Europe's Long-Standing Dislike of America

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    In Europe, Dislike of America Runs Deep
    By Jonah Goldberg, The New Hampshire Union-Leader
    September 15, 2005

    HERE'S A GLOOMY thought for you: America is going to be lonely for a very long time. After reading the October issue of The American Enterprise, "Red America, Blue Europe," that's the only conclusion one can draw.

    There is a grand myth that the world, particularly Europe, loved America before George W. Bush came into office. The reality is that it only dislikes us a bit more than it used to.

    Anti-American books tore up the best-seller list in France throughout the Clinton Presidency. The staged anti-globalization riots during the 1990s were not love letters to America or the Democratic Party. In 1999, Bill Clinton needed 10,000 policemen to protect him from Greek activists who aimed to firebomb him. Protesters in Athens continually pulled down a statue of Harry Truman. Despite the relentless jackassery of people like Michael Moore and others who attributed 9/11 to Bush's policies — including our failure to sign the Kyoto Treaty (stop laughing) — al-Qaida got its operation up and running throughout the sunny days of Bill Clinton and the dotcom bubble.

    In the 1980s, anti-Americanism was also a big problem, but fortunately the elites of Europe generally understood — with some lamentable exceptions — it was better to have America as a friend than the Soviet Union as a ruler.

    http://www.theunionleader.com/articles_showfast.html?article=60435
     
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    My experience in Europe is they like Americans but don't like the American government. They don't hassle you personally just because you are an American. Now Germans, they are pretty much universally disliked.
     
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    My best friend is from France (The Basque Country). A friend who is a flight attendant and does a Paris layover each week brought him a French newspaper. The paper had an 8 page story on New Orleans. He told me that the article was such an incredible load of propaganda bullshit it surprised even him. They claim in the article that the U.S. is pretty much over. This Hurricane has destroyed our economy, gas is 6 dollars a gallon, farmers are not able to get the country food and it is just rotting at their home ports, there is fighting and civil unrest across the country. Oh and of course, IT'S ALL GEORGE BUSH'S FAULT.
    My friend, who claims he doesn't want to ever go back to Europe and is working on his United States citizenship after spending a lot of money and 7 years of working here, is ashamed of the country he has left. He doesn't label himself politically but has a great deal of respect for President Bush. He is very excited at the thought of being able to be reborn as an American. :salute:
     
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    as if that was any type of shocker. but if we lived our lives by what we thought people thought of us, we'd get no where.
     
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    I know what the french newspapper said, I read them, and same for TV.

    They don't think that's GW Bush's fault.
    they said : this hurricane was an awful disaster for New Orleans, Louisiana (and Mississippi), and USA in general. The USA had to take in their oil strategic stock.
    It would cost several dozen billions of dollars.
    Millions people are homeless.
    That's only facts, not propaganda.

    And after, the newspapper or TV said that the US federal administration wasn't able to take the good things to help, evacuate and preserve the inhabitants and the cities (ex : several experts said since some years that the dams would'nt be stronger enough to resist...)

    Not GW Bush : the US administration, during the days before and the days after.

    Even your president admit it. So, no propaganda, even Bush said it was his administration's fault.

    And a last thing about this : the main thing coming out from this articles and TV news is the pain of the victims and the drama and tragedy of the USA.
    (of course if you gave to your french friend an engaged newspapper, obviously anti Bush....but it is not a real information source. Imagine : i read only The Sun...a piece of shit. well, every countries have such newspappers.)

    About the "hate of Europe" against USA : not at all, people don't like Bush, but not the US population.
    maybe in Europe we find you to much arrogant and self confident, and with a willing of world domination, but the US citizen is not hated, personly I don't like Bush but I like the Americans.

    And be sure that in Europe the most patr of the people, if you feel they don't like you, do only a reflexion feeling : they do with you as you would be GW Bush. but nobody hjave something against you in particular.

    (I don't like Chirac. Do I hate French ? No ! i am french and i love French and France. same thing for Bush and USA ;) )
     
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    Padisha,
    I didn't give Philippe the Figaro newspaper, a flight attendant did. He is the one that read the article and called it propaganda, he has lived here for the last 6 years and really likes President Bush because he isn't depending on biased socialist newspapers to get his information. He has listened to his speeches and agrees with him.
    I really don't care what Euros think of me, I won't go there as long as they continue to kiss muslim ass. I don't need to see Europe, I would rather spend my vacation money here in the U.S. I have traveled and lived all over the U.S. and still have a great deal to see, I will always choose to go to Yosemite over Paris anyday, that is just me.
    I can understand why the French hate the Bush Administration, it is the same reason the feminist women hate them here. . . .they have a big set of testicals, they aren't afraid to do the right thing, and they don't care what anyone thinks, they are going to do what is best for the United States.
    That is what I like about them especially my President.
    Oh and the suffering that you saw was the direct result of a Democrat(socialist) government that didn't do anything right, they stole the money and let their constituancy suffer because they know thatif they were stupid enough to vote Dmocrat , they will believe anything and will vote for them again.
     
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    come on !

    What do you know about France, our newspapper, about Europe and Europeans ? only the things you saw on Fox News ? Wow ! for a biased media; Fow News win the prize.

    So, stop to critisize always us when you can make critics to USA too. ;)
     
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    Hey Padimwit,
    My French friend is the one that said that, I don't read french so I don't have a clue how much your newspapers suck. I do read english and have seen how bad the newspapers are in Ireland, England and Scotland.
    Have you ever watched Fox News? I didn't think so. :blah2:
     
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    and you accuse americans of and i quote "......find you to much arrogant and self confident,...."

    you also said...., and i quote "....and with a willing of world domination..."

    please list the american colonies? french colonies? how many do you all still rule?
     
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    I definitally got this idea when I was over there. Many just don't like Americas politics and feel the US tries to be the worlds big brother.

    Most I talked to were under the impression that all Americans are rich, since those are the only people they see, middle aged with no children especially.

    They also don't understand why Americans don't travel more. I tried explaining that traveling between states here is like them traveling between countries there (distance wise anyway), and the cost is very high.

    My mother was overseas during Katrina and most of the comments to her were "how did this happen in rich America". She tried to explain that New Orleans was a high crime city before the hurricane, but she got the idea that people still didn't get it.
     

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