End corporate welfare!

[Wry Catcher]

Today the government pays refiners 45 cents a gallon through a tax credit to refine corn-based ethanol. An additional 54 cents a gallon tarirff blocks imports of less expensive and more energy efficient sugar-based ethanol from Brazil. Corn-based ethanol is mandated by federal law benefitting the farm belt.

Big oil, big agra benefit and we the people lose. For details on this bill, which is supported by members of both parties, and opposed by those who represent special interests, see the source below.


Feinstein, GOP senator fight subsidies for ethanol

 

[JBeukema]

Won't happen. Big Oil wants Corn to be the only Ethanol in town. It allows people to have the illusion of freedom and alternative energy sources without constituting a real threat to the existing system.

 

[Trajan]

I agree becasue it doesn't work, its just pigs feeding at the trough. Newt is a DB.....they all are.

 

[Wry Catcher]

I hope you're wrong. Feinstein and Coburn are powerful senators and their argument is sound. At risk of inciting the Red Scare crowd, if the bill passes it might be a way to entice Cuba to further liberalize and produce large amounts of sugar cane for processing.

 

[Trajan]

you lost me with the cuba sugar cane thing....what exactly does that mean?

 

[JBeukema]

you lost me with the cuba sugar cane thing....what exactly does that mean?

I think (s)he means that Cuba might be able to produce large quantiles of low-quality sugar cane, which is ideal for producing sugar cane ethanol. [Cane sugar used for fuel production does not need to be fit for consumption]

This could be a source of wealth for Cuba and, coupled with socio-political and other economic reforms (such as ending the embargo and purchasing their sugar cane for refinement) could be part of a strategy for the advancement of Cuba.

If Cuba could grow the cane in sufficient quantities as a part of their overall economic production, it could form the basis of a mutually beneficial arrangement that provided some of our fuel needs and helped us break our dependency on Middle Eastern oil while promoting economic growth in Cuba and encouraging the development of the market there.

The obvious problem with such a proposal, of course, is the current political picture in Cuba.

 

[RadiomanATL]

Today the government pays refiners 45 cents a gallon through a tax credit to refine corn-based ethanol. An additional 54 cents a gallon tarirff blocks imports of less expensive and more energy efficient sugar-based ethanol from Brazil. Corn-based ethanol is mandated by federal law benefitting the farm belt.

Big oil, big agra benefit and we the people lose. For details on this bill, which is supported by members of both parties, and opposed by those who represent special interests, see the source below.


Feinstein, GOP senator fight subsidies for ethanol

Simple first-step to a solution:

Don't make Iowa one of the first caucus states in presidential elections.

 

[Trajan]

The obvious problem with such a proposal, of course, is the current political picture in Cuba.

uhm yes its 'problematic' and if that's the case why don't we just import ethanol from Brazil? Remember that battle?


Because the whole thing is a hustle, thats why, its a subsidy for reps and ems in districts and states how so they an buy votes and influence, there would be no way a single drop of Cuban sugar would ever get here....

 

[bripat9643]

Won't happen. Big Oil wants Corn to be the only Ethanol in town. It allows people to have the illusion of freedom and alternative energy sources without constituting a real threat to the existing system.

Why would oil companies give a crap about corn? If anything, it cuts into their business.

Libtards can't go three posts without blaming "big oil" for something.

 

[Mr. H.]

Ethanol was forced on us, and blenders as well. It's net contribution is worthless.
Petroleum refineries don't refine ethanol. It's a pain in the ass to blend, transport, and market.

 

[Wry Catcher]

you lost me with the cuba sugar cane thing....what exactly does that mean?

While not exactly moving towards a market economy, Cuba under new leadership maybe receptive to thawing relations with us (if we are with them) and trade with mutual benefits is a good start. Cuba is a huge producer of Sugar Cane, used in Brazil to make ethanol.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Won't happen. Big Oil wants Corn to be the only Ethanol in town. It allows people to have the illusion of freedom and alternative energy sources without constituting a real threat to the existing system.

Why would oil companies give a crap about corn? If anything, it cuts into their business.

Libtards can't go three posts without blaming "big oil" for something.

You missed the point. Big Agra is the main benefactor. The refiners benefit too. Read the link in the OP, put aside your partisan perspective and think.

 

[Wry Catcher]

you lost me with the cuba sugar cane thing....what exactly does that mean?

I think (s)he means that Cuba might be able to produce large quantiles of low-quality sugar cane, which is ideal for producing sugar cane ethanol. [Cane sugar used for fuel production does not need to be fit for consumption]

This could be a source of wealth for Cuba and, coupled with socio-political and other economic reforms (such as ending the embargo and purchasing their sugar cane for refinement) could be part of a strategy for the advancement of Cuba.

If Cuba could grow the cane in sufficient quantities as a part of their overall economic production, it could form the basis of a mutually beneficial arrangement that provided some of our fuel needs and helped us break our dependency on Middle Eastern oil while promoting economic growth in Cuba and encouraging the development of the market there.

The obvious problem with such a proposal, of course, is the current political picture in Cuba.

The political picture is changing and has been since Raul Castro took over from his brother. Economic interests supersede political ideology when the latter isn't effective.

 

[Mr. H.]

Won't happen. Big Oil wants Corn to be the only Ethanol in town. It allows people to have the illusion of freedom and alternative energy sources without constituting a real threat to the existing system.

Why would oil companies give a crap about corn? If anything, it cuts into their business.

Libtards can't go three posts without blaming "big oil" for something.

You missed the point. Big Agra is the main benefactor. The refiners benefit too. Read the link in the OP, put aside your partisan perspective and think.

Ethanol is distilled, not refined.
Blenders benefit. Not all ethanol is blended at refineries.

 

[Steelplate]

Why would oil companies give a crap about corn? If anything, it cuts into their business.

Libtards can't go three posts without blaming "big oil" for something.

Oh... C'mon dude.

We can't go three posts? I personally haven't mentioned big oil yet... but I am now.

Even on the consumer level, you can see how fucked up they are. As soon as they see the price of crude jump even the slightest bit, they tack on to our price/gallon. When it drops.... they drag their feet until they have to drop it.

That's just at the pump and at the consumer level. If you are so infatuated with "Big Money" to the point that you are willing to ignore even that, you are a walking rock(as in intelligence).

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Won't happen. Big Oil wants Corn to be the only Ethanol in town. It allows people to have the illusion of freedom and alternative energy sources without constituting a real threat to the existing system.

Big oil? From the OP.

Farm state Sens. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, and Kent Conrad, D-N.D., began a rearguard action, introducing a bill that would extend the ethanol tax credit through 2016, but at declining levels.

Big oil doesn't get most of the money that comes from those subsidies.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Today the government pays refiners 45 cents a gallon through a tax credit to refine corn-based ethanol. An additional 54 cents a gallon tarirff blocks imports of less expensive and more energy efficient sugar-based ethanol from Brazil. Corn-based ethanol is mandated by federal law benefitting the farm belt.

Big oil, big agra benefit and we the people lose. For details on this bill, which is supported by members of both parties, and opposed by those who represent special interests, see the source below.


Feinstein, GOP senator fight subsidies for ethanol

Simple first-step to a solution:

Don't make Iowa one of the first caucus states in presidential elections.

Good luck with that.

 

[The T]

Today the government pays refiners 45 cents a gallon through a tax credit to refine corn-based ethanol. An additional 54 cents a gallon tarirff blocks imports of less expensive and more energy efficient sugar-based ethanol from Brazil. Corn-based ethanol is mandated by federal law benefitting the farm belt.

Big oil, big agra benefit and we the people lose. For details on this bill, which is supported by members of both parties, and opposed by those who represent special interests, see the source below.


Feinstein, GOP senator fight subsidies for ethanol

Government doesn't PAY SQUAT. Your FIRST mistake.

 

[bripat9643]

Won't happen. Big Oil wants Corn to be the only Ethanol in town. It allows people to have the illusion of freedom and alternative energy sources without constituting a real threat to the existing system.

Why would oil companies give a crap about corn? If anything, it cuts into their business.

Libtards can't go three posts without blaming "big oil" for something.

You missed the point. Big Agra is the main benefactor. The refiners benefit too. Read the link in the OP, put aside your partisan perspective and think.

The claim is that "big oil" is the main party lobbying for Ethanol. That's pure bullshit. Oil companies do not benefit from Ethanol.

 

[The T]

Why would oil companies give a crap about corn? If anything, it cuts into their business.

Libtards can't go three posts without blaming "big oil" for something.

You missed the point. Big Agra is the main benefactor. The refiners benefit too. Read the link in the OP, put aside your partisan perspective and think.

The claim is that "big oil" is the main party lobbying for Ethanol. That's pure bullshit. Oil companies do not benefit from Ethanol.

Only Gubmint benefits from it by edict...