End corporate welfare!

[Two Thumbs]

Also, once again, libs are running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare.

Must mean that it's only a political ploy to enrich their allies while impoverishing their enemies.

Didn't see THAT coming... did we?

Nope, had no idea that all welfare is bad. Nope, none at all.

 

[CountofTuscany]

It will raise the cost of food on all fronts. Anything that uses corn based products in it's production from feed to derivative products to the land used to grow it. Farmers will decrease less profitable crops and move to corn. They could use switchgrass and still do damage in this regard.

It will damage gas prices by ethanol mandates.

It will damage cars as is well known by mechanics on how alcohol rots seals and rings and all sorts of other parts due to ethanol's corrosive nature.

It causes more accidents by dripping water out the exhaust onto the pavement in winter making intersections more slick and dangerous.

It damages the water table by how much water is needed to produce the product. Plus the ethanol plants give off major health risks in it's waste gases. You cannot have it close to people like a beer brewery or distillery.

Ethanol, when burned has been shown to produce MORE greenhouse gases like CO2 than burning Diesel. It is not nicer on the environment.

Ethanol is a fuckup of the first water.

You don't have to convince me. I am totally not a fan of it. But Walmart is and has invested heavily in it. That should tell you something.

Walmart is getting in bed with big government because they're being worn down by them and know that the destruction of the dollar, without having government back them is their death knell.

It's called (to their thinking, not mine) "Good Business". It's one of the reasons my shopping there has dramatically dropped off. It's also the same attitude on why I won't buy a GM, Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge.

It's why Walmart entered their partnership with Murphy Oil too.

 

[Big Fitz]

Also, once again, libs are running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare.

Must mean that it's only a political ploy to enrich their allies while impoverishing their enemies.

Didn't see THAT coming... did we?

Nope, had no idea that all welfare is bad. Nope, none at all.

>snort< ROFL

 

[Wry Catcher]

Also, once again, libs are running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare.

Must mean that it's only a political ploy to enrich their allies while impoverishing their enemies.

Didn't see THAT coming... did we?

"libs" aren't, "running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare". Your continued hyperbole is untruthful and unhelpful as well as a sign of simplistic thinking (maybe I give you too much credit by using the word "thinking"; bombastic emoting is more apt).

* Not all "libs" hold the same opinions

* Welfare is now known as Temporary Aid to Needy Families (TANF)

* Not all recipients of TANF are lazy, bums, etc.

* No one gets rich receiving TANF

* 'Workfare' makes sense; as did the old CETA program (Comprehensive Employment & Training Act).

* The New Right, of which I suspect you are a member, aka a callous conservative, are generally simplistiic concrete thinkers (again that word); problem solving is limited by an ideology which vitiates pragmatic solutions for plans which have a negative affect on others.

 

[The Rabbi]

Also, once again, libs are running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare.

Must mean that it's only a political ploy to enrich their allies while impoverishing their enemies.

Didn't see THAT coming... did we?

* Welfare is now known as Temporary Aid to Needy Families (TANF)

All right! Change the name, change the reality.
Unfortunately it isn't that simple and "temporary" has a way of becoming "permanent" because the incentives to remain there are enormous.

 

[Oddball]

* Welfare is now known as Temporary Aid to Needy Families (TANF)

Thank you, George Orwell.

* The New Right, of which I suspect you are a member, aka a callous conservative, are generally simplistiic concrete thinkers (again that word); problem solving is limited by an ideology which vitiates pragmatic solutions for plans which have a negative affect on others.

No, the vast bulk of us reject the notion of state aggression and expropriation, enabled and approved of by self-righteous do-gooder jackasses like you, as "compassion".

 

[Two Thumbs]

Also, once again, libs are running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare.

Must mean that it's only a political ploy to enrich their allies while impoverishing their enemies.

Didn't see THAT coming... did we?

"libs" aren't, "running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare". Your continued hyperbole is untruthful and unhelpful as well as a sign of simplistic thinking (maybe I give you too much credit by using the word "thinking"; bombastic emoting is more apt).

* Not all "libs" hold the same opinions

* Welfare is now known as Temporary Aid to Needy Families (TANF)

* Not all recipients of TANF are lazy, bums, etc.

* No one gets rich receiving TANF

* 'Workfare' makes sense; as did the old CETA program (Comprehensive Employment & Training Act).

* The New Right, of which I suspect you are a member, aka a callous conservative, are generally simplistiic concrete thinkers (again that word); problem solving is limited by an ideology which vitiates pragmatic solutions for plans which have a negative affect on others.

An adult can get welfare for abot 2-4 years. However, if this adult is a woman with a newborn, she will get money for the next 18 years. If she has 3 more kids, she will get more money and keep getting money untill the youngest is 18. This does not keep her from getting knocked up again and again, to literally stay on welfare all her productive life.

TANF is a bold face lie

 

[Wry Catcher]

Also, once again, libs are running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare.

Must mean that it's only a political ploy to enrich their allies while impoverishing their enemies.

Didn't see THAT coming... did we?

"libs" aren't, "running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare". Your continued hyperbole is untruthful and unhelpful as well as a sign of simplistic thinking (maybe I give you too much credit by using the word "thinking"; bombastic emoting is more apt).

* Not all "libs" hold the same opinions

* Welfare is now known as Temporary Aid to Needy Families (TANF)

* Not all recipients of TANF are lazy, bums, etc.

* No one gets rich receiving TANF

* 'Workfare' makes sense; as did the old CETA program (Comprehensive Employment & Training Act).

* The New Right, of which I suspect you are a member, aka a callous conservative, are generally simplistiic concrete thinkers (again that word); problem solving is limited by an ideology which vitiates pragmatic solutions for plans which have a negative affect on others.

An adult can get welfare for abot 2-4 years. However, if this adult is a woman with a newborn, she will get money for the next 18 years. If she has 3 more kids, she will get more money and keep getting money untill the youngest is 18. This does not keep her from getting knocked up again and again, to literally stay on welfare all her productive life.

TANF is a bold face lie

Wrong. Wrong because of ignorance or intention to mislead, that becomes the question.

TANF is a Federal Program which allows the several states to implement welfare reform within the parameters established by the Congress. Google TANF and/or Health and Human Services/Administration for Children and Families.

 

[Wry Catcher]

* Welfare is now known as Temporary Aid to Needy Families (TANF)

Thank you, George Orwell.

* The New Right, of which I suspect you are a member, aka a callous conservative, are generally simplistiic concrete thinkers (again that word); problem solving is limited by an ideology which vitiates pragmatic solutions for plans which have a negative affect on others.

No, the vast bulk of us reject the notion of state aggression and expropriation, enabled and approved of by self-righteous do-gooder jackasses like you, as "compassion".

Thanks for sharing Odd-Dude, it's always nice to read a simplistic ad hominem from you. It's nice to see you've broadened your rhetoric and dropped the Fabian Socialist comment for a simple George Orwell + emoticon. Very creative, very thoughtful, indeed!

 

[Two Thumbs]

"libs" aren't, "running like hell to get away from the challenge to end ALL welfare". Your continued hyperbole is untruthful and unhelpful as well as a sign of simplistic thinking (maybe I give you too much credit by using the word "thinking"; bombastic emoting is more apt).

* Not all "libs" hold the same opinions

* Welfare is now known as Temporary Aid to Needy Families (TANF)

* Not all recipients of TANF are lazy, bums, etc.

* No one gets rich receiving TANF

* 'Workfare' makes sense; as did the old CETA program (Comprehensive Employment & Training Act).

* The New Right, of which I suspect you are a member, aka a callous conservative, are generally simplistiic concrete thinkers (again that word); problem solving is limited by an ideology which vitiates pragmatic solutions for plans which have a negative affect on others.

An adult can get welfare for abot 2-4 years. However, if this adult is a woman with a newborn, she will get money for the next 18 years. If she has 3 more kids, she will get more money and keep getting money untill the youngest is 18. This does not keep her from getting knocked up again and again, to literally stay on welfare all her productive life.

TANF is a bold face lie

Wrong. Wrong because of ignorance or intention to mislead, that becomes the question.

TANF is a Federal Program which allows the several states to implement welfare reform within the parameters established by the Congress. Google TANF and/or Health and Human Services/Administration for Children and Families.

Then explain to me how my ex can be on welfare for the last 7 years.

 

[Oddball]

* Welfare is now known as Temporary Aid to Needy Families (TANF)

Thank you, George Orwell.

* The New Right, of which I suspect you are a member, aka a callous conservative, are generally simplistiic concrete thinkers (again that word); problem solving is limited by an ideology which vitiates pragmatic solutions for plans which have a negative affect on others.

No, the vast bulk of us reject the notion of state aggression and expropriation, enabled and approved of by self-righteous do-gooder jackasses like you, as "compassion".

Thanks for sharing Odd-Dude, it's always nice to read a simplistic ad hominem from you. It's nice to see you've broadened your rhetoric and dropped the Fabian Socialist comment for a simple George Orwell + emoticon. Very creative, very thoughtful, indeed!

Nice to see you view the truth as a "a simplistic ad hominem".

Truth is that your brand of "compassion" is thinly veiled aggression against your neighbor, at gunpoint if necessary, under the cynical rubric that you're a far better and more "compassionate" man than he.

Truth is that your political ethos is no better than that of the common street thug, with the principal difference that the hoodlum will only rob me once and not nag me about helping the poooooor and the chiillllldrrreeennnnn.

 

[Wry Catcher]

An adult can get welfare for abot 2-4 years. However, if this adult is a woman with a newborn, she will get money for the next 18 years. If she has 3 more kids, she will get more money and keep getting money untill the youngest is 18. This does not keep her from getting knocked up again and again, to literally stay on welfare all her productive life.

TANF is a bold face lie

Wrong. Wrong because of ignorance or intention to mislead, that becomes the question.

TANF is a Federal Program which allows the several states to implement welfare reform within the parameters established by the Congress. Google TANF and/or Health and Human Services/Administration for Children and Families.

Then explain to me how my ex can be on welfare for the last 7 years.

Don't know. Of course you may not be telling a truth.

Each state has implemented welfare reform differently. Federal rules limit the time for receiving benefits; any additonal benefits she receives beyond the federal limits is likely state dollars. Maybe her Ex is a deadbeat dad and that impacts benefits (it might also mean you have warrants out for you). If your Ex is supporting your children and you are not, it's likely you have a big payout awaiting.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Thank you, George Orwell.


No, the vast bulk of us reject the notion of state aggression and expropriation, enabled and approved of by self-righteous do-gooder jackasses like you, as "compassion".

Thanks for sharing Odd-Dude, it's always nice to read a simplistic ad hominem from you. It's nice to see you've broadened your rhetoric and dropped the Fabian Socialist comment for a simple George Orwell + emoticon. Very creative, very thoughtful, indeed!

Nice to see you view the truth as a "a simplistic ad hominem".

Truth is that your brand of "compassion" is thinly veiled aggression against your neighbor, at gunpoint if necessary, under the cynical rubric that you're a far better and more "compassionate" man than he.

Truth is that your political ethos is no better than that of the common street thug, with the principal difference that the hoodlum will only rob me once and not nag me about helping the poooooor and the chiillllldrrreeennnnn.

Awww, poor Odd-dude, he feels nagged.

I simply believe you're a selfish asshole and hide behind an ideology (which in fact is based on avarice and bigotry, evidenced by the posts of the many callous conservatives on this message board).

My brand of "political ethos" is eclectic based on equal parts of life experience, education and an interest in problem solving. Your's is the magical thinkiing of children, cut off welfare and the economy will be fixed.

 

[Oddball]

See what I mean?

If I don't live up to how YOU define "compassion" (i.e. questioning the effectiveness, moral validity, etcetera) of the socialistic welfare state, that makes me the "selfish asshole".

Thanks for showing for one and all to see that this all about YOU feeling good about yourself, by forcing everyone else to live up to your self-centered notion of "compassion", at gunpoint if necessary, completely over and above giving a shit about the pooooooor and the chiillllllldrrreeennnn, you self-righteous, do-gooding commie gasbag.

 

[Wry Catcher]

See what I mean?

If I don't live up to how YOU define "compassion" (i.e. questioning the effectiveness, moral validity, etcetera) of the socialistic welfare state, that makes me the "selfish asshole".

Thanks for showing for one and all to see that this all about YOU feeling good about yourself, by forcing everyone else to live up to your self-centered notion of "compassion", at gunpoint if necessary, completely over and above giving a shit about the pooooooor and the chiillllllldrrreeennnn, you self-righteous, do-gooding commie gasbag.

I do feel good about myself. If calling you a selfish asshole makes me self-righteous, so be it. I've always had compassion for the poor, the infirm and children, you obviously do not. I used the term selfish asshole to describe you, because it does.

Calling me a "commie" is both inaccurate and childish - not that I'd expect anything else from you.

 

[Steelplate]

That's what I find amusing Wry Catcher...

Conservatives have the absolute Gall to call Progressives "elitists", when our values are very much about helping those in need, while there's are an ever-expanding mantra of "Why should I have to pay!!!"

Who are the real elitists in this country?

 

[bripat9643]

* The New Right, of which I suspect you are a member, aka a callous conservative, are generally simplistiic concrete thinkers (again that word); problem solving is limited by an ideology which vitiates pragmatic solutions for plans which have a negative affect on others.

Only a libtard could be so delusional that he believes his schemes to bring on Utopia don't have a negative affect on anyone.

Do you actually believe paying 50% of your income to the government isn't a big negative?

 

[Oddball]

That's what I find amusing Wry Catcher...

Conservatives have the absolute Gall to call Progressives "elitists", when our values are very much about helping those in need, while there's are an ever-expanding mantra of "Why should I have to pay!!!"

Who are the real elitists in this country?

This what I find so amusing about Fabian socialist/progressive pinko dickweeds...They presume that just because some people are against being coerced into gubmint-run "charity", that they're against giving as a matter of course.

FYI, dickweed, the question isn't "Why should I have to pay?", but "Who the fuck are you to decide which charity is worthy of my forced support and which isn't?"......Elitist dickweed.

 

[Oddball]

See what I mean?

If I don't live up to how YOU define "compassion" (i.e. questioning the effectiveness, moral validity, etcetera) of the socialistic welfare state, that makes me the "selfish asshole".

Thanks for showing for one and all to see that this all about YOU feeling good about yourself, by forcing everyone else to live up to your self-centered notion of "compassion", at gunpoint if necessary, completely over and above giving a shit about the pooooooor and the chiillllllldrrreeennnn, you self-righteous, do-gooding commie gasbag.

I do feel good about myself. If calling you a selfish asshole makes me self-righteous, so be it. I've always had compassion for the poor, the infirm and children, you obviously do not. I used the term selfish asshole to describe you, because it does.

Calling me a "commie" is both inaccurate and childish - not that I'd expect anything else from you.

Of course you feel good about yourself...That's the end game of your gubmint lords and masters, foo.

Congratulations for being an unthinking useful idiot tool of the state....After all, it's the easy play....Lord knows that a career toady for The Man would never choose a path involving any real personal difficulty.

 

[The T]

* The New Right, of which I suspect you are a member, aka a callous conservative, are generally simplistiic concrete thinkers (again that word); problem solving is limited by an ideology which vitiates pragmatic solutions for plans which have a negative affect on others.

Only a libtard could be so delusional that he believes his schemes to bring on Utopia don't have a negative affect on anyone.

Do you actually believe paying 50% of your income to the government isn't a big negative?

And that would pre-suppose that Liberty is an empty promise...and Government is making SURE that it is...