Examining The South’s Chances To Win The Civil War

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    The Union used to be voluntary, as the Framers intended, before the Hamiltonian Abraham Lincoln came along. Of course, with the Civil War, that principle was destroyed.
     
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    Washington DC might just as well leave the Union

    Washington was the political capitol of the US, NYC was the financial capitol
     
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    Voluntary to join, not voluntary to jump in and out as you please

    The founders had specific conditions for joining the union.......none for leaving
     
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    The union was voluntary to join, yes; to leave, no.
     
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    It isn’t like adding ingredients to a stew
    Once they are added, they become part of the whole meal

    Once a state joins the union, they gain its benefits, assume national debt, receive investments from the country and its citizens are now AMERICANS
     
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    Once the states started seceding, the US should have sent hunter-killer teams after the leading secessionists.

    They were their version of terrorist beyond the normal reach of the US: thus, they should have been eliminated as soon as possible by any means possible.
     
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    The only chance the South had to prevail was an early victory forcing the filthy ass Union to sue for peace. Logistics was against them for any extended engagement.

    Historians will disagree on the timing of a decisive campaign but probably the best chance was if the South could have followed up the victory at Bull Run and marched on the DC and captured the seat of the Federal government.

    Others think a more decisive victory at Chancellorsville and not losing Jackson could have led to the Union calling it quits.

    By the time Gettysburg took place all was lost for the South because of the losses in the West.
     
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    Yes, a Manassas victory followed by a supplied, organized effort to take DC and force a truce then a peace.
     
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    The South came close to victory at Gettysburg
    Hesitation at key points in the battle cost them victory. If Stonewall Jackson had been there instead of Ewell, they could have won on day 2

    Lee’s Army running unchecked through Pennsylvania could have forced the North to sue for peace
     
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    I don't think so, rw.

    Meade would have fallen back toward Baltimore and DC, keeping his Army in front of Lee.

    Lee's army was simply too big to supply rampaging the country side.

    And then the civilian 'pot shotting' at CSA outliers as happened before the battle would have grown to tens of thousands of civilians with guns marching to the 'sound of battle' to pick off a Southerner.
     
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