick.

 

[thereisnospoon]

That's all I ever hear about from the liberals, we want fairness. So, what exactly is that and how do you achieve it in reality. Fairness based on outcomes? Everybody gets the same paycheck regardless of skill or effort? Or fairness based on equal opportunity? Kinda hard to guarantee that, I would think. Suppose somebody fucks off, do you subsidize him anyway? Step up and explain how the concept of fairness works for you.

Fairness is a process... not an outcome.

Let me in return ask you a question.... How much is too much? How much money, power and influence is too much? What is the difference if Tyranny evolves from government(NAZI's, USSR, China, N. Korea, the Middle East).... or from Corporate Dominance?

Suppose one Company has enough money, power and influence to buy out every other company in the country... should we let them?

EDIT.... Step up and explain YOUR rationale.

non sequitur.How much addresses no issue
The question no one on you side is willing to answer is "who gets to decide".
That question none of you will touch.

 

[thereisnospoon]

and here's the political perspectives...

LIBERALS - believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all. It is the duty of the government to alleviate social ills and to protect civil liberties and individual and human rights. Believe the role of the government should be to guarantee that no one is in need.

Liberal policies generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems.

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CONSERVATIVES - believe in personal responsibility, limited government, free markets, individual liberty, traditional American values and a strong national defense. Believe the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals.

Conservative policies generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems.

Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

What a crock.... I think we should ALL believe in EQUAL OPPORTUNITIES. Maybe not outcomes.. we all can fail... but we should all have the OPPORTUNITY to succeed or fail on our own accord.

You believe in Personal responsibility... Great... Stop driving on the roads I paid for. Make your own fucking road.

Free Markets... Great.. stop killing our small business community with Walmarts and Burger Kings. You want free Markets, yet you allow huge corporations to dominate and destroy any competition that comes their way... let me tell you something... that's NOT a free market.

What are your "Traditional American values"... let me guess.... Queers suck, aborters suck...Christianity is the ONLY Religion... and... just for argument's sake anyone who is different than you should be put to death immediately.... yeah... that's not Tyranny at all, is it?

Lastly... a strong defense.. Actually... I semi-agree with that sentiment... specifically the word DEFENSE. "nuff said on that subject.

Your middle paragraph is the all or nothing straw man...It is summarily rejected.
I don't see Burger King putting other fast food companies out of business.
Long before walmart there were large dept store chains all across the country.
Sears, Macy's, Caldor, Penney's, K-Mart....
Actually Walmart has done wonders to improve quality and convenience of the dept store experience.....Target now has super centers which sell groceries. Main stream grocery chains have had to improve their stores and lower prices to compete with Walmart and Target.