Facts on Health Care: what people are afraid of

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    People here and other places are afraid of rational discussion of how countries pay for health care and how we in America can fix things. The day we face this shit honestly and head on we have to admit failure and how our world views have led us to be treated like fools by the powers that be...insurance companies and their paid agents.

    Why not consider a debate on the merits of this...Sick Around The World: How 5 Capitalist Democracies Pay For Health Care---Flaws and All?
     
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    You aren't even looking at half the picture now ... 1/10th a picture does not a clear image make.
     
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    FRONTLINE: sick around the world: five capitalist democracies & how they do it | PBS

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    The arguments being thrown around about the Health Care Plans being socialist or something like that are bogus, but they are not only based on how to pay for things...they are red herrings about a government take over of the health care system---hospitals, doctors, etc.

    We should be debating how to P-A-Y for health care. What do we already pay and what would a single payer or other type plan look like.
     
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    Really ... so who would you have decide how much it will cost us?

    As I said, you are only looking at 1/10th the picture.
     
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    How much does it cost us now...private and public? We all pay for the uninsured in emergencies. Many people get government paid insurance coverage (vets-tricare, eldery, disabled, children, etc...). No serious person I know of is proposing a government takeover of hospitals and doctors and pharmacies.

    What is teh cost now? think... :idea:
     
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    You are talking to drones... and you want them to think? They'd rather cut off their heads than think. That's essentially what they're doing by not even considering what's really going on with health care.
     
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    Fear, anger, anxiety, and hate and confusion mixed with poor critical thinking facilities in the mind of the average American makes for a great Free Market to rip people off with for-profit health insurance as the only player in the Free Market. :lol:
     
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    I honestly wish that Republicans had come up with health care reform, because then at least the drones would just do what they said. I've give up on Republican voters actually thinking about positions long ago. They are usually only the very successful business owners, and it's typically people like my uncle who are only thinking about how taxes are going to effect them personally (even though it's usually from a "I can only see the tip of my own nose perspective"). Meaning, there are a lot of tax policies that benefit the rich in the long run, but they can't even see that.

    What can you do? Keep trying to point out that they are being lied to. I have converted a few Republicans (hard core republicans) that I've worked with in the past. All you can do is keep talking to them, and if they are intelligent, at some point good sense will knock them on their heads.
     
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    Obama realizes this also with the government run postal service. I just have to post this on all health care boards. These are HIS words today.

    As long as they have a good product and the government plan has to sustain itself through premiums and other non-tax revenue, private insurers should be able to compete with the government plan, Obama said.

    "They do it all the time," he said. "UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. ... It's the Post Office that's always having problems."

    I wonder what problems a government run health care system would entail, hmmmm skyrocketing taxes on everything and everyone, rationing of care, check out the taxes on gasoline in all of the countries who have socialized medicine- go to Ask Jeeves- taxes on gasoline in Italy, see the comparison over the last 20 years, they are more than double ours.
     

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