Fair Wage Pizza Parlor- Couldn't Earn A Profit- Closing

[Missourian]

Well, of course, when people can get away with paying the lowest wages, they'll attract the customers with the lowest prices. However if EVERYONE has to pay a living wage, then everyone has to charge higher prices and people have to pay a fair price for things.

That only works if customers have no alternatives.

Like I said...fast food places are already struggling at their current price point.

McDonald's Struggles to Repeat Success of All-Day Breakfast Launch

Here are some of the problems:

That’s been problematic across the restaurant industry, as economic uncertainty and falling grocery prices have hurt the sector.

It is external to that sector.

Exactly my point. A restaurant is competing against the cost of cooking at home. A homeowner may not bother to learn how to repair a broken pipe over the cost of a one time plumbing repair...or learn to cut in and lay carpet...or reshingle a roof...but ya got to eat everyday.

The point is, it belongs to capitalism. Why not ask Congress to micromanage the tax code to give business a break.

Why not keep Congress out of it in the first place.

Fast food workers make a low wage for a reason...almost anyone can do it. I got an after school job at Hardees when I was 13 years old...I made $3.25 an hour and was pleased as punch to have it.

It's an entry level position.

You know why so many people end up making it a career?

Loss of manufacturng jobs...a position the employers can afford to train a person a skill, then pay good skilled employees a living wage to keep them.

The same jobs Trump is working to restore while the Democrats and Liberals actively sabatoge him. It was government trade deals like Clinton's NAFTA and Obama's TPP that got us into this position. We can still fix it...but we have to do it now.

 

[Godboy]

Pizza probably sucked..


No?

The article says it was "popular".

If it was so popular people would of paid anything for it.

McDonald's is popular. Would you pay anything for it?

 

[danielpalos]

Well, of course, when people can get away with paying the lowest wages, they'll attract the customers with the lowest prices. However if EVERYONE has to pay a living wage, then everyone has to charge higher prices and people have to pay a fair price for things.

That only works if customers have no alternatives.

Like I said...fast food places are already struggling at their current price point.

McDonald's Struggles to Repeat Success of All-Day Breakfast Launch

Here are some of the problems:

That’s been problematic across the restaurant industry, as economic uncertainty and falling grocery prices have hurt the sector.

It is external to that sector.

Exactly my point. A restaurant is competing against the cost of cooking at home. A homeowner may not bother to learn how to repair a broken pipe over the cost of a one time plumbing repair...or learn to cut in and lay carpet...or reshingle a roof...but ya got to eat everyday.

The point is, it belongs to capitalism. Why not ask Congress to micromanage the tax code to give business a break.

Why not keep Congress out of it in the first place.

Fast food workers make a low wage for a reason...almost anyone can do it. I got an after school job at Hardees when I was 13 years old...I made $3.25 an hour and was pleased as punch to have it.

It's an entry level position.

You know why so many people end up making it a career?

Loss of manufacturng jobs...a position the employers can afford to train a person a skill, then pay good skilled employees a living wage to keep them.

The same jobs Trump is working to restore while the Democrats and Liberals actively sabatoge him. It was government trade deals like Clinton's NAFTA and Obama's TPP that got us into this position. We can still fix it...but we have to do it now.

Not very realistic. Are you on the right wing?

Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

 

[Missourian]

That only works if customers have no alternatives.

Like I said...fast food places are already struggling at their current price point.

McDonald's Struggles to Repeat Success of All-Day Breakfast Launch

Here are some of the problems:

That’s been problematic across the restaurant industry, as economic uncertainty and falling grocery prices have hurt the sector.

It is external to that sector.

Exactly my point. A restaurant is competing against the cost of cooking at home. A homeowner may not bother to learn how to repair a broken pipe over the cost of a one time plumbing repair...or learn to cut in and lay carpet...or reshingle a roof...but ya got to eat everyday.

The point is, it belongs to capitalism. Why not ask Congress to micromanage the tax code to give business a break.

Why not keep Congress out of it in the first place.

Fast food workers make a low wage for a reason...almost anyone can do it. I got an after school job at Hardees when I was 13 years old...I made $3.25 an hour and was pleased as punch to have it.

It's an entry level position.

You know why so many people end up making it a career?

Loss of manufacturng jobs...a position the employers can afford to train a person a skill, then pay good skilled employees a living wage to keep them.

The same jobs Trump is working to restore while the Democrats and Liberals actively sabatoge him. It was government trade deals like Clinton's NAFTA and Obama's TPP that got us into this position. We can still fix it...but we have to do it now.

Not very realistic. Are you on the right wing?

Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

What's the difference between paying the social services and paying the businesses via tax breaks to subsidize their employment forever?

 

[initforme]

Nobody should apply for east food jobs...let those places struggle and go under. I would lay for days. Will never happen though they will be allowed to serve their re and dumb folk will lap it up. Unreal. Sad. Not the America I grew up in. It's a corpiratocracy but I do my best to educate my kids against eating that toxic sludge. Dumb people.

 

[JimBowie1958]

How is a shop that pays a living wage supposed to compete with shops that do not?

The only way minimum wage works is EVERYONE pays it.

You should rephrase that...a employer can pay what ever wage they like, but a government mandate wage is ridiculous..let the market place decide ..

We have had a minimum wage since the middle ages.

why do you not want to conseve this humane law?

 

[JimBowie1958]

When they do that, prices will go up. Or everyone gets fucked... when prices go up, how will 13 or 14 bucks an hour matter? Then they will be bitching they can't afford to go out to eat, and then it starts back.
"Why don't we just pay everyone at 100 dollars an hour?" Is a very IRL argument.

It is a myth that every increase in cost for production is immediately passed on to the consumer.

Manufacturers can also cut their profits, find cheaper materials, etc, instead of forcing the consumer to pay more.

If they have healthy competition they wont immediately raise their prices. They only do that when they have a rigged pricing system that all other competitors agree to instead of honest competition.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The only way minimum wage works is EVERYONE pays it.

So you're saying SOCIALISM WORKS! The government sets all the prices!

Lol, a minimum wage does not equate to socialism, dude.

Minimum wage - Wikipedia

Modern minimum wage laws trace their origin to the Ordinance of Labourers (1349), which was a decree by King Edward III that set a maximum wage for laborers in medieval England.[6][7] King Edward III, who was a wealthy landowner, was dependent, like his lords, on serfs to work the land. In the autumn of 1348, the Black Plague reached England and decimated the population.[8] The severe shortage of labor caused wages to soar and encouraged King Edward III to set a wage ceiling. Subsequent amendments to the ordinance, such as the Statute of Labourers (1351), increased the penalties for paying a wage above the set rates.[6]

While the laws governing wages initially set a ceiling on compensation, they were eventually used to set a living wage. An amendment to the Statute of Labourers in 1389 effectively fixed wages to the price of food. As time passed, the Justice of the Peace, who was charged with setting the maximum wage, also began to set formal minimum wages. The practice was eventually formalized with the passage of the Act Fixing a Minimum Wage in 1604 by King James I for workers in the textile industry.[6]

By the early 19th century, the Statutes of Labourers was repealed as increasingly capitalistic England embraced laissez-faire policies which disfavored regulations of wages (whether upper or lower limits).[6] The subsequent 19th century saw significant labor unrest affect many industrial nations. As trade unions were decriminalized during the century, attempts to control wages through collective agreement were made. However, this meant that a uniform minimum wage was not possible. In Principles of Political Economy in 1848, John Stuart Mill argued that because of the collective action problems that workers faced in organisation, it was a justified departure from laissez-faire policies (or freedom of contract) to regulate people's wages and hours by law.

It was not until the 1890s that the first modern legislative attempts to regulate minimum wages were seen in New Zealand and Australia.[9] The movement for a minimum wage was initially focused on stopping sweatshop labor and controlling the proliferation of sweatshops in manufacturing industries.[10] The sweatshops employed large numbers of women and young workers, paying them what were considered to be substandard wages. The sweatshop owners were thought to have unfair bargaining power over their employees, and a minimum wage was proposed as a means to make them pay fairly. Over time, the focus changed to helping people, especially families, become more self-sufficient.[11]​

 

[JoeB131]

True, but unlike this place, they are profitable.

Sure, all they have to do is pay sub-standard wages to teenagers.... profit made.

Fuck, why not repeal those child labor laws!

 

[Mac1958]

The fundamentals of business economics, and how they relate to macroeconomics, really aren't all that complicated unless someone chooses to be willfully ignorant. Or dishonest.

 

[JoeB131]

The fundamentals of business economics, and how they relate to macroeconomics, really aren't all that complicated unless someone chooses to be willfully ignorant. Or dishonest.

Yes, we should totally tolerate the current system because the rich want it that way...

I'm sure they said that aobut Child labor 100 years ago.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I do profit sharing with my employees, and it works for everyone involved. It motivates them to not only produce more, but they love me for it. Treat your people well, let them experience the success and they will be loyal 9 times out of 10.

Yes, but that is incentive pay. It is a sound and rational business practice.

This pizza place was created to demonstrate or prove a social position, which is a bad basis for a business. If your model is based on proving that the laws of product costing are irrelevant, then the basis is not to provide value to the customer. No business can survive without fulfilling the value proposition.

 

[tigerred59]

Pizza probably sucked..


No?

Exactly, trust me, you put out a good ass kickin product, people will come, pay whatever and have at it....also note, there are thousands upon thousands of pizza joints spread all across this nation.....2 closing....give me a break!! While dude is stressing over a fuckin Pizza joint, look around....stores and malls are closing all over this country and warehouses are opening up, thanks to online shopping....warehouses that will so be robotized and again closings of HUMAN BEINGS!!

 

[danielpalos]

Here are some of the problems:

That’s been problematic across the restaurant industry, as economic uncertainty and falling grocery prices have hurt the sector.

It is external to that sector.

Exactly my point. A restaurant is competing against the cost of cooking at home. A homeowner may not bother to learn how to repair a broken pipe over the cost of a one time plumbing repair...or learn to cut in and lay carpet...or reshingle a roof...but ya got to eat everyday.

The point is, it belongs to capitalism. Why not ask Congress to micromanage the tax code to give business a break.

Why not keep Congress out of it in the first place.

Fast food workers make a low wage for a reason...almost anyone can do it. I got an after school job at Hardees when I was 13 years old...I made $3.25 an hour and was pleased as punch to have it.

It's an entry level position.

You know why so many people end up making it a career?

Loss of manufacturng jobs...a position the employers can afford to train a person a skill, then pay good skilled employees a living wage to keep them.

The same jobs Trump is working to restore while the Democrats and Liberals actively sabatoge him. It was government trade deals like Clinton's NAFTA and Obama's TPP that got us into this position. We can still fix it...but we have to do it now.

Not very realistic. Are you on the right wing?

Social services cost around fourteen dollars an hour, anyway.

What's the difference between paying the social services and paying the businesses via tax breaks to subsidize their employment forever?

Cost and spending. Government providing means usually have terms and conditions associated with them, for the poor.

Tax breaks could be to just help lousy capitalists, "make it".

Why does the right wing complain about social spending for the poor and not corporate welfare.