expect Rams to be back in LA next year.

[LA RAM FAN]

St. Louis is also a throwback. It's the only city in America where the baseball team far surpasses the football team in popularity. I'll bet that bothers Commissioner Roger Goodell.

I did not now that, but if this would be true of any city I'd expect St.Louis. A long and honored baseball tradition and a first-class solid baseball organization. I can't think of any time in my life that the Cardinals have fielded a shitty team, and I don't think that's true of any other team.

What were the issues that caused the old St. Louis football Cardinals to move out?

It does seem absurd that a market the size of L.A. doesn't have an entry in pro football. If size matters.

you ask what were the issues that caused the cardinals to leave.I try to explain this to the saint louis apologists but it just goes through one ear and out the other with them. the cardinals left because lack of fan support which is the main eason the Rams are going back to LA.

of all the NFL teams that moved,raiders,rams,colts,cardinals,oilers,the ONLY one that was justified out of that bunch was the cardinals moving out of saint louis.wish it had never happened but the fans brought it on themselves. the city of saint louis,jumps off the bandwagon there anytime things are going bad for them.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

This may not get read here but anybody that is reading this thread that STILL has doubts about The Rams moving back to LA,really should read this article here by a knowledgeble person in the know how.I am impressed with him.He has really done his homework.Its quite a long read but very well worth it.


First of all, I would like to thank this group for all of their hard work, and for posting all of the links around the internet on this page. I have found "Bring Back the Los Angeles Rams" to be the most reliable and up to date source of information on the Rams hopefully moving home by the start of the next NFL season.
Please forgive the length of this post, but I have been holding in my comments for weeks now, but I just can't anymore...For the past several weeks, I have been checking out all of the links from here, and elsewhere, and for the first time in 20 years, I really do believe that the NFL is coming back to Los Angeles, and that the team which moves will be the Rams. And it should be the Rams, as they were L.A's team for almost 50 years. If not for "Madame Ram," and her boy toy Shaw, it is all but certain that the Rams would be celebrating their 70th consecutive season in Southern California in 2016.
Southern California (Los Angeles/Anaheim) can support two teams in the NFL, as it does in MLB, the NBA, NHL, and MLS, but despite what the NFL says, I believe that the Rams will be the only team which calls L.A. home for the foreseeable future. The NFL will still use L.A. as a ploy to get whatever teams it chooses better stadium deals, stating that our area can support two teams, one NFC (Rams) and one AFC (tbd). This is true even if the team in question is an NFC squad. Nowadays, teams can switch conferences whenever it most benefits the NFL.
Regarding the Raiders, as long as anybody in the Davis Family runs that team, they will continue to make questionable decisions about their franchise. Those of us who can remember when the Raiders called L.A. home remember how they stole $10 Million from Irwindale, trashed the El Segundo Junior High School they used as a training facility, and how it took that franchise years before it bought any advertising or sold very many t-shirts and caps, etc. that said "Los Angeles Raiders" on the merchandise. Bootleggers started printing and making stuff up that said "Los Angeles Raiders" long before the team did, and once rappers like N.W.A. got their hands on "Los Angeles Raiders" gear, and posed for photos wearing the stuff, did sales really take off. The Raiders then had to try to cash in while they could. But is this the image L.A. should want for its NFL team? That our team is predominantly supported by criminals or wannabe gangsters? I went to several Raiders games at the Coliseum, and while I, as a tall and somewhat beefy guy, felt safe enough, many people around me, my friends and/or family did not. Many people chose not to park at USC, and instead decided to pay to park on people's front lawns to save money and walking distance. While this actually worked for a lot of people, others came back to find their vehicles stolen, picked apart for parts, or otherwise vandalized.
Worst of all, the Raiders never really seemed to try to make Southern California their home. They seemed to be here only for all that they could get, and wanted very little interaction with their customer base unless they were selling you something. If the team did any charitable work, forgive me, but I don't recall it. On the field, Al Davis hired yes-men for coaches, made poor draft selections, and failed to make necessary play-calling changes that were successful for most other NFL teams at the time. Davis also allowed his grudge with Marcus Allen to adversely affect Allen's career and the Raiders. Davis ordered him benched for a few seasons, in the prime of his career, instead of trading him for players or draft choices of use.
Davis and the NFL had a deal to for the Raiders to leave the Coliseum for a new stadium at Hollywood Park in Inglewood, almost on the very same exact parcel of land that Stan Kronke now owns. However, at the time, the NFL and the FAA failed to agree on the FAA changing flight paths to LAX on game days, and on allowing blimps to fly overhead. This put the deal on hold; it shouldn't have killed it. With John Madden calling sports radio talk shows all over America on a regular basis, and using his "bully pulpit" during nationally televised games to call for the Raiders to return to Oakland, Davis foolishly gave in and moved back. Davis apparently regretted his decision until the day he died, and tried, in court, to somehow have L.A. declared "Raiders territory." Had Davis simply waited a little while longer, perhaps not more than one year, the NFL/FAA deal could have been worked out, or he simply could have replaced the Rams in Anaheim if he felt the Coliseum was now so intolerable a place for the Raiders to call home. But he never felt that Southern California was his home. Instead of trying to work things out, as the NFL and the FAA and LAX have now reportedly done, Davis listened to Madden's rants and went back to Oakland, devaluing his franchise in perpetuity. The bottom line is that Mark Davis and his mother will luck into a deal with Oakland. This, despite their best efforts to anger folks in Oakland and lose out on any deal by pretending that the team will move to either L.A. or San Antonio or elsewhere. When all is said and done, the Raiders will stay in Oakland, period.
As for the Chargers, they are never coming back to Los Angeles because they are owned by the Spanos Family. This ownership group has had several years now when it could have moved to the Coliseum, the Rose Bowl, or to the Grand Crossing site, but they didn't. They have allowed several escape clauses to lapse. The Spanos' would rather complain about competition to the north, bemoan their fate, and wait on San Diego to build them a stadium. While that may someday happen--someday--I honestly think that the NFL would put a second team, maybe the Jaguars, into Inglewood first. Feeling overwhelmed by two teams in L.A., I could definitely see the Spanos' overreacting, and coming to the conclusion that the Chargers should leave San Diego and replace the Rams in St. Louis. So, all of you NFL fans in St. Louis, you may still end up with a team after this season.
St Louis fans, while I might now have your attention, here's the deal. Stan Kronke is extraordinarily rich, in part, because he is a shrewd businessman. Those of you calling on "his loyalty to his home region," please consider a few things. First, when he got total control of the Rams, he ceded his ownership in the Denver Nuggets and Colorado Avalanche to his children, because the NFL made him. While I think it's his son who officially runs those teams now, do you really think that Stan now has no input? Really? The point is that if Kronke "loves St. Louis" so much, why didn't he move the Nuggets to St. Louis? Why couldn't the Nuggets and Blues share an arena? The Hawks moved to Atlanta in the 1960's and the Spirits Of St. Louis couldn't even make it to the NBA/ABA merger, although the Denver Rockets/Nuggets did. (The Denver Rockets had to obviously change their name because of the Houston Rockets.) Why hasn't "proud Missourian" Kronke moved the Avalanche to Kansas City, into a relatively new AEG-owned (and STAPLES Center-like) arena? Or, he could have bought the Blues when they were up for sale not so long ago, and traded ownership of the Avalanche for ownership of the Blues.
Secondly, Kronke owns a home in the Los Angeles area, and tried to buy the Dodgers only about two-and-one half years ago. Kronke bid $1.5 Billion for the team, but would not bid any higher because, as a shrewd businessman, he knew better than to get in bed with Frank McCourt. McCourt, as we now know, refused to sell more than 50 percent of the parking lots around Dodger Stadium. McCourt really wanted Kronke to win the bidding process because McCourt knew that if Kronke won, the Rams would soon be playing in a brand new stadium in the Dodger Stadium parking lots. You bet McCourt wanted a piece of that action. After all, the Number ONE site in the L.A. area that the NFL drools over, but will never have, is the Dodger Stadium parking lot. (If only Peter O'Malley had been able to build that stadium back in the late 1990's...) But when Guggenheim offered him $2.15 Billion, along with his 50% share of the parking lots, for the Dodgers and the stadium, McCourt was too smart to refuse.
The bottom line for Kronke, as it would be for any astute businessperson, is the bottom line. The Rams will at least double in value, make millions more in endorsement deals by being in America's Number 2 market, and free agent players will want to come to the Rams because the team is in Los Angeles. Kronke can even afford to build the new stadium himself, but he probably won't have to as the NFL has offered to help the owner of the team that moves with construction costs. The NFL can put Super Bowls into the new stadium, charge more for TV rights (one reason why the NFL and CBS have only a one-year deal for Thursday Night Football), have a team in L.A., yet still continue to maintain that a second team is needed here. This will allow the NFL to continue to be able to hold up other cities for new places for their teams to play. Plus, after October, Kronke can always call on Farmers Insurance to move their naming rights deal to the Rams' new facility. By moving the Rams to L.A., the NFL cannot lose. More importantly, Stan Kronke cannot lose. There may be some hard feelings against him in St. Louis, but as a partial Wal*Mart owner, he must be used to having some communities against him on a regular basis from time to time.
Finally, for those who cannot see the forest for the trees and claim that the Rams will not move because there has been no announcement, are you kidding? Only yourselves, apparently. How could the Rams expect to sell any tickets in their final season in St. Louis when fans know for sure that the home team is about to move. How could they hold on to their advertisers?
St. Louis, you had the Rams for 20 years, and they got you a Super Bowl victory. L.A. had the Raiders for 13 or 14 seasons, and they got L.A. a Super Bowl victory, But just as the Raiders were always Oakland's team, the Rams have always really been L.A.'s team. If you want to blame somebody, blame the football Cardinals owners, or the NFL, for deciding to expand into Jacksonville when St. Louis was available. But again, take heart, you just may eventually end up with the Chargers. If you do, good luck with that!

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[LA RAM FAN]

as always,the saint louis fans are living in denial.

Kroenke may have bought land in L.A. but it isn't for a football stadium. Its for a expansion soccer team. Also that land was said is not big enough for a new Stadium as well! So Rams more than likely stay in St.Louis

these saint louis fools are so stupid,they're not even aware of the facts.they STILL dont think his land purchase of 60 acres is big enough for a footbal stadium.never mind the niners stadium is only 22 acres.

at least SOME of the fans in saint louis are now being able to accept reality.

The land is for a soccer team yes, but even that. The rams staying in St.louis is slim to none. St.louis didnt live up to their end of the bargain. they are a good 600,000 behind in what st. louis wants for a top tier stadium. Kronke will go else where when the time is right.
which will be next year in LA of course.

they still are falling for the propaganda of the saint louis media that his purchase is for a soccer team even though stan has never said that.


Obviously nothing or no one in St. Louis area can satisfy Kroenke's greed. Déjà vu Bill Bidwell all over again!

I got to hand it to this saint louis fan.He isnt living in denial like many of them are.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

and so it begins,that amazing incredible fan support they have in saint louis.support for a team that is far greater than any fan support the seahawks have right now.

He is saying what I have been saying all along below for the past year.

Paul Harris Online

Sunday, September 07, 2014
Los Angeles, You Can Have The Rams

don't go to Rams games, but I do watch them on TV, and I worry that the diminishing fan base will soon get so small that the NFL's blackout rule will kick in -- so that none of their games are on local TV -- and that will be that. In fact, it sounded today like there were at least as many Vikings fans in the dome cheering for their team as there were Rams fans booing ours. This was not a first-time phenomenon. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that St. Louis leads the NFL in tickets sold to fans of the opposing team.
We're not going to spend public dollars to build the Rams a new stadium or fix up their current home in the dome -- and we know that billionaire owner Stan Kroenke won't put his own hard-inherited money to fix up a venue where attendance is going to keep dropping because the product consistently sucks.
So, LA, you can have the Rams back.
You're the nation's second-largest market, and you're supposedly hungry for an NFL franchise that will bring out huge crowds, create corporate synergy opportunities, and draw big TV ratings. Go ahead and build them a new stadium and try to create a new fan base. But when the new LA Rams set records for fumbles lost, interceptions thrown, penalties against, and players with season-ending injuries, don't come crying to us.
We have been there and done that for the last decade.


as I've said dozens of times on this thread.I dont care of they go 0-16 every year the next 5 years.I'll still go and attend at LEAST half their games at home next season and in the future.

Im convinced that stan saw how the bitch from saint louis dismantled that team so badly in LA getting rid of great players like Eric Dickerson and many others to get everybody in LA disgusted with her fiddling,that they stopped showing up to games the last couple years so she could justify the move to saint louis to the owners. stan obviously took a page out of her book.

Thats why their draft choices were so pathetic this past off season passing up on impact players like mack for the pitiful draft picks they got since he wants them to do badly thier last year in saint louis.

Mack has been a wrecking machine for the oakland raiders.I never imagined the rams would pass him up after the texans took clowney but they did for that obvious reason.

NEXT year,they will finally get serious about making good draft choices.the best thing for Rams fans to do in LA is cheer them on to go 0-16 to get that number one pick.the worse they fail,the quicker we get them back to LA next year.

I hope you're listening Bill.

still more great fan support for that team in saint louis.

Seriously you can have them. From top to.bottom they are a joke.
Sincerely,
St. Louis.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

blast from the past.as people can see below,the NFL owners initially voted against LA's move to saint louis.they only reversed their votes AFTER the bitch threatened to sue them.may she rot in hell.

PRO FOOTBALL N.F.L. Owners Reject Rams Bid to Move To St. Louis - New York Times

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Has anyone in St. Louis or Missouri even mentioned building a new venue. The Dome might be OK for a Halloween haunt because of how dark it is. A dome isn't even necessary in So.Cal. Even with a new stadium in St.Lou the team is worth less that a billion. The Rams could come home and play in temporary stadiums and double their worth.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

remember folks the ONLY reason the rams were embraced in saint louis in the first place was because the bitch had ties there,she grew up there.after she died and is in hell now,the city lost interest in the rams.

And one thing that I think no one has mentioned, is the fact that the reason why the rams went to STL and were embraced during that short period of time there, was becasue of Georgia. She knew everyone in STL and everyone was willing to support her product because of her. When she died, the passion STL had for this franchise died. Its kind of like when you sell someone something wether it be goods or services, most of the time, they buy it because they like *you*. Its the same for the rams. They bought the product because they liked Georgia. Now that Kroenke owns the team, its as if the rams are a complete stranger in town...

 

[LA RAM FAN]

this is WHY The Rams will be back in LA next year.every NFL fan wants it even if they are not a Rams fan.

As a Steeler fan from Pittsburgh pulling for the return of the Los Angeles Rams, I've got nothing but respect for this post.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I think the NFL will add more expansion teams.

since you posted this on THIS thread,you obviously think the next LA team will be an expansion team. since you posted that on THIS thread where its irrelevent,then you are obviously thinking the next LA team will be an expansion team.

that being the case it looks like as always,I am going to have to educate you. Boy,it doesnt matter if its 9/11 or whatnot,whatever subject it is I always have to take you to school and educate you on EVERYTHING.

Jones was asked where a prospective team (or two!) would come from.
"There won't be any expansion," he said. "So it will be teams that move."

Jerry Jones Two NFL teams could move to Los Angeles - NFL.com

Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross commented recently about the possibility of an NFL franchise moving to Los Angeles and he noted that it’s less of a chance and more of a certainty that it will happen.

Kevin Clark ✔@KevinClarkWSJFollow
Steve Ross on an LA team: he can "see it coming." Won't be an expansion team. "Certainly within 5 years."

Miami Dolphins owner says NFL will move to Los Angeles within five years

He is saying five years cause like everyone in the media,he is trying to keep a lid on it that the rams will be back next year.lol.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

LA sports nightcaster steve mason has done his homework. He also says The Rams are coming back to LA.Not the Raiders. I dont understand why he did not say a word about the chargers though.

He says he thinks the date will be 3 years from now but he is referring to LA having a new stadium by then.Not The Rams coming back at that date.again next year they will be playing their games in either the rose bowl or LA coliseum while waiting for the new stadium to be built within 3 years..not sure which but one of those locations.

Steve Mason Of ESPN Radio The Latest In Sports - Los Angeles News FOX 11 LA KTTV

just so you know folks this nightly broadcast took place sept 12th.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

So if an NFL franchise can thrive in Green Bay, Wisc., why would an owner contemplate moving his team to Los Angeles? Plenty of reasons:

• A huge population base from which to draw fans.

• A strong corporate presence, ensuring fierce competition for stadium naming rights and sponsorships. Those are two significant local-revenue streams that, unlike the national TV money, aren’t shared with other clubs.

• A large number of extraordinarily wealthy residents to purchase premium seating and occupy luxury suites – two additional sources of unshared revenue.

• The entertainment industry and culture that distinguish Los Angeles from every other U.S. city and offer countless branding opportunities for pro sports franchises.

so very true.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

For NFL 2 billion reasons to consider L.A. - The Orange County Register

If a team such as the St. Louis Rams, who can get out of their lease at the end of the 2014 season, were to return to Los Angeles, “it’s not crazy” that the value of the franchise could double, said Newport Beach-based agent Leigh Steinberg, who has followed and been involved in the NFL-to-L.A. saga for years. Earlier this year, Rams owner Stan Kroenke purchased a 60-acre plot of land in Inglewood. His intentions for the site are unknown.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

as you can see from the article below.Robert Kraft and Goddel have stated LA will have a team within 3 years.Next year of course will be that year. this one doesnt cover it but i also posted one earlier of that meeting of Goddel and Kraft where Goddel said its not just a matter of IF but WHEN. also as you can see from that article,the Raiders are out of the picture.

Like the article says. Davis wont play second fiddle to anybody which is what he WOULD be doing if he shared the niners stadium LEVI stadium with them.People have speculated saying the raiders would move to LA as well and share the stadium with the Rams like the jets and giants do in new york but thats clearly absurd.

If Davis wont share a stadium with the 49ers in santa clara,WHY would he share one with Kronke of The Rams in LA? Not happeing.sorry LA Raider fans.

NFL in LA It could happen sooner than you think Sporting News

 

[LA RAM FAN]

this is what the saint louis apologists just like Lance below just dont get no matter how many times i try to explain it to them dummies style that stans land purchase wasnt contrary to what people think,for a new soccer team or whatever.

Oh oh, Lance Juarez hasn't been doing his homework. It's not just another piece of land bought by a real estate investor. It's a piece of land purchased by a team owner that was reported to the NFL by ruling for having any intent of building a stadium or team related business.

 

[Zander]

I'll believe it when I see it.

I personally know Tim Liewicke (he ran AEG) and he was convinced beyond a doubt that the NFL was going to give LA not one but TWO NFL franchises to play downtown- at the newly constructed "farmer's field". He told me it was "all but a done deal". The LA City council approved it over 2 years ago......

Farmers Field - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I'll believe it when I see it.

I personally know Tim Liewicke (he ran AEG) and he was convinced beyond a doubt that the NFL was going to give LA not one but TWO NFL franchises to play downtown- at the newly constructed "farmer's field". He told me it was "all but a done deal". The LA City council approved it over 2 years ago......

Farmers Field - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I didnt see anything in that link you posted where it says that paragraph you just posted.i figured that was from a link, am i wrong? is that YOUR own words that YOU personally know Tim Liewicke?

well you wont have to wait very long to see it.they have to make the relocation announcement by march 15th is the deadline of their intentions.

 

[Zander]

About 3 years ago I attended a real estate presentation given by Majestic Realty (the Ed Roski group) , about the future NFL football team that "is coming to LA". This group was competing with AEG's downtown proposal.

Here is the link- Los Angeles Stadium - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[Zander]

I'll believe it when I see it.

I personally know Tim Liewicke (he ran AEG) and he was convinced beyond a doubt that the NFL was going to give LA not one but TWO NFL franchises to play downtown- at the newly constructed "farmer's field". He told me it was "all but a done deal". The LA City council approved it over 2 years ago......

Farmers Field - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I didnt see anything in that link you posted where it says that paragraph you just posted.i figured that was from a link, am i wrong? is that YOUR own words that YOU personally know Tim Liewicke?

well you wont have to wait very long to see it.they have to make the relocation announcement by march 15th is the deadline of their intentions.

Yes, I personally know Tim Liewicke.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I'll believe it when I see it.

I personally know Tim Liewicke (he ran AEG) and he was convinced beyond a doubt that the NFL was going to give LA not one but TWO NFL franchises to play downtown- at the newly constructed "farmer's field". He told me it was "all but a done deal". The LA City council approved it over 2 years ago......

Farmers Field - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

I didnt see anything in that link you posted where it says that paragraph you just posted.i figured that was from a link, am i wrong? is that YOUR own words that YOU personally know Tim Liewicke?

well you wont have to wait very long to see it.they have to make the relocation announcement by march 15th is the deadline of their intentions.

Yes, I personally know Tim Liewicke.

damn I wish i had known that.cool.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

as always,i have to educate the saint louis apologists who came on here in the first couple pages insisting they are not moving back.I'll never get this logic they have that stan is the biggest idiot NFL owner in the world mindset they have of him which is what he would HAVE to be to keep them in saint louis.

this person nailed it below.

You people are crazy. Stan has known what the plan is for years. He didn't just "decide" to buy the majority of the Rams from under Khan. He sat back quietly, allowed the price to settle and for the rosenblooms to take a lowball offer (if they knew Kroenke was interested they wouldn't have sold for so low) and when Khan took the bait, Kroenke swooped in and used his matching clause.

From that day on, it was all about money for Stan. Who can blame him. The Rams Are going to LA. It would be a terrible business decision not too. And Stan doesn't make bad business decisions.