Fact Checking Rep. Bachmann's "Tea Party Response" To The State Of The Union

[B. Kidd]

Obama lied in the SOTU. Ryan lied in his response. Bachman lied in her response. Color me shocked. Same old shit, different day.

Some of us are getting bored with the whole spin cycle. So we mock those who are dizzy.

Don't you think politicians who wield power and influence who are dizzy deserve to be mocked?
Bachman's inability to grasp Basic U.S. History 101 & 102 is stunning, to say the least.

Is Bachman the President? No. Has she announced that she's running in '12? No. Is she my Senator? No. (Although - I would actually prefer her to the twin bitches I'm stuck with).

I have no interest in Bachman until I have a reason to be interested.

No interest.

Copy that.

 

[B. Kidd]

Actually, if Nancy Pelosi got a total makeover as a tea partier, she would BE Michelle Bachman.

What?????

Both of them, respective to their idiotologies, are not the sharpest pencils in the box.

 

[The Infidel]

Don't you think politicians who wield power and influence who are dizzy deserve to be mocked?
Bachman's inability to grasp Basic U.S. History 101 & 102 is stunning, to say the least.

Is Bachman the President? No. Has she announced that she's running in '12? No. Is she my Senator? No. (Although - I would actually prefer her to the twin bitches I'm stuck with).

I have no interest in Bachman until I have a reason to be interested.

No interest.

Copy that.

Then why mention her name?

Your scared of Bachman.... thats why!

 

[B. Kidd]

LOL. President Obama delivered a well thought out speech. It said some things that needed said, and put some ideas out there. Not a great inspiring speech, not a red meat for the base speech. Just a 'here's where we are and here is what we need to do the get where we want to get' speech.

And that presents the Republicans with a problem. How to respond without looking like fools. Bachman responded as normal, and looked like the fool she is. Ryan hit the snooze button. Politically, it was a win for our President.

Politically, a new low bar has been set for what you consider a win. An ongoing ravaging of the middle class and the poor were never ever mentioned by Obama.
It was a SOTU speech befitting of an emergent immaculate Plutocrat.

 

[jgarden]

"Birthers," "death panels," "blood libel" - since when has the political "right" let the facts interfere with a good tirade?

The conservative "tried-and-true" strategy, as evidenced in this and other forums, consists of -
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1. put the liberals on the defensive by throwing out "accusations" that have no basis in fact - the more outrageous the better
current examples from the usual "unreliable" sources:
a) "Mr. President, you don't believe in the Constitution. You believe in socialism." (ScreamingEagle)
b) Prediction: Obama will not run in Arizona over birth certificate (Flagwavrusa)
c) Abercrombie Admits There Are No Obama Birth Records In Hawaii (dvinman)
d) Anti-American song played at Obama state dinner...surprised? (whitehall)
e) Don't Fall For All Of This Centerist BS From The Media (mudwhistle)

2. sit back and watch the liberals scurrying around trying to refute it

3. dispute and question the validity of any data source that doesn't put consservative issues in a favorable light (unlike liberals, conservatives very rarely make any attempt to provide reliable sources or references)

4. before the liberals have had an opportunity to totally "debunk" the original thread, conservatives will proceed to post another thread(s) and start the whole process all over again

5. "flooding" the forum with "right-wing" threads is the easiest, "low-maintenance" way for conservatives (who have notoriously weak debating and research skills) to set the agenda and thereby attempt to keep the liberals on the defensive

6. the big mistake liberals are making is looking for signs of "intelligent life" in conservative threads - where none exists

 

[B. Kidd]

Is Bachman the President? No. Has she announced that she's running in '12? No. Is she my Senator? No. (Although - I would actually prefer her to the twin bitches I'm stuck with).

I have no interest in Bachman until I have a reason to be interested.

No interest.

Copy that.

Then why mention her name?

Your scared of Bachman.... thats why!

Apprehensive. I get apprehensive whenever stupid and influential are joined at the hip.

 

[The Infidel]

No interest.

Copy that.

Then why mention her name?

Your scared of Bachman.... thats why!

Apprehensive. I get apprehensive whenever stupid and influential are joined at the hip.

Apprehensive....?

I didnt say you were Apprehensive.... I said you are SCARED of her!

I bet you piss the bed at night just thinking about her

 

[B. Kidd]

Then why mention her name?

Your scared of Bachman.... thats why!

Apprehensive. I get apprehensive whenever stupid and influential are joined at the hip.

Apprehensive....?

I didnt say you were Apprehensive.... I said you are SCARED of her!

I bet you piss the bed at night just thinking about her

Bachman's deficit graph went back, what, a whole ten years? At least Ryan's response layed the blame for the state of the economy realistically at the feet of both parties over a much longer period.

 

[signelect]

Obama has never done anything for him self in his life. He pays BIG money for speech writers just like all presidents. He was appealing to his base and we all know them. I will not insult everyone who voted for him but if they will quit believing the lies and realize that the promises he made are not coming through then maybe , just maybe they won't vote for him next time. I didn't the first time and darn sure won't in 2012.

 

[Trajan]

Fact Checking Rep. Bachmann's "Tea Party Response" To The State Of The Union | Political Correction

Will Bachmann ever get any focking thing correct and stop shooting off typical rightwing false propaganda?

*sigh*

FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger

FACT CHECK: A tricky juggling act as Obama urges more spending and a freeze on spending

Calvin Woodward, Associated Press, On Tuesday January 25, 2011, 10:24 pm EST

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The ledger did not appear to be adding up Tuesday night when President Barack Obama urged more spending on one hand and a spending freeze on the other.

Obama spoke ambitiously of putting money into roads, research, education, efficient cars, high-speed rail and other initiatives in his State of the Union speech. He pointed to the transportation and construction projects of the last two years and proposed "we redouble these efforts." He coupled this with a call to "freeze annual domestic spending for the next five years."

But Obama offered far more examples of where he would spend than where he would cut, and some of the areas he identified for savings are not certain to yield much if anything.

For example, he said he wants to eliminate "billions in taxpayer dollars we currently give to oil companies." Yet he made a similar proposal last year that went nowhere. He sought $36.5 billion in tax increases on oil and gas companies over the next decade, but Congress largely ignored the request, even though Democrats were then in charge of both houses of Congress.

A look at some of Obama's statements Tuesday night and how they compare with the facts:

OBAMA: Tackling the deficit "means further reducing health care costs, including programs like Medicare and Medicaid, which are the single biggest contributor to our long-term deficit. Health insurance reform will slow these rising costs, which is part of why nonpartisan economists have said that repealing the health care law would add a quarter of a trillion dollars to our deficit."

THE FACTS: The idea that Obama's health care law saves money for the government is based on some arguable assumptions.

To be sure, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has estimated the law will slightly reduce red ink over 10 years. But the office's analysis assumes that steep cuts in Medicare spending, as called for in the law, will actually take place. Others in the government have concluded it is unrealistic to expect such savings from Medicare.

In recent years, for example, Congress has repeatedly overridden a law that would save the treasury billions by cutting deeply into Medicare pay for doctors. Just last month, the government once again put off the scheduled cuts for another year, at a cost of $19 billion. That money is being taken out of the health care overhaul. Congress has shown itself sensitive to pressure from seniors and their doctors, and there's little reason to think that will change.

OBAMA: Vowed to veto any bills sent to him that include "earmarks," pet spending provisions pushed by individual lawmakers. "Both parties in Congress should know this: If a bill comes to my desk with earmarks inside, I will veto it."

THE FACTS: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, has promised that no bill with earmarks will be sent to Obama in the first place. Republicans have taken the lead in battling earmarks while Obama signed plenty of earmark-laden spending bills when Democrats controlled both houses.

It's a turnabout for the president; in early 2009, Obama sounded like an apologist for the practice: "Done right, earmarks have given legislators the opportunity to direct federal money to worthy projects that benefit people in their districts, and that's why I've opposed their outright elimination," he said then.

OBAMA: "I'm willing to look at other ideas to bring down costs, including one that Republicans suggested last year: medical malpractice reform to rein in frivolous lawsuits."

THE FACTS: Republicans may be forgiven if this offer makes them feel like Charlie Brown running up to kick the football, only to have it pulled away, again.

Obama has expressed openness before to this prominent Republican proposal, but it has not come to much. It was one of several GOP ideas that were dropped or diminished in the health care law after Obama endorsed them in a televised bipartisan meeting at the height of the debate.

Republicans want federal action to limit jury awards in medical malpractice cases; what Obama appears to be offering, by supporting state efforts, falls short of that. The president has said he agrees that fear of being sued leads to unnecessary tests and procedures that drive up health care costs. So far the administration has only wanted to pay for pilot programs and studies.

Trial lawyers, major political donors to Democratic candidates, are strongly opposed to caps on jury awards. But the administration has been reluctant to support other approaches, such as the creation of specialized courts where expert judges, not juries, would decide malpractice cases.

OBAMA: Praised the "important progress" made by the bipartisan fiscal commission he created last year.

THE FACTS: The panel's co-chairmen last month recommended a painful mix of spending cuts and tax increases, each of them unpopular with one constituency or another, including raising the Social Security retirement age, cutting future benefit increases, raising the gasoline tax and rolling back popular tax breaks like the mortgage interest deduction. But Obama has yet to sign on to any of the ideas, even though he promised when creating the panel that it would not be "one of those Washington gimmicks."

Obama missed another chance Tuesday night to embrace the tough medicine proposed by the commission for bringing down the deficit. For example, the president said he wanted to "strengthen Social Security for future generations" -- but ruled out slashing benefits or partially privatizing the program, and made no reference to raising the retirement age. That left listeners to guess how he plans to do anything to salvage the popular retirement program whose trust funds are expected to run out of money in 2037 without changes.

OBAMA: As testament to the fruits of his administration's diplomatic efforts to control the spread of nuclear weapons, he said the Iranian government "faces tougher and tighter sanctions than ever before."

THE FACTS: That is true, and it reflects Obama's promise one year ago that Iran would face "growing consequences" if it failed to heed international demands to constrain its nuclear program. But what Obama didn't say was that U.S. diplomacy has failed to persuade Tehran to negotiate over U.N. demands that it take steps to prove it is not on the path toward a bomb. Preliminary talks with Iran earlier this month broke off after the Iranians demanded U.S. sanctions be lifted.

Associated Press writers Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Jim Drinkard, Erica Werner, Jim Kuhnhenn, Andrew Taylor, Stephen Ohlemacher and Robert Burns contributed to this report.


FACT CHECK: Obama and his imbalanced ledger - Yahoo! Finance

 

[California Girl]

Obama has never done anything for him self in his life. He pays BIG money for speech writers just like all presidents. He was appealing to his base and we all know them. I will not insult everyone who voted for him but if they will quit believing the lies and realize that the promises he made are not coming through then maybe , just maybe they won't vote for him next time. I didn't the first time and darn sure won't in 2012.

He doesn't pay for his speech writers. We do. They are government employees. And, rightly so. Every other President has availed themselves of the same benefit.... and it is important that they do... because they are professional writers who can translate complex information in an accessible fashion. I have no issue at all with him using speech writers.

I do, however, take exception to the bullshit contained in that speech... but that's Obama's fault, not his writer.

 

[The Infidel]

Apprehensive. I get apprehensive whenever stupid and influential are joined at the hip.

Apprehensive....?

I didnt say you were Apprehensive.... I said you are SCARED of her!

I bet you piss the bed at night just thinking about her

Bachman's deficit graph went back, what, a whole ten years? At least Ryan's response layed the blame for the state of the economy realistically at the feet of both parties over a much longer period.

So let me get this right.... the substance was'nt wrong, she just didnt go back far enough?

Ok..... maybe she should have, but all it would do is substantiate her point.

Bottom line is... you libs are scared of Bauchman.

 

[Sarah G]

I saw the speech. Nothing really jumped out at me as lies. This morning I did a search and found no site listing factual lies. Perhaps you could share your links that show the lying in the SOTU speech. I'm not a huge supporter of Obama..... But your statement I find outrageous. Not in that you don't like him..in that you claimed his speech was all lies.

Bachmann did make some pretty stupid statements recently in regards to the American history of immigrants and slavery. They were factually off the chart wrong. She really is an embarrassment.

So are you saying that Michelle Bachman is the Cynthia McKinney of the right??

Actually, if Nancy Pelosi got a total makeover as a tea partier, she would BE Michelle Bachman.

Ahhh no. Sarah Palin is even a brain trust compared to Bachman. Nancy Pelosi is very bright. You all have no one with any sense in that party.

 

[jgarden]

Apprehensive....?

I didnt say you were Apprehensive.... I said you are SCARED of her!

I bet you piss the bed at night just thinking about her

Bachman's deficit graph went back, what, a whole ten years? At least Ryan's response layed the blame for the state of the economy realistically at the feet of both parties over a much longer period.

So let me get this right.... the substance was'nt wrong, she just didnt go back far enough?

Ok..... maybe she should have, but all it would do is substantiate her point.

Bottom line is... you libs are scared of Bauchman.

BRILLIANT STRATEGY !!!!!

1. liberal response to "birthers" - Bottom line is... you conservatives are scared of Obama

2. liberal response to "death panels" - Bottom line is... you conservatives are scared of Obamacare

3. liberal response to "blood libel" - Bottom line is... you conservatives are scared of the repercussions when you allow every mentally unstable American out on the street to exercise his/her 2nd Amendment Rights.

4. liberal response to "_____" - Bottom line is... you conservatives are scared of "__________" (fill in the blanks)

 

[ba1614]

You mocking him has nothing whatsoever to do with the idiot response of Bachman .. who appears to have never picked up a history book in her life.

Obama lied in the SOTU. Ryan lied in his response. Bachman lied in her response. Color me shocked. Same old shit, different day.

Some of us are getting bored with the whole spin cycle. So we mock those who are dizzy.

Don't you think politicians who wield power and influence who are dizzy deserve to be mocked?
Bachman's inability to grasp Basic U.S. History 101 & 102 is stunning, to say the least.

Were you just as critical of the obamas inability to grasp American Geography 101?

 

[uscitizen]

Is Willow Bachmann?

 

[xotoxi]

PoliticalCorrection.org..... a project of Media Matters. This is the OP's idea of a fact check source. And he wonders why I mock him.

That fact check source tried to spin things in their direction as fast as Bachmann tried to spin things in her direction.

I'm getting dizzy. Time to rest.

 

[B. Kidd]

Obama lied in the SOTU. Ryan lied in his response. Bachman lied in her response. Color me shocked. Same old shit, different day.

Some of us are getting bored with the whole spin cycle. So we mock those who are dizzy.

Don't you think politicians who wield power and influence who are dizzy deserve to be mocked?
Bachman's inability to grasp Basic U.S. History 101 & 102 is stunning, to say the least.

Were you just as critical of the obamas inability to grasp American Geography 101?

Last time I checked History is not Geography. You should've known this. Afterall, you're the one who lives 'deep in the woods'. (How the hell do you ever find yer way out.....).

 

[mudwhistle]

The only thing that changed since the Stimulus became law is the way they count the unemployed. They even announced this fact when it changed, so the numbers reported are not accurate. It's gotten so bad that when new job losses dips below half a million the Obama Administration throws a party.

They don't count the actual unemployed, only those who are currently collecting unemployment. Those that lose their benefits go off the total. The actual unemployment rate is currently over 20 percent. Many of my renters have lost their jobs. In some states there has been massive increases in unemployment. Many illegal immigrants have returned to their country of origin, if they are able to, because there's no work here anymore.

I think someone needs to fact check you, skinflute.

Why don't you. Maybe you'll learn something.

How bout a lesson in manners for one.

How does the government count unemployment

According to the government, if a person gives up looking he's not unemployed, nether is he or she employed. Such a person becomes invisible in the system. How many are currently living in this country who have just given up looking because their hopes for a job are non-existent?

 

[B. Kidd]

The only thing that changed since the Stimulus became law is the way they count the unemployed. They even announced this fact when it changed, so the numbers reported are not accurate. It's gotten so bad that when new job losses dips below half a million the Obama Administration throws a party.

They don't count the actual unemployed, only those who are currently collecting unemployment. Those that lose their benefits go off the total. The actual unemployment rate is currently over 20 percent. Many of my renters have lost their jobs. In some states there has been massive increases in unemployment. Many illegal immigrants have returned to their country of origin, if they are able to, because there's no work here anymore.

I think someone needs to fact check you, skinflute.

Why don't you. Maybe you'll learn something.

How bout a lesson in manners for one.

Must've attended the 'Infidel School of Etiquette'.