Failure of the Welfare State

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1. "News that the poverty rate has risen to 15.1
percent of Americans, the highest level in nearly
a decade,
has set off a predictable round of calls
for increased government spending on social
welfare programs. Yet this year the federal
government will spend more than $668 billion on at
least 126 different programs to fight poverty.
And that does not even begin to count welfare
spending by state and local governments,
which
adds $284 billion to that figure. In total, the
United States spends nearly $1 trillion every
year to fight poverty. That amounts to $20,610
for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per
poor family of three.

2. In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent,
more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.


3. Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient
.

4. Since 1964 the federal government spent roughly $12 trillion fighting
poverty, and state and local governments
added another $3 trillion. Yet the poverty
rate never fell below 10.5 percent and is now
at the highest level in nearly a decade.



5. ...federal welfare spending alone totals more than $14,848 for every poor man,
woman, and child in this country. For a typical poor family of three, that amounts to
more than $44,500. Combined with state and
local spending, government spends $20,610
for every poor person in America, or $61,830
per poor family of three.
Given that the poverty line for that family is just $18,530, we
should have theoretically wiped out poverty
in America many times over.

6. . … the poverty rate has remained relatively constant since 1965, despite rising
welfare spending. In fact, the only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,
culminating in the passage
of national welfare reform (the Personal Responsibility and Work Responsibility Act of
1996).


7. The vast majority of current programs are focused
on making poverty more comfortable—giving poor people more food, better shelter,
health care, and so forth—rather than giving
people the tools that will help them escape
poverty.
And we actually have a pretty solid
idea of the keys to getting out of and staying
out of poverty: (1) finish school; (2) do not
get pregnant outside marriage; and (3) get a
job, any job, and stick with it.

a. ...we can add one more important stepping stone on
the road out of poverty—savings and the accumulation of wealth.
... “for the vast majority of households,
the pathway out of poverty is not through
consumption, but through saving and accumulation.”

Michael Sherraden, Assets and the Poor: A New American Welfare Policy (Armonk, NY: M. E. Sharpe, 1991)."
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf
Scribd


Again:
"only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,"

So....conservatives were right....

The choice in November is clear.
 
Of course its a failure.

Once folks get on Welfare they have no incentive to get off.

Why should they?? Someone else is paying their bills, putting food on the table and pretty much taking over their responsibilities.

Most of them have no reason to make a change.

Again. Why would they??
 
1. "News that the poverty rate has risen to 15.1
percent of Americans, the highest level in nearly
a decade,
has set off a predictable round of calls
for increased government spending on social
welfare programs. Yet this year the federal
government will spend more than $668 billion on at
least 126 different programs to fight poverty.
And that does not even begin to count welfare
spending by state and local governments,
which
adds $284 billion to that figure. In total, the
United States spends nearly $1 trillion every
year to fight poverty. That amounts to $20,610
for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per
poor family of three.

2. In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent,
more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.


3. Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient
.

4. Since 1964 the federal government spent roughly $12 trillion fighting
poverty, and state and local governments
added another $3 trillion. Yet the poverty
rate never fell below 10.5 percent and is now
at the highest level in nearly a decade.



5. ...federal welfare spending alone totals more than $14,848 for every poor man,
woman, and child in this country. For a typical poor family of three, that amounts to
more than $44,500. Combined with state and
local spending, government spends $20,610
for every poor person in America, or $61,830
per poor family of three.
Given that the poverty line for that family is just $18,530, we
should have theoretically wiped out poverty
in America many times over.

6. . … the poverty rate has remained relatively constant since 1965, despite rising
welfare spending. In fact, the only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,
culminating in the passage
of national welfare reform (the Personal Responsibility and Work Responsibility Act of
1996).


7. The vast majority of current programs are focused
on making poverty more comfortable—giving poor people more food, better shelter,
health care, and so forth—rather than giving
people the tools that will help them escape
poverty.
And we actually have a pretty solid
idea of the keys to getting out of and staying
out of poverty: (1) finish school; (2) do not
get pregnant outside marriage; and (3) get a
job, any job, and stick with it.

a. ...we can add one more important stepping stone on
the road out of poverty—savings and the accumulation of wealth.
... “for the vast majority of households,
the pathway out of poverty is not through
consumption, but through saving and accumulation.”

Michael Sherraden, Assets and the Poor: A New American Welfare Policy (Armonk, NY: M. E. Sharpe, 1991)."
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf
Scribd


Again:
"only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,"

So....conservatives were right....

The choice in November is clear.


This is NOT the change I was hoping for Obama.

And yes, the republicans were right and so are the eoonomists who keep saying raising taxes will not fix the budget without drastic spending cuts.
 
It is the oldest lesson in the human experience. If you teach someone to do something for themselves then you engender self-reliance. If you give them everything that they need, you breed reliance and dependency. The left only has to look to the American Indians and the reservations to see what their entitlement mind set brings. But no, let's continue to 'give' and hope for a different outcome.

The south side of Chicago is a war zone. Hundreds of millions of dollars has done nothing to stem the tide of poverty, out-of-wedlock births and crime. Yet, we hear the same things today we have heard since LBJ... We must provide for those who do not have. What we must do is to provide a means to work your way out of the cycle of poverty... if you do not take the way out, then you're on your own.

Another EXCELLENT thread by Political Chic!
 
It is the oldest lesson in the human experience. If you teach someone to do something for themselves then you engender self-reliance. If you give them everything that they need, you breed reliance and dependency. The left only has to look to the American Indians and the reservations to see what their entitlement mind set brings. But no, let's continue to 'give' and hope for a different outcome.

The south side of Chicago is a war zone. Hundreds of millions of dollars has done nothing to stem the tide of poverty, out-of-wedlock births and crime. Yet, we hear the same things today we have heard since LBJ... We must provide for those who do not have. What we must do is to provide a means to work your way out of the cycle of poverty... if you do not take the way out, then you're on your own.

Another EXCELLENT thread by Political Chic!

"Give a man a fish, you have fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you have fed him for a lifetime" -Someone who isn't me :lol:
 
It is the oldest lesson in the human experience. If you teach someone to do something for themselves then you engender self-reliance. If you give them everything that they need, you breed reliance and dependency. The left only has to look to the American Indians and the reservations to see what their entitlement mind set brings. But no, let's continue to 'give' and hope for a different outcome.

The south side of Chicago is a war zone. Hundreds of millions of dollars has done nothing to stem the tide of poverty, out-of-wedlock births and crime. Yet, we hear the same things today we have heard since LBJ... We must provide for those who do not have. What we must do is to provide a means to work your way out of the cycle of poverty... if you do not take the way out, then you're on your own.

Another EXCELLENT thread by Political Chic!

Thank you for the kind words, Sniper....
And your post was the direction that I was hoping to see this going.

It is not only about money....it is about the human spirit.



From Peter Ferrara, “America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb,” chapter five:

1. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Such should be the epitaph of Liberalism.

2. ‘Welfare’ as a wholly owned subsidiary of the government, and its main result is the incentivizing of a disrespect for oneself, and for the entity that provides the welfare. As more folks in a poor neighborhood languish with little or no work, entire local culture begins to change: daily work is no longer the expected social norm. Extended periods of hanging around the neighborhood, neither working nor going to school becoming more and more socially acceptable.

a. Since productive activity not making any economic sense because of the work disincentives of the welfare plantation, other kinds of activities proliferate: drug and alcohol abuse, crime, recreational sex, illegitimacy, and family breakup are the new social norms, as does the culture of violence.

b. "The lessons of history … show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."
These searing words about Depression-era welfare are from Franklin Roosevelt's 1935 State of the Union Address.
 
It is the oldest lesson in the human experience. If you teach someone to do something for themselves then you engender self-reliance. If you give them everything that they need, you breed reliance and dependency. The left only has to look to the American Indians and the reservations to see what their entitlement mind set brings. But no, let's continue to 'give' and hope for a different outcome.

The south side of Chicago is a war zone. Hundreds of millions of dollars has done nothing to stem the tide of poverty, out-of-wedlock births and crime. Yet, we hear the same things today we have heard since LBJ... We must provide for those who do not have. What we must do is to provide a means to work your way out of the cycle of poverty... if you do not take the way out, then you're on your own.

Another EXCELLENT thread by Political Chic!

"Give a man a fish, you have fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you have fed him for a lifetime" -Someone who isn't me :lol:

Oh, that old canard again. The real story is: "Give a man a fish, you have fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he spends a considerable amount of the rest of his life in a boat drinking beer."
 
It is the oldest lesson in the human experience. If you teach someone to do something for themselves then you engender self-reliance. If you give them everything that they need, you breed reliance and dependency. The left only has to look to the American Indians and the reservations to see what their entitlement mind set brings. But no, let's continue to 'give' and hope for a different outcome.

The south side of Chicago is a war zone. Hundreds of millions of dollars has done nothing to stem the tide of poverty, out-of-wedlock births and crime. Yet, we hear the same things today we have heard since LBJ... We must provide for those who do not have. What we must do is to provide a means to work your way out of the cycle of poverty... if you do not take the way out, then you're on your own.

Another EXCELLENT thread by Political Chic!

"Give a man a fish, you have fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you have fed him for a lifetime" -Someone who isn't me :lol:

Oh, that old canard again. The real story is: "Give a man a fish, you have fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and he spends a considerable amount of the rest of his life in a boat drinking beer."

Not if they are muslim or mormon ;)
 
1. "News that the poverty rate has risen to 15.1
percent of Americans, the highest level in nearly
a decade,
has set off a predictable round of calls
for increased government spending on social
welfare programs. Yet this year the federal
government will spend more than $668 billion on at
least 126 different programs to fight poverty.
And that does not even begin to count welfare
spending by state and local governments,
which
adds $284 billion to that figure. In total, the
United States spends nearly $1 trillion every
year to fight poverty. That amounts to $20,610
for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per
poor family of three.

2. In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent,
more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.


3. Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient
.

4. Since 1964 the federal government spent roughly $12 trillion fighting
poverty, and state and local governments
added another $3 trillion. Yet the poverty
rate never fell below 10.5 percent and is now
at the highest level in nearly a decade.



5. ...federal welfare spending alone totals more than $14,848 for every poor man,
woman, and child in this country. For a typical poor family of three, that amounts to
more than $44,500. Combined with state and
local spending, government spends $20,610
for every poor person in America, or $61,830
per poor family of three.
Given that the poverty line for that family is just $18,530, we
should have theoretically wiped out poverty
in America many times over.

6. . … the poverty rate has remained relatively constant since 1965, despite rising
welfare spending. In fact, the only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,
culminating in the passage
of national welfare reform (the Personal Responsibility and Work Responsibility Act of
1996).


7. The vast majority of current programs are focused
on making poverty more comfortable—giving poor people more food, better shelter,
health care, and so forth—rather than giving
people the tools that will help them escape
poverty.
And we actually have a pretty solid
idea of the keys to getting out of and staying
out of poverty: (1) finish school; (2) do not
get pregnant outside marriage; and (3) get a
job, any job, and stick with it.

a. ...we can add one more important stepping stone on
the road out of poverty—savings and the accumulation of wealth.
... “for the vast majority of households,
the pathway out of poverty is not through
consumption, but through saving and accumulation.”

Michael Sherraden, Assets and the Poor: A New American Welfare Policy (Armonk, NY: M. E. Sharpe, 1991)."
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf
Scribd


Again:
"only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,"

So....conservatives were right....

The choice in November is clear.

Progressives keep the poor poor so they can throw them a bone and brainwash them to believe that they're doing everything possible to help them - and they do this in exchange for their vote...

Every issue progressives fight for is manufactured by progressives and they manufacture these issues because its job security for them.

Would there even be a democrat party if it wasn't for "poverty" and "racism??" hell no - so what incentive is it for them to put an end to poverty and racism???

Democrats are the ones who create and continue these problems just so they can swoop in and pretend to be the loving and caring hero...

Meanwhile those who just want to live normal lives are degraded by progressives because we have a few bucks in our pocket and work hard for it - and we want to be left alone..
 
The Democrats wanted to push for a trillion dollar stimulus, most or all of it going to their clientele and other supporters, but were afraid of spooking the markets. What happened was a scene out of Tiny Tim's excursion tiptoeing through the tulips tossing taxpayer dollars helter skelter, Solyndra, Fisker, Lightsquared, GSA,. The GSA scandal as well as the Secret Service are the boils erupting on the surface as Obama disease penetrates further and further into this government, festering and spreading generating new boil after new eruption in what will eventually be acknowledged as at least the most corrupt administration since US Grants and probably even exceeding it. The "Chicago Jesus" bringing us the "Chicago Way".

The GSA Scandal: What Does It Mean? | Power Line
 
The Democrats wanted to push for a trillion dollar stimulus, most or all of it going to their clientele and other supporters, but were afraid of spooking the markets.



Worse, the economy seems to be slowing, which the Leftists can have at any price, so they will crank up the pressure on the Fed for QE3.
 
Thanks for the Depression and the the stupidest wars ever, and 9/11 for that matter, incompetent, greedy Pubs and silly dupes. AND screwing up the recovery. Only brainwashed morons can't see the truth.
Great job making college and training as expensive and difficult as possible, producing the worst upward mobility and rich poor gap EVER. Pub dupes!! Absolute idiocy...
 
It is the oldest lesson in the human experience. If you teach someone to do something for themselves then you engender self-reliance. If you give them everything that they need, you breed reliance and dependency. The left only has to look to the American Indians and the reservations to see what their entitlement mind set brings. But no, let's continue to 'give' and hope for a different outcome.

The south side of Chicago is a war zone. Hundreds of millions of dollars has done nothing to stem the tide of poverty, out-of-wedlock births and crime. Yet, we hear the same things today we have heard since LBJ... We must provide for those who do not have. What we must do is to provide a means to work your way out of the cycle of poverty... if you do not take the way out, then you're on your own.

Another EXCELLENT thread by Political Chic!



I agree. Great post.

Wonder how Truthsplatters would like these "cold hardfacts?"

Don't think they quite jibe with her "cold hard facts."
 
Thanks for the Depression and the the stupidest wars ever, and 9/11 for that matter, incompetent, greedy Pubs and silly dupes. AND screwing up the recovery. Only brainwashed morons can't see the truth.
Great job making college and training as expensive and difficult as possible, producing the worst upward mobility and rich poor gap EVER. Pub dupes!! Absolute idiocy...

As a point curiosity, my little compendium of fatuity…......

....did all of the books you've read begin with

"Once upon a time...."?
 
FOOD STAMPS HELPED REDUCE THE POVERTY RATE, STUDY FINDS

WASHINGTON — A new study by the Agriculture Department has found that food stamps, one of the country’s largest social safety net programs, reduced the poverty rate substantially during the recent recession. The food stamp program, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, or SNAP, reduced the poverty rate by nearly 8 percent in 2009, the most recent year included in the study, a significant impact for a social program whose effects often go unnoticed by policy makers.

...The stimulus package pushed by President Obama and enacted by Congress significantly boosted funding for the program as a temporary relief for families who had fallen on hard times in the recession.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/us/food-stamp-program-helping-reduce-poverty.html

*****

So, contrary to the illusions of the OP, the social programs for the poor actually, irrefutably, kept the poverty rate from being even worse.

And note that the GOP, in order to pay for tax cuts for Mitt and Ann Romney and their fellow rich folks, want to CUT the food stamp program,

thus putting more people back into poverty.
 
1. "News that the poverty rate has risen to 15.1
percent of Americans, the highest level in nearly
a decade,
has set off a predictable round of calls
for increased government spending on social
welfare programs. Yet this year the federal
government will spend more than $668 billion on at
least 126 different programs to fight poverty.
And that does not even begin to count welfare
spending by state and local governments,
which
adds $284 billion to that figure. In total, the
United States spends nearly $1 trillion every
year to fight poverty. That amounts to $20,610
for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per
poor family of three.

2. In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent,
more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.


3. Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient
.

4. Since 1964 the federal government spent roughly $12 trillion fighting
poverty, and state and local governments
added another $3 trillion. Yet the poverty
rate never fell below 10.5 percent and is now
at the highest level in nearly a decade.



5. ...federal welfare spending alone totals more than $14,848 for every poor man,
woman, and child in this country. For a typical poor family of three, that amounts to
more than $44,500. Combined with state and
local spending, government spends $20,610
for every poor person in America, or $61,830
per poor family of three.
Given that the poverty line for that family is just $18,530, we
should have theoretically wiped out poverty
in America many times over.

6. . … the poverty rate has remained relatively constant since 1965, despite rising
welfare spending. In fact, the only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,
culminating in the passage
of national welfare reform (the Personal Responsibility and Work Responsibility Act of
1996).


7. The vast majority of current programs are focused
on making poverty more comfortable—giving poor people more food, better shelter,
health care, and so forth—rather than giving
people the tools that will help them escape
poverty.
And we actually have a pretty solid
idea of the keys to getting out of and staying
out of poverty: (1) finish school; (2) do not
get pregnant outside marriage; and (3) get a
job, any job, and stick with it.

a. ...we can add one more important stepping stone on
the road out of poverty—savings and the accumulation of wealth.
... “for the vast majority of households,
the pathway out of poverty is not through
consumption, but through saving and accumulation.”

Michael Sherraden, Assets and the Poor: A New American Welfare Policy (Armonk, NY: M. E. Sharpe, 1991)."
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf
Scribd


Again:
"only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,"

So....conservatives were right....

The choice in November is clear.

Progressives keep the poor poor so they can throw them a bone and brainwash them to believe that they're doing everything possible to help them - and they do this in exchange for their vote...

Every issue progressives fight for is manufactured by progressives and they manufacture these issues because its job security for them.

Would there even be a democrat party if it wasn't for "poverty" and "racism??" hell no - so what incentive is it for them to put an end to poverty and racism???

Democrats are the ones who create and continue these problems just so they can swoop in and pretend to be the loving and caring hero...

Meanwhile those who just want to live normal lives are degraded by progressives because we have a few bucks in our pocket and work hard for it - and we want to be left alone..

PROGRESSIVES!!!!???? :confused:

Uhhh.....maybe you should know that the RED STATES are the most prominant welfare states. :tongue:

So the way I figure it if we got rid of the RED STATES we'd all be better off.

The RED STATES are the biggest moochers.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/03/11/red-states-are-the-real-welfare-states/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/opinion/krugman-moochers-against-welfare.html

http://scatter.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/red-state-blue-state-welfare-state-subsidizing-state/
 
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