Failure of the Welfare State

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    1. "News that the poverty rate has risen to 15.1
    percent of Americans, the highest level in nearly
    a decade,
    has set off a predictable round of calls
    for increased government spending on social
    welfare programs. Yet this year the federal
    government will spend more than $668 billion on at
    least 126 different programs to fight poverty.
    And that does not even begin to count welfare
    spending by state and local governments,
    which
    adds $284 billion to that figure. In total, the
    United States spends nearly $1 trillion every
    year to fight poverty. That amounts to $20,610
    for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per
    poor family of three.

    2. In fact, since
    President Obama took office, federal welfare
    spending has increased by 41 percent,
    more
    than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
    trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
    Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
    poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.


    3. Throwing money at the problem has neither
    reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient
    .

    4. Since 1964 the federal government spent roughly $12 trillion fighting
    poverty, and state and local governments
    added another $3 trillion. Yet the poverty
    rate never fell below 10.5 percent and is now
    at the highest level in nearly a decade.



    5. ...federal welfare spending alone totals more than $14,848 for every poor man,
    woman, and child in this country. For a typical poor family of three, that amounts to
    more than $44,500. Combined with state and
    local spending, government spends $20,610
    for every poor person in America, or $61,830
    per poor family of three.
    Given that the poverty line for that family is just $18,530, we
    should have theoretically wiped out poverty
    in America many times over.

    6. . … the poverty rate has remained relatively constant since 1965, despite rising
    welfare spending. In fact, the only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
    state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,
    culminating in the passage
    of national welfare reform (the Personal Responsibility and Work Responsibility Act of
    1996).


    7. The vast majority of current programs are focused
    on making poverty more comfortable—giving poor people more food, better shelter,
    health care, and so forth—rather than giving
    people the tools that will help them escape
    poverty.
    And we actually have a pretty solid
    idea of the keys to getting out of and staying
    out of poverty: (1) finish school; (2) do not
    get pregnant outside marriage; and (3) get a
    job, any job, and stick with it.

    a. ...we can add one more important stepping stone on
    the road out of poverty—savings and the accumulation of wealth.
    ... “for the vast majority of households,
    the pathway out of poverty is not through
    consumption, but through saving and accumulation.”

    Michael Sherraden, Assets and the Poor: A New American Welfare Policy (Armonk, NY: M. E. Sharpe, 1991)."
    http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/PA694.pdf
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    Again:
    "only appreciable decline occurred in the 1990s, a time of
    state experimentation with tightening welfare eligibility,"

    So....conservatives were right....

    The choice in November is clear.
     
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    Of course its a failure.

    Once folks get on Welfare they have no incentive to get off.

    Why should they?? Someone else is paying their bills, putting food on the table and pretty much taking over their responsibilities.

    Most of them have no reason to make a change.

    Again. Why would they??
     
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    I think Lefty would rather talk about Romney's dog.
     
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    This is NOT the change I was hoping for Obama.

    And yes, the republicans were right and so are the eoonomists who keep saying raising taxes will not fix the budget without drastic spending cuts.
     
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    I don't think they would considering this

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_5C45Al7wY]Obama Admits that He Ate Dog Meat (OFFICIAL HD) - YouTube[/ame]
     
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    eeeewwww.


    Eating family pets is unAmerican.


    At least he is still against slaughtering Horses for food.
     
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    It is the oldest lesson in the human experience. If you teach someone to do something for themselves then you engender self-reliance. If you give them everything that they need, you breed reliance and dependency. The left only has to look to the American Indians and the reservations to see what their entitlement mind set brings. But no, let's continue to 'give' and hope for a different outcome.

    The south side of Chicago is a war zone. Hundreds of millions of dollars has done nothing to stem the tide of poverty, out-of-wedlock births and crime. Yet, we hear the same things today we have heard since LBJ... We must provide for those who do not have. What we must do is to provide a means to work your way out of the cycle of poverty... if you do not take the way out, then you're on your own.

    Another EXCELLENT thread by Political Chic!
     
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    And the dog probably enjoyed the ride on the roof!
     
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    "Give a man a fish, you have fed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you have fed him for a lifetime" -Someone who isn't me :lol:
     
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    Thank you for the kind words, Sniper....
    And your post was the direction that I was hoping to see this going.

    It is not only about money....it is about the human spirit.



    From Peter Ferrara, “America’s Ticking Bankruptcy Bomb,” chapter five:

    1. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Such should be the epitaph of Liberalism.

    2. ‘Welfare’ as a wholly owned subsidiary of the government, and its main result is the incentivizing of a disrespect for oneself, and for the entity that provides the welfare. As more folks in a poor neighborhood languish with little or no work, entire local culture begins to change: daily work is no longer the expected social norm. Extended periods of hanging around the neighborhood, neither working nor going to school becoming more and more socially acceptable.

    a. Since productive activity not making any economic sense because of the work disincentives of the welfare plantation, other kinds of activities proliferate: drug and alcohol abuse, crime, recreational sex, illegitimacy, and family breakup are the new social norms, as does the culture of violence.

    b. "The lessons of history … show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."
    These searing words about Depression-era welfare are from Franklin Roosevelt's 1935 State of the Union Address.
     
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