FACT CHECK: No 'death panel' in health care bill

[Gudrid]

If I need an operation that my doctor and hospital decide will cost $50,000 and I go to my bank and withdraw $50,000 in cash and pay them up front, I will have the surgery. While they may not accept a personal IOU, yes, they will still take cash (or probably Visa or MC!).

Might want to withdraw a little extra. They often charge more for self-pay.

 

[manu1959]

government health insurance will have a board that will make policy as to who will and will not be covered....the cost of coverage and what will and won't be covered.....to say there will not be a board making such policy is simply naive.....

A late bloomer who apparently hasn't read all the wealth of information contained elsewhere in this thread. Start now, Manu.

several people in this thread have said there will be no such board determining the fate of people and their health care.....

 

[Vast LWC]

government health insurance will have a board that will make policy as to who will and will not be covered....the cost of coverage and what will and won't be covered.....to say there will not be a board making such policy is simply naive.....

DITTO--let alone the fact that our federal government couldn't operate a lemonaid stand without bankrupting it.

Funny story..

Claire McCaskll had a town hall, with the usual nay-sayer's and screamers attending.

When she got a moment to actually interact with the people in the room, she asked a couple of simple questions:

"How many of you have Medicare insurance?

At this point a vast majority of the crowd, being seniors, raised their hands.

So she continued "How many of you would like to get rid of your Medicare?"

No one raised their hands.

Hmm, guess the government that "Can't run a lemonade stand" can run some pretty decent health insurance after all.

 

[manu1959]

hey look....mr well spoken and articulate....lies again.....

President Obama today suggested that the health care reform legislation for which he’s pushing has been endorsed by the American Association of Retired Person.

“We have the AARP on board because they know this is a good deal for our seniors,” the president said.

At another point he said: “Well, first of all, another myth that we've been hearing about is this notion that somehow we're going to be cutting your Medicare benefits. We are not. AARP would not be endorsing a bill if it was undermining Medicare, okay?”

The problem?

The AARP hasn't endorsed any plan yet.

President Obama’s “Senior” Moment? - Political Punch


The country's largest advocacy group for Americans over 50 issued a statement after the event saying, "While the President was correct that AARP will not endorse a health care reform bill that would reduce Medicare benefits, indications that we have endorsed any of the major health care reform bills currently under consideration in Congress are inaccurate."

 

[Immanuel]

I think anyone who opposes end-of-life counseling is blissfully ignorant of the realities of dealing with loved ones who are terminally ill or elderly and unable to care for themselves. I have had to deal with both. Bless the counselors and the hospice, and the self-involved politicians need to stop twisting something positive into a "death panel." It's disgusting and heartless and completely ignorant of reality.

Thank you for that post.

As I said earlier, I do not oppose end of life counseling and I too have found hospice care to be a blessing. Rather recently in fact. That really is not my issue though, my issue is government bean counters deciding my health and well being.

Would someone please convince me that a bean counter is capable of knowing what is best for me?

Immie

 

[Fatality]

At this point a vast majority of the crowd, being seniors, raised their hands.

you mean the "unruly mob," "the nazis," the "un-Americans" are old people with canes? the same people tha obama thug union faggots pushed down and threaten their lives if they speak against the nazi health plan. go fuck yourself wildly up the ass you stupid prick!

 

[Vast LWC]

I was talking in general terms in my what-if analysis. No one knows better than me that there remain millions of Republicans who are not conservatives on the fringe of hysteria, and they are mighty unhappy that the GOP has allowed those voices to drown out common sense and dictate policy with no intention of engaging in civil bipartisan exchanges.

Hey wait a minute! I think I have remained extremely civil and somewhat bipartisan as I don't like either side! However, hysterical? Yeah, you might say I have a problem with giving Uncle O, control of my health and well being. The thought of that freaks me out more than the thought of putting my head into the mouth of a starving lion.

You want me to get nasty? Do you really want the Mr. Hyde to come out of me? Please say no, because I hate that S.O.B.!

Immie

Again, I wasn't talking about YOU. In fact, I tried to write it as if I was talking about the fringers, of which I don't think YOU are one at all...

Have to agree with that, this has been one of the most civil debates I've encountered all day. Much respect to Immanuel. Though we clearly disagree, at least we are able to have a civil discourse about it.

 

[Immanuel]

several people in this thread have said there will be no such board determining the fate of people and their health care.....

No, they/we have said there would be no "death panel". The connotation being a panel of 12 people who look at individual cases and say "Give her the operation" and "Nope, he won't live long enough to pay us back in taxes, no operation for him."

Scary thought ain't it?

Immie

 

[Vast LWC]

At this point a vast majority of the crowd, being seniors, raised their hands.

you mean the "unruly mob," "the nazis," the "un-Americans" are old people with canes? the same people tha obama thug union faggots pushed down and threaten their lives if they speak against the nazi health plan. go fuck yourself wildly up the ass you stupid prick!

No, I mean the people that actually got in to this particular town hall were. The thugs were the ones down in Tampa, as well as a few other places.

 

[Vast LWC]

several people in this thread have said there will be no such board determining the fate of people and their health care.....

No, they/we have said there would be no "death panel". The connotation being a panel of 12 people who look at individual cases and say "Give her the operation" and "Nope, he won't live long enough to pay us back in taxes, no operation for him."

Scary thought ain't it?

Immie

But again, this is not implied by the language contained in the bill.

 

[skookerasbil]

Yup........the president stepped in it on two counts today then. His comment about "single payer" was a classic flub in the vain of vice president Biden.
How many times do they have on record Obama saying the complete polar opposite??

He thinks people were born yesterday............but he's finding out right quick...............

theyre not...................

 

[Jay Canuck]

 

[Fatality]

At this point a vast majority of the crowd, being seniors, raised their hands.

you mean the "unruly mob," "the nazis," the "un-Americans" are old people with canes? the same people tha obama thug union faggots pushed down and threaten their lives if they speak against the nazi health plan. go fuck yourself wildly up the ass you stupid prick!

No, I mean the people that actually got in to this particular town hall were. The thugs were the ones down in Tampa, as well as a few other places.

oh, so now you want to change youe tune? to bad there is no changing, the truth is already known. you fucking limp wrist

 

[EriktheRed]

At this point a vast majority of the crowd, being seniors, raised their hands.

you mean the "unruly mob," "the nazis," the "un-Americans" are old people with canes? the same people tha obama thug union faggots pushed down and threaten their lives if they speak against the nazi health plan. go fuck yourself wildly up the ass you stupid prick!

He said nothing about an unruly mob, but you had to interject anyway and say this:

go fuck yourself wildly up the ass you stupid prick!

Ah, the bitterness. I just love it.

 

[Vast LWC]

No true. That is absolutely NOT true. You can pay out of pocket for anything you want. Where do you get that idea?

Right, you think health care professionals are going to provide services they are NOT going to get paid for? They don't do it now. In today's world, when they provide services for the uninsured in which they know they will not be paid for, they can turn around and get paid by other means by the insurance companies which is part of the reason that our rates are so high. Also the government pays for emergency services. In the future, there will be only ONE insurance company and when they say no... they won't pay.

What is going to happen to the uninsured that enters an emergency room? Oh wait, you won't be able to be uninsured.... but then what happens to John Doe when he goes to a specialist and the government has said... "No coverage for Mr. Doe"? Mr. Doe will not be able to receive those services (unless of course, Mr Doe has a large amount of cash stored that the government hasn't stolen) because the government has said they are not paying for it. Basically, Mr. Doe is screwed.

Basically, the "health care pool" if it even exists five years after the institution of this plan, will be nothing more than public insurance. There will be no negotiation of fees between insurance companies and medical professionals. The government will tell medical professionals what the government is going to pay and not a dime more.


Immie

How spot on is this post ^^^ ???

The sheep simply have an inability to think on the margin in terms of the tradeoffs. They just cant do it.

Immie.........your last sentence in the above post is compelling. The translation? Well.......to anybody with the ability to think on the margin, it means with 100% certainty that the quality of health professionals will be reduced, particularly in terms of doctors. Leties never think twice about what the cost is for becomming a trained medical professional. Government will most definately remove the incentive. The bozo's can never recognize this...........to them, it all remains static in the world of Disney. Invariably...........when the government gets involved in the decisionmaking process of anything, the market gets screwed. The whole field is dumbed down. Lefties fail to be able to embrace this concept..........its part of the "liberalism is a mental disorder" concept. Its fcukking fascinating.

One, we don't need a partisan hack (thus the use of the phrases "sheep" and "liberalism is a mental disorder") re-interpreting the words of a rational poster.

Two, the argument here is based on the unsupported supposition that a "public option" will force the rest of the insurers out of business.

and

Three, I have NEVER known a "poor" or even "middle class" doctor, with the possible exception of brand new, fresh out of medical school, residents, who happened to work at a free clinic, in a bad area.

Every single doctor I have ever met is at the very least, "well-off" and most are quite rich.

So please, don't give me the "they have trouble paying off medical school debts" sob story, because that is definitely not going to fly.

 

[Fatality]

At this point a vast majority of the crowd, being seniors, raised their hands.

you mean the "unruly mob," "the nazis," the "un-Americans" are old people with canes? the same people tha obama thug union faggots pushed down and threaten their lives if they speak against the nazi health plan. go fuck yourself wildly up the ass you stupid prick!

He said nothing about an unruly mob

your masters pelosie, hoyer and reid said it and you know it, i can understand your fear of admitting it, seems youre both getting it in the ass.

 

[Meister]

You do realize that 500 billion is to be slashed from Medicare in the House version of the healthcare bill to help pay for the bill donchya?

 

[Vast LWC]

Yup........the president stepped in it on two counts today then. His comment about "single payer" was a classic flub in the vain of vice president Biden.
How many times do they have on record Obama saying the complete polar opposite??

He thinks people were born yesterday............but he's finding out right quick...............

theyre not...................

LOL, you didn't even watch the speech, did you?

You just tuned in for the FoxNews highlights.

 

[Vast LWC]

you mean the "unruly mob," "the nazis," the "un-Americans" are old people with canes? the same people tha obama thug union faggots pushed down and threaten their lives if they speak against the nazi health plan. go fuck yourself wildly up the ass you stupid prick!

No, I mean the people that actually got in to this particular town hall were. The thugs were the ones down in Tampa, as well as a few other places.

oh, so now you want to change youe tune? to bad there is no changing, the truth is already known. you fucking limp wrist

And how exactly would that be "changing my tune", hmmm?

Did I say the people at the McCaskill event were the same people from the Tampa event or other events? No, I don't believe I did.

Nice language there, son, I guess when you don't have a point to make, you just go and curse at people, eh?

 

[Vast LWC]

You do realize that 500 billion is to be slashed from Medicare in the House version of the healthcare bill to help pay for the bill donchya?

Why should that matter? I thought that "socialized" medicine was terrible anyway, right?