EXCLUSIVE: New Video Smuggled Out from Mavi Marmara

[Quantum Windbag]

They were on a ship that was going to go through a blockade. Everyone aboard the ship knew that, and intended to break the blockade.

Typical posturing alright, but not from Israel.

 

[al Haq]

They were not going to shithole Israel. They were going to Gaza.

This reminds me of another recent scene from the Zio Theater of the Absurd:

There was a brawl in the Israeli Knesset last week when Miri Regev (Likud/rightwing Jewish party) started screaming at Hanin Zoabi (Balad/Arab party,) who was one of the peace activists onboard the flotilla. Regev yelled, "Go to Gaza!"

LOL that was exactly what Zoabi was trying to do before the Israeli soldiers hijacked her ship.

Oh and now the Knesset has "revoked her privileges," one of which is the right to leave the country.

You can't make this stuff up, I tell ya.

 

[Shai]

Only in your opposite world do people invading another country's territory are not going to be stopped and the ship boarded.

Wrong! Israel attacked that ship. Only in Israel's up side down world do attackers defend themselves.

They were not going to shithole Israel. They were going to Gaza.

So in your logic if tomorrow i will go to USA with humanitarian aid to Al Qaeda members, USA soldiers dosnt allwo to stop me.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Only in your opposite world do people invading another country's territory are not going to be stopped and the ship boarded.

They were not going to shithole Israel. They were going to Gaza.

So in your logic if tomorrow i will go to USA with humanitarian aid to Al Qaeda members, USA soldiers dosnt allwo to stop me.

Hamas will not allow Al Qaeda into Palestine as it is an international terrorist organization.

Hamas is not.

Bad analogy.

 

[al Haq]

Only in your opposite world do people invading another country's territory are not going to be stopped and the ship boarded.

They were not going to shithole Israel. They were going to Gaza.

So in your logic if tomorrow i will go to USA with humanitarian aid to Al Qaeda members, USA soldiers dosnt allwo to stop me.

If it was the Netanyahu administration making the claim, it would probably be taken with several very large grains of salt.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

They were not going to shithole Israel. They were going to Gaza.

So in your logic if tomorrow i will go to USA with humanitarian aid to Al Qaeda members, USA soldiers dosnt allwo to stop me.

Hamas will not allow Al Qaeda into Palestine as it is an international terrorist organization.

Hamas is not.

Bad analogy.

Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by the US, Canada, and the EU, how can you claim they are not?

 

[AllieBaba]

1) This video show what happen in the end but not how lest wonder why?
2) If everything she said its true, what it teaches us? That Hamas and the people who support them use innocent people as human shields for propaganda purposes. In other surprising news the the sky is blue

1) I said it's a clip that Turkish News said showed the murder of Dogan.

No, the clip doesn't show what happened before or after (just as the selected clip Israel released does not show what happened before or after, or anything Israel doesn't want seen.)

However, if the passengers cannot show you the complete archive of their evidence, at least they have a viable excuse - Israel confiscated all their phones, cameras, videos, film, and digital memory devices (at least all that they could find.)

But what is Israel's excuse for confiscating that evidence, and refusing to release it in full?

2.) Trying to claim these activists were terrorists or terror supporters or acting as "human shields" for Hamas is absurd, and the entire rest of the world has said so. The Israeli government continues to destroy what's left of its own credibility. It's "stuck on stupid." And this is not making things any safer for Israelis.

The "entire rest of the world" has NOT said so.

And Obama doesn't speak for me or the majority of Americans.

 

[AllieBaba]

So in your logic if tomorrow i will go to USA with humanitarian aid to Al Qaeda members, USA soldiers dosnt allwo to stop me.

Hamas will not allow Al Qaeda into Palestine as it is an international terrorist organization.

Hamas is not.

Bad analogy.

Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by the US, Canada, and the EU, how can you claim they are not?

He can because he's an ingenuous fuckturd supporter of terrorist organizations.

 

[al Haq]

The "entire rest of the world" has NOT said so.

And Obama doesn't speak for me or the majority of Americans.

Name a government (other than Israel) that supports the claim that the flotilla activists were terrorists or terror supporters.

 

[P F Tinmore]

So in your logic if tomorrow i will go to USA with humanitarian aid to Al Qaeda members, USA soldiers dosnt allwo to stop me.

Hamas will not allow Al Qaeda into Palestine as it is an international terrorist organization.

Hamas is not.

Bad analogy.

Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by the US, Canada, and the EU, how can you claim they are not?

The three stooges. Third grade name calling at its finest.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Hamas will not allow Al Qaeda into Palestine as it is an international terrorist organization.

Hamas is not.

Bad analogy.

Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by the US, Canada, and the EU, how can you claim they are not?

The three stooges. Third grade name calling at its finest.

Ia m stunned into silence.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by the US, Canada, and the EU, how can you claim they are not?

The three stooges. Third grade name calling at its finest.

Ia m stunned into silence.

Cool!

It is just a meaningless political designation.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Terrorist is a meaningless political designation, unless you are applying it to Israel, then it means something.

 

[The Infidel]

Hamas will not allow Al Qaeda into Palestine as it is an international terrorist organization.

Hamas is not.

Bad analogy.

 

[Adam]

Palestine was stolen at gunpoint from its rightful proprietors, the Palestinian people and now Israelies called it Israel. Israeli towns and villages were built on the ruins of Palestinian towns and villages. Israelis themselves live on land that belongs to other people and many Israelis, even today, continue to live in homes wrested from their Palestinian owners. This is cardinal theft probably unprecedented in the annals of history; it is an act of rape, a continuous act of rape, no matter how numerous the cheerleaders who celebrate the legitimacy and morality of their criminal act.

Israel has been a criminal entity from day 1, since its very existence came at the expense of the existence of another people, another nation, namely the Palestinian people.

In short, the Palestinian people and their leadership must never agree to recognize “Israel’s right to exist” because the ZionistState simply has no moral right to exist, since this existence happens to be at the expense of another people’s existence.

 

[Shai]

They were not going to shithole Israel. They were going to Gaza.

So in your logic if tomorrow i will go to USA with humanitarian aid to Al Qaeda members, USA soldiers dosnt allwo to stop me.

Hamas will not allow Al Qaeda into Palestine as it is an international terrorist organization.

Hamas is not.

Bad analogy.

-Hamas chief Khaled Meshaal met three weeks ago with a representative of Al-Qaeda wanted by the US in Yemen, Sheikh Abd al-Majid al-Zindani. The Sheikh made a personal donation of 200,000 Yemenite Rials (approximately $1,000) to Hamas. Zindani heaped praise on Hamas suicide bombers at a fundraising event attended by Meshaal and instructed his followers to donate money. "The Hamas government is the Palestinian people's government today," he told the crowd. "It is the jihad-fighting, steadfast, resolute government of Palestine [sic]."

Osama Bin Laden Backs Hamas and Palestinian Authority - Defense/Middle East - Israel News - Israel National News


-IHH overtly supports Hamas, is sympathetic to al Qaeda, and maintained regular contact with al Qaeda cells and the Sunni insurgency during the bloodiest stretches of the Iraq War. Moreover, IHH has supported jihadist terror networks not only in Iraq, but also in Bosnia, Syria, Afghanistan, and Chechnya. According to Carnegie Endowment analyst Henri Barkey, IHH is "an Islamist organization" that "has been deeply involved with Hamas for some time." A 2006 report by the Danish Institute for International Studies characterized IHH as one of many "charitable front groups that provide support to Al-Qaida" and the global jihad.

-In 1996, IHH continued to burnish its credentials as a "humanitarian relief" organization when an examination of its telephone records showed that repeated calls had been made to an al Qaeda guest house in Milan and to Algerian terrorists operating in Europe. That same year, the U.S. government formally designated IHH as a terrorist organization with ties to extremist groups in Iran and Algeria, and as a facilitator of terrorism in Bosnia.

In December 1997, Turkish authorities, acting on a tip from sources claiming that IHH leaders had purchased automatic weapons from other regional Islamic militant groups, initiated a domestic criminal investigation of IHH. A thorough search of the organization's Istanbul bureau uncovered a large assortment of firearms, explosives, bomb-making instructions, and a "jihad flag." In addition, Turkish authorities seized a host of IHH documents whose contents ultimately led investigators to conclude that the group's members "were going to fight in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Chechnya."

Near the end of 2000, IHH organized protests against proposals to overthrow that humanitarian icon, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein; American and Israeli flags were burned at these rallies.

During the April 2001 trial of would-be "millennium bomber" Ahmed Ressam, it was revealed that IHH had played an "important role" in the plot to blow up Los Angeles International Airport on December 31, 1999. Some reasonable observers might contend that to classify such a pursuit under the heading of "humanitarian relief" would require an unduly broad definition of that term.

In 2002, investigators found correspondences from IHH in the offices of the Success Foundation, a Muslim Brotherhood-affiliated organization whose Secretary was Abdul Rahman Alamoudi. For the record: The Brotherhood was the ideological forebear of Hamas and al Qaeda; it supports jihad; and it seeks to impose shari'a law on the entire civilized world. Mr. Alamoudi, for his part, is currently serving a prison term of nearly a quarter-century for his role as a funder of international terrorism. He is best known for having proudly declared himself to be a passionate supporter of Hamas and Hezbollah. The connections to "humanitarian relief" seem rather tenuous here.

According to a report issued by a website close to Israeli military intelligence: "ince Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, IHH has supported Hamas' propaganda campaigns by organizing public support conferences in Turkey." The report also states that IHH continues to operate widely throughout Gaza and to funnel large sums of money to support the Hamas infrastructure.

In January 2008, an IHH delegation met with Ahmed Bahar, chairman of Hamas' council in the Gaza Strip. At the meeting, the delegation not only boasted about the large amount of financial support it had given Hamas during the preceding year, but also declared its intent to double that sum in the future. Once again, we are left to wonder how any of this falls under the rubric of "humanitarian relief."

In 2008 Israel banned IHH from the country because of the organization's membership in the "Union of Good" (UOG), a Hamas-founded umbrella coalition comprised of more than 50 Islamic charities (most of which are associated with the global Muslim Brotherhood) that channel money and goods to Hamas-affiliated institutions. In December 2008, the U.S. government designated UOG as a terrorist entity that was guilty of "diverting" donations that were intended for "social welfare and other charitable services," and using those funds "to strengthen Hamas' political and military position."

In January 2009, IHH head Bülent Yildirim met with Khaled Mash'al, chairman of Hamas' political bureau in Damascus, and Mash'al thanked Yildirim for the support of his organization.

In November 2009 IHH activist Izzat Shahin transferred tens of thousands of American dollars from IHH to the Islamic Charitable Society (in Hebron) and Al-Tadhamun (in Nablus), two of Hamas' most important front groups posing as "charitable societies."

The ?Humanitarian Relief? Wing of Hamas and Al-Qaeda | Global Terrorism

Triangulating Hamas, Abbas and al-Qaeda
ThreatsWatch.Org: PrincipalAnalysis: Triangulating Hamas, Abbas and al-Qaeda


-"Thanks to the support of Hamas, al-Qaeda is entering Gaza," Palestinian Authority (PA) President Mahmoud Abbas told an Italian television station in July, just after the violent Hamas takeover of Gaza. "It is Hamas that is protecting al-Qaeda, and through its bloody behavior, Hamas has become very close to al-Qaeda. That is why Gaza is in danger and needs help."

-This would not be the first time the two groups worked together. In the early and mid-1990s, Hamas members received paramilitary training and even attended Islamist conferences in Sudan that bin Laden and members of his budding network reportedly attended.

When the 2000 intifada erupted in the Palestinian territories, bin Laden reportedly sent emissaries to Hamas on two separate occasions (September 2000 and January 2001). While most analysts believe Hamas rejected al-Qaeda's overtures to assist in the anti-Israel violence, Hamas never closed the door. The Washington Post quoted U.S. government sources confirming a 2003 meeting, "between al-Qaeda, Hamas, and Hizbullah figures."

Recent reportage suggests that communication between the two groups continues. In 2006, Hamas operative Muhammad Sayyam reportedly met members of the terrorist organization Hizbul Mujahidin, an al-Qaeda affiliate, in Kashmir. The two groups have little to nothing in common, given the geographic distance that separates them. Kashmir may have been an ideal lawless territory to discuss ideological, and perhaps logistical, cooperation.

It was also reported in the Arab media in 2006 that Hamas chief Khaled Meshal met in Yemen with Abd al-Majid al-Zindani, a man the U.S. Treasury designated in 2004 for his ties to al-Qaeda. Zindani stated that, "the support we can provide [to Hamas] at present is money."

-The U.S. Government has also identified several U.S. charities as supporting both groups. The Holy Land Foundation (HLF) and Benevolence International Foundation (BIF), both shut down by the U.S. Treasury, may have had financial ties to both Hamas and al-Qaeda. Bank al-Taqwa, another Treasury designee, has funded al-Qaeda, in addition to facilitating the transfer of some $60 million to Hamas in 1997.

-In 2000, Israel uncovered an al-Qaeda network in Gaza, led by Hamas operative Nabil Okal, who trained with al-Qaeda in Afghanistan in the late 1990s. Thus began a long string of alarming discoveries.

In 2003, Israel arrested three Hamas fighters returning from al-Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan. That same year, Jordanian security confirmed to Time magazine that two Hamas members went on a recruiting mission in Afghanistan for al-Qaeda fighters. Israel also learned that British citizens-turned-suicide bombers, Mohammed Hanif and Omar Sharif, may have been recruited by al-Qaeda to carry out Hamas attacks. These men of Pakistani origin were responsible for the April 2003 suicide carnage at Mike's Place, a Tel Aviv bar, that killed three and wounded 50.

About a year after Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar warned the Italian media that al-Qaeda was in the territories, Israel announced in March 2006 that it arrested two al-Qaeda operatives, Azzam Abu al-Ads and Bilal Hafnawy, in Nablus. The two reportedly planned to carry out suicide attacks inside Israel.

In 2006, Hamas Interior Minister Said Sayyam stated that he would not order the arrests of operatives who carried out attacks against Israel. This was tantamount to an invitation for al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups to join Hamas in its war against Israel. Embattled PA President Mahmoud Abbas has since stated that al-Qaeda maintains a presence in the West Bank and Gaza. Admittedly, Abbas may be playing the al-Qaeda card to frighten the West into supporting his Fatah faction over Hamas, but there is no denying that ties between the two terror groups exist.
The Prospects of al-Qaeda in Hamas-Controlled Gaza - inFocus Quarterly Journal

 

[P F Tinmore]

She looked right and then left before crossing the intersection leading to the university. The traffic was being directed by four members of the special forces affiliated with the Interior Ministry, all from Hamas. Gawaher Ghadir, 21, is one of very few female students who doesn't wear a head scarf at the Al-Azhar University in Gaza. Nobody, either from Hamas or the security services belonging to the Hamas administration has ever asked her to do so. And she doesn't think that anyone is going to.

Ahmed Ghannash, who sells music tapes and CDs from a stand on Al-Mukhtar Street, the thoroughfare that divides Gaza city into two, said that he resumed business after Hamas gained power. In the past, unknown gunmen threatened to burn his stand unless he stopped selling music recordings.

Islam Shahwan, police spokesman at the Foreign Ministry, told Al-Ahram Weekly that the attacks on music merchants and Internet cafés are now close to zero, down from about 35 attacks per month in the past. In the six months before Gaza fell into Hamas's hands, an Islamic extremist group calling itself the Islamic Swords of Justice -- a group believed to embrace some of Al-Qaeda's ideas -- was particularly active in Gaza. That group called for the closure of Internet cafés and music shops. It attacked some of the parties organised at various wedding halls in Gaza and torched some of the educational institutions run by Christians. The group once threatened to harm female presenters working for Palestine Television unless they covered their heads.

Father Manuel Musallam, head of the Latin community to which many Gaza Christians belong, said that his congregation feels more secure under Hamas control. He added that relations between his community and Hamas are very strong. Musallam goes regularly to visit Ismail Haniyeh, who briefs him on current developments.

It is noteworthy that the Hamas parliamentary group includes one Christian deputy, Hossam Al-Tawil. Hamas appointed one Christian minister in its new cabinet, formed one week after the movement took control of Gaza. Haniyeh made it absolutely clear that his government wouldn't hesitate to confront all forms of religious "coercion" and would punish anyone "depriving the people of their right to act freely as long as they did not break the law." The remark was intended for those groups which embrace Al-Qaeda's ideas.

The Haniyeh government and the Hamas movement go to lengths to distance themselves from Al-Qaeda ideology. In a remarkable move, they clamped down on the Army of Islam, the group that was holding British journalist Allan Johnston hostage. The Army of Islam is a clan- based group that acts much like Al-Qaeda. It demanded the release of some of Al-Qaeda suspects held in Britain, including Abu Qatada. Haniyeh's security personnel and the fighters of the military wing of Hamas encircled the neighbourhood in which Johnston was held, abducted several top aides of Momtaz Deghmesh, leader of the Army of Islam, and thereby forced him to release Johnston.

A well-informed source in Hamas said that the movement's action against the Army of Islam was not inspired by a desire to win international sympathy or prove the movement's credentials. Hamas is simply opposed to Al-Qaeda's ideas. The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that some Al-Qaeda leaders regard the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) as an atheist organisation. Hamas, by contrast, sees itself as part of the MB. "Should we allow Al-Qaeda to have a free rein; it would end up attacking us," he remarked.

So it is hard to take seriously President Mahmoud Abbas's claim that Hamas was trying to establish an "emirate of darkness" in Gaza along the style of the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

Walid Modallal, political science professor and prominent commentator, explained that Hamas follows a middle-of-the-road school in Islamic thinking, just like the MB. One may agree or disagree with Hamas, but it is not a movement that is about to copy the style or ideas of Al-Qaeda. Unlike Al-Qaeda, Hamas believes in democracy and the ballot box and wants to maintain close relations with international and regional powers. Modallal cited the efforts Hamas made to consolidate its ties with the Egyptian and Syrian governments, both known for their aversion to the MB. Hamas has also tried to maintain cordial ties with Russia, despite the events in Chechnya. So why are regional and international powers so dismissive of Hamas? You have to look for the answer in the attitude of regional and international powers, not in Hamas's ideology Modallal said.

Atef Odwan, parliamentarian and minister of refugees affairs in the first Hamas government, told me that Hamas was consistently distancing itself from all the ideas of Al-Qaeda. "It is silly to spend time making comparisons between Hamas and Al-Qaeda, but it may be helpful to note the position of the two groups toward women. Al-Qaeda doesn't allow women to be educated at schools. Hamas, by contrast, has female candidates on its parliamentary list, appointed women to cabinet positions, and encouraged women to get involved in media, political and social activities of the movement." Odwan said that Hamas believes that citizens have the right to act as they please, so long as they break no laws.

Interestingly enough, Abbas's suggestion that Hamas was mimicking Al-Qaeda made no impact at all in Israel, where the issue was put to rest a long time ago.

In late December 2001, Israel's internal security service, Shabak, said it seized a document written by Hamas leaders detained in Israeli prisons. In that document, imprisoned Hamas leaders warned against the spread of Al-Qaeda's ideas in Palestinian circles and especially among Hamas members. Imprisoned Hamas leaders described Al-Qaeda's thinking as "isolationist and destructive." The imprisoned leaders urged their colleagues to do everything possible to stop Al-Qaeda's ideas from gaining ground among Hamas supporters. Later on, preachers at mosques controlled by Hamas started warning the congregation against "admiring" 9/11, reminding worshippers that the Palestinians cannot survive without international support.

Former Shabak chief Ofer Dekel, a man who used to be in charge of security operations against Hamas, is of the same opinion. He told Yediot Aharonot on 16 March 2006 that massive differences existed between Hamas and Al-Qaeda. Hamas believes in a combination of political work and military pressure and it understands the need for regional alliances and for public support. None of this is true for Al-Qaeda, Dekel remarked.

Hamas versus Al-Qaeda

 

[Jos]

That press conference will be very interesting.

BTW Turkish news showed this clip, which they say shows Israeli troops murdering U.S. citizen Furkan Dogan:

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That does not look like a military rifle to me. I wish I had the equipment to enhance the video and get a better look. One thing I know for sure is that I would not fire an M-16 into someone laying on the deck of a ship if I was standing directly over him, that would be incredibly stupid. (I know the IDF does not carry M-16s, it is just that I am familiar with the M-16 from having fired them.)

Looks like a 9mm uzi fitted with a sound suppressor, you can hear one being fired at 4min 39 (right after the single shots from an un-suppressed weapon) in the following video
Israeli Navy Attacks Gaza Freedom Flotilla | Cultures of Resistance

 

[Jos]

Previous link has changed toYou can hear the suppressed machine gun firing Three bursts @ 4mins 39sec
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQXA7y-vbpo[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dbxxm1EhAU]YouTube - CONFIRMED Israeli soldiers used suppressed Uzi Sub-Machine Guns[/ame]
Which might explain why people were shot in the front and back, the impact of the rounds would spin you round.