Electric cars are far cleaner than gas powered cars, we need incentives

[The Original Tree]

Electric cars are heavily dependent on toxic chemicals to be built. Even something as simple as mining the Copper which electric vehicles have an enormous amount of copper in them, are an environmental nightmare.

Here are copper mines seen from space.

The dirty little secret of "renewable" energy

It's not renewable if you are mining the elements and metals like I have shown here. And the Electricity produced to charge these vehicles has to come from Hydrocarbons. No way could we rely on something as undependable as solar or wind.

The entire world will starve or freeze to death if you eliminate hydrocarbons.

We could go 100% nuclear.

This is a bullshit argument. Ummm the downsides of this bad stuff utilized once in building a vehicle vs bad stuff generated every mile they drive,......

Add to that the toxic waste dump that are rare earth metal mines

And we have enough nuclear material sitting around to power the entire country for a couple centuries or more

Nuclear is relatively safe, and provides a good cost to benefit ratio. Yes, once in a while a plant has an issue, and you have a disaster on your hands. But overall, they are worth it.

The safest energy source are Hydrocarbons. They have the smallest footprint, are most cost effective, and we have the technologies to make it Zero Emissions or near Zero.

And even when there is an issue, it is easily cleaned up. We even have Petroleum Eating Bacteria, as Petroleum is an Organic Compound, and can be digested by such organisms.

 

[progressive hunter]

What the ignorant electric car proponents really want is for the government to underwrite the cost and maintenance of these things and tax gas consumption to the point where Americans can't afford to drive anything that isn't sanctioned by the government. If they worked efficiently everyone would be driving them. Someday the private sector might develop something that appeals to the public but don't count on it in the near future.

cant speak for the rest, but I am against any government involvement,,,

just like the ethanol subsidies,,,

 

[Blues Man]

The only incentive needed is for them to be cheaper, more convenient, and drive better than internal combustion engine cars. Until or unless that happens, no other incentives will be effective.

Exactly.....when you wake up in the morning and realize you forgot to plug in your car, then have to wait hours for it to charge? Vs. Spending 5 minutes at a pump to put gas in......

Yeah.....the wonders of electric cars...

EVs have a place in transportation.

Denying that is a bit naive

A tiny place for rich people who have 3 or for regular cars for when they forget to charge their token electric car...

Not at all

People who drive less than 50 miles a day are a great market for Evs

 

[iamwhatiseem]

The power grid was not designed to charge 300 million cars at night.


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That is an excellent point, don't know the validity of it...but it a very good point.
Our grid system is in DIRE need of modernization... and our enemies damn well know it.
But I can certainly see a problem with millions of people all charging their cars at the same time.

 

[2aguy]

What the ignorant electric car proponents really want is for the government to underwrite the cost and maintenance of these things and tax gas consumption to the point where Americans can't afford to drive anything that isn't sanctioned by the government. If they worked efficiently everyone would be driving them. Someday the private sector might develop something that appeals to the public but don't count on it in the near future.

Yes..... in their mentally damaged minds, the idea that people can get in cars and go wherever they want, whenever they want just drives them crazy. That is why they demand public transportation take the place of privately owned automobiles......then they can control movement....They are mentally ill, and need to control everything to feel safe.....

 

[Blues Man]

The dirty little secret of "renewable" energy

It's not renewable if you are mining the elements and metals like I have shown here. And the Electricity produced to charge these vehicles has to come from Hydrocarbons. No way could we rely on something as undependable as solar or wind.

The entire world will starve or freeze to death if you eliminate hydrocarbons.

We could go 100% nuclear.

This is a bullshit argument. Ummm the downsides of this bad stuff utilized once in building a vehicle vs bad stuff generated every mile they drive,......

Add to that the toxic waste dump that are rare earth metal mines

And we have enough nuclear material sitting around to power the entire country for a couple centuries or more

Nuclear is relatively safe, and provided a good cost to benefit ratio. Yes, once in a while a plant has an issue, and you have a disaster on your hands. But overall, they are worth it.

The safest energy source are Hydrocarbons. It has the smallest footprint, is most cost effective, and we have the technologies to make it Zero Emissions or near Zero. And even when there is an issue, it is easily cleaned up. We even have Petroleum Eating Bacteria, as Petroleum is an Organic Compound, and can be digested by such organisms.

Compare the number of deaths per KW produced in the fossil fuel industry against that of the nuclear power industry and tell me which is safer

 

[progressive hunter]

What the ignorant electric car proponents really want is for the government to underwrite the cost and maintenance of these things and tax gas consumption to the point where Americans can't afford to drive anything that isn't sanctioned by the government. If they worked efficiently everyone would be driving them. Someday the private sector might develop something that appeals to the public but don't count on it in the near future.

The problem there is when more people are driving EVs there will not be enough taxes collected to maintain roads,

With the EV will come the per mile driven tax

thats the curse of life in america,,,things have to be paid for,,,

its just you dems and repubes want to steal from me and give to thee for nothing in return,,

 

[Frannie]

If climate concerns are very important to democrats, then we all should be driving electric cars. We need tax incentives to get car buyers into EVs. Also, raising the gas tax to fund infrastructure would be a good thing too.
Charging An Electric Vehicle Is Far Cleaner Than Driving On Gasoline, Everywhere In America
Lets take a poll.

How are electric cars that need coal, oil, gas, or Uranium power plants green

 

[The Original Tree]

What the ignorant electric car proponents really want is for the government to underwrite the cost and maintenance of these things and tax gas consumption to the point where Americans can't afford to drive anything that isn't sanctioned by the government. If they worked efficiently everyone would be driving them. Someday the private sector might develop something that appeals to the public but don't count on it in the near future.

The problem there is when more people are driving EVs there will not be enough taxes collected to maintain roads,

With the EV will come the per mile driven tax

What they will do instead is drive the cost of electricity through the roof to compensate.
People will then start lighting and heating their homes with hydrocarbons and we'll start living like The Amish, because we won't be able to afford any other way.

 

[Blues Man]

What the ignorant electric car proponents really want is for the government to underwrite the cost and maintenance of these things and tax gas consumption to the point where Americans can't afford to drive anything that isn't sanctioned by the government. If they worked efficiently everyone would be driving them. Someday the private sector might develop something that appeals to the public but don't count on it in the near future.

The problem there is when more people are driving EVs there will not be enough taxes collected to maintain roads,

With the EV will come the per mile driven tax

thats the curse of life in america,,,things have to be paid for,,,

its just you dems and repubes want to steal from me and give to thee for nothing in return,,

I am neither a democrat nor a republican

 

[2aguy]

The only incentive needed is for them to be cheaper, more convenient, and drive better than internal combustion engine cars. Until or unless that happens, no other incentives will be effective.

Exactly.....when you wake up in the morning and realize you forgot to plug in your car, then have to wait hours for it to charge? Vs. Spending 5 minutes at a pump to put gas in......

Yeah.....the wonders of electric cars...

EVs have a place in transportation.

Denying that is a bit naive

A tiny place for rich people who have 3 or for regular cars for when they forget to charge their token electric car...

Not at all

People who drive less than 50 miles a day are a great market for Evs

Yeah.....until you have to drive farther.......thanks, but no thanks, I am not paying 36 grand or even more for a car I can't drive more than 50 miles without an entire night of battery charging....

 

[Blues Man]

If climate concerns are very important to democrats, then we all should be driving electric cars. We need tax incentives to get car buyers into EVs. Also, raising the gas tax to fund infrastructure would be a good thing too.
Charging An Electric Vehicle Is Far Cleaner Than Driving On Gasoline, Everywhere In America
Lets take a poll.

How are electric cars that need coal, oil, gas, or Uranium power plants green

Nuclear power is emission free

 

[progressive hunter]

and I hate to break it to you but oil is running out and we can never grow enough corn to replace it,,,or cook enough french fries,,,

No it isn't. That is an uninformed and ignorant statement. In the Bakken Field alone, we have over 300 years of Oil available

if you didnt edit my comment it would make more sense,,,

 

[progressive hunter]

educate

The only incentive needed is for them to be cheaper, more convenient, and drive better than internal combustion engine cars. Until or unless that happens, no other incentives will be effective.

Exactly.....when you wake up in the morning and realize you forgot to plug in your car, then have to wait hours for it to charge? Vs. Spending 5 minutes at a pump to put gas in......

Yeah.....the wonders of electric cars...

EVs have a place in transportation.

Denying that is a bit naive

A tiny place for rich people who have 3 or for regular cars for when they forget to charge their token electric car...

Not at all

People who drive less than 50 miles a day are a great market for Evs

Yeah.....until you have to drive farther.......thanks, but no thanks, I am not paying 36 grand or even more for a car I can't drive more than 50 miles without an entire night of battery charging....

educate yourself most EV's can go over 200 miles,,,

 

[2aguy]

What the ignorant electric car proponents really want is for the government to underwrite the cost and maintenance of these things and tax gas consumption to the point where Americans can't afford to drive anything that isn't sanctioned by the government. If they worked efficiently everyone would be driving them. Someday the private sector might develop something that appeals to the public but don't count on it in the near future.

The problem there is when more people are driving EVs there will not be enough taxes collected to maintain roads,

With the EV will come the per mile driven tax

That is a feature, not a bug, to demcorats.....force the little people off the road through cars they can't afford, and taxes they can't pay, then the roads will be clear for the gas powered SUVs of their moral superiors......the little people can toil away on the crappy busses and trains.....where the homeless people will take up residence, and the human predators will prey on them.....

 

[2aguy]

educate

Exactly.....when you wake up in the morning and realize you forgot to plug in your car, then have to wait hours for it to charge? Vs. Spending 5 minutes at a pump to put gas in......

Yeah.....the wonders of electric cars...

EVs have a place in transportation.

Denying that is a bit naive

A tiny place for rich people who have 3 or for regular cars for when they forget to charge their token electric car...

Not at all

People who drive less than 50 miles a day are a great market for Evs

Yeah.....until you have to drive farther.......thanks, but no thanks, I am not paying 36 grand or even more for a car I can't drive more than 50 miles without an entire night of battery charging....

educate yourself most EV's can go over 200 miles,,,

Until you forget to plug it in..........

Tell me....when your electric car runs out of juice in the middle of a trip....how do you get it to an outlet? Run out of gas and you can get a can of it, bring it to the car and be on your way...........

 

[Edgetho]

Look at their cousins in Russia.....Chernobyl....... democrats can't do anything right...

I'm sorry I have to be partisan but it's the God's Honest Truth.

dimocrap scum would fuck up a one-car-funeral.

Republicans are damned sure no treat but dimocraps? Total fuck-ups.

The best thing is just let Capitalism do its thing. Keep the government out.

Some times, rarely, they mean well but we're talking complete and utter stupidity here, people.

Blame whoever you want -- dimocrap scum, Republicans, The Man in The Moon, whatever -- But government could fuck up a salvage yard.

 

[Blues Man]

The only incentive needed is for them to be cheaper, more convenient, and drive better than internal combustion engine cars. Until or unless that happens, no other incentives will be effective.

Exactly.....when you wake up in the morning and realize you forgot to plug in your car, then have to wait hours for it to charge? Vs. Spending 5 minutes at a pump to put gas in......

Yeah.....the wonders of electric cars...

EVs have a place in transportation.

Denying that is a bit naive

A tiny place for rich people who have 3 or for regular cars for when they forget to charge their token electric car...

Not at all

People who drive less than 50 miles a day are a great market for Evs

Yeah.....until you have to drive farther.......thanks, but no thanks, I am not paying 36 grand or even more for a car I can't drive more than 50 miles without an entire night of battery charging....

American households have an average of more than 2 cars. 35% of them have 3

It's no big deal to have a daily driver that is an EV and then another that is gasoline or diesel

 

[The Original Tree]

Electric cars are heavily dependent on toxic chemicals to be built. Even something as simple as mining the Copper which electric vehicles have an enormous amount of copper in them, are an environmental nightmare.

Here are copper mines seen from space.

The dirty little secret of "renewable" energy

It's not renewable if you are mining the elements and metals like I have shown here. And the Electricity produced to charge these vehicles has to come from Hydrocarbons. No way could we rely on something as undependable as solar or wind.

The entire world will starve or freeze to death if you eliminate hydrocarbons.

who said anything about eliminating them???

its about getting prepared for the future,,,

The Green New Scam wants to eliminate them.

And The Future is Hydrocarbon

Your PC cannot exist without Hydrocarbons, neither can space travel.

The future is nuclear

The Enviro Whackos won't let that happen. They also want to kill Hydrocarbons. If they ever get enough power, their policies will cause Mass Starvation and put us back in The Stone Age.

The Future with The Left is about 10,000 BC.

 

[Blues Man]

What the ignorant electric car proponents really want is for the government to underwrite the cost and maintenance of these things and tax gas consumption to the point where Americans can't afford to drive anything that isn't sanctioned by the government. If they worked efficiently everyone would be driving them. Someday the private sector might develop something that appeals to the public but don't count on it in the near future.

The problem there is when more people are driving EVs there will not be enough taxes collected to maintain roads,

With the EV will come the per mile driven tax

That is a feature, not a bug, to demcorats.....force the little people off the road through cars they can't afford, and taxes they can't pay, then the roads will be clear for the gas powered SUVs of their moral superiors......the little people can toil away on the crappy busses and trains.....where the homeless people will take up residence, and the human predators will prey on them.....

If they can pay gas taxes they can pay an alternate tax to replace the gas tax