Electoral College Breakdown

[Markle]

The States have a voice in Washington
Two Senators and their allocation of Congressmen elected by We the People.......not selected in some back room out of sight from the public

True Democracy

The STATES have no voice in Washington. That's not Democracy, that's a travesty.

 

[JoeB131]

Wait, Iran is bad?

How much cash did Obama send them? What a useless twat, eh?

He returned assets that were rightfully theirs. We got assets that were ours returned as well. That's what you do when you make an agreement.

Now, they STILL have their assets back, but they now have a free hand to make nukes if they really want to.

 

[JoeB131]

The great men who founded this country disagreed, and so do I, and so, I think, would most Americans, if they really thought about it. This system of government was specifically designed to avoid the tyranny of the majority, and to assure the best chance that all Americans had their interests and needs represented in government, and not just those who could be grouped into majorities, over those who could not.

They weren't "Great Men", they were a bunch of Slave owners (which makes them irredeemably evil, Full fucking stop) who didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes for a war they instigated. (While the French and Indian War was part of the Seven Years War in Europe, the British did not want a war with France in North America until the colonists provoked one.)

If the majority votes for something, it's not tyranny. It's democracy.

But let's get down to brass tacks. We've had five elections where the Electoral Anachronism came up with a different result than we would have had if we had just left it to the popular vote.

One was 1824, which resulted in the "Corrupt Bargain" between JQ Adams and Clay. The people revolted and put Andrew Jackson in power the next election.

Next you had 1876, where you had another corrupt bargain when "His Fraudelency" Rutherford B. Hayes gave away the victory in the Civil War and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. (I know being part of a racist cult, this doesn't bother you, but it should bother the rest of us.)

1888- Harrison stole the election from Cleveland, gave us a the Panic of 1893. It was so bad they stopped calling them "Panics" and started calling them "Depressions". (Then the GOP fucked it up again in 1929 and we stopped calling them "Depressions" and started calling them "Recessions". I guess with Trump, we'll need to come up with a new word.)

2000- The people said Gore, the electoral Anachronism says Bush, we got two wars, two recessions, doubled the national debt, and a major city got wiped off the map.

2016- The people said Hillary, the Electoral Anachronism gave us Trump. 26 million unemployed, 50,000 dead, a million people sick.

At some point, maybe we need to trust the people and not just put some guy who is going to piss on everything.

 

[rightwinger]

The States have a voice in Washington
Two Senators and their allocation of Congressmen elected by We the People.......not selected in some back room out of sight from the public

True Democracy

The STATES have no voice in Washington. That's not Democracy, that's a travesty.

Does the Senator and Congressman represent the State or the people in that State?

Think hard!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Wait, Iran is bad?

How much cash did Obama send them? What a useless twat, eh?

He returned assets that were rightfully theirs. We got assets that were ours returned as well. That's what you do when you make an agreement.

Now, they STILL have their assets back, but they now have a free hand to make nukes if they really want to.

He returned assets that were rightfully theirs.

If we ever have assets that are going to be used by the terror supporting regime in Iran to support terror, and build nukes, we should definitely return them.

Now, they STILL have their assets back, but they now have a free hand to make nukes

Because they stopped making nukes under Obama. DURR

One of the dumbest claims ever.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The great men who founded this country disagreed, and so do I, and so, I think, would most Americans, if they really thought about it. This system of government was specifically designed to avoid the tyranny of the majority, and to assure the best chance that all Americans had their interests and needs represented in government, and not just those who could be grouped into majorities, over those who could not.

They weren't "Great Men", they were a bunch of Slave owners (which makes them irredeemably evil, Full fucking stop) who didn't want to pay their fair share in taxes for a war they instigated. (While the French and Indian War was part of the Seven Years War in Europe, the British did not want a war with France in North America until the colonists provoked one.)

If the majority votes for something, it's not tyranny. It's democracy.

But let's get down to brass tacks. We've had five elections where the Electoral Anachronism came up with a different result than we would have had if we had just left it to the popular vote.

One was 1824, which resulted in the "Corrupt Bargain" between JQ Adams and Clay. The people revolted and put Andrew Jackson in power the next election.

Next you had 1876, where you had another corrupt bargain when "His Fraudelency" Rutherford B. Hayes gave away the victory in the Civil War and gave us 100 years of Jim Crow. (I know being part of a racist cult, this doesn't bother you, but it should bother the rest of us.)

1888- Harrison stole the election from Cleveland, gave us a the Panic of 1893. It was so bad they stopped calling them "Panics" and started calling them "Depressions". (Then the GOP fucked it up again in 1929 and we stopped calling them "Depressions" and started calling them "Recessions". I guess with Trump, we'll need to come up with a new word.)

2000- The people said Gore, the electoral Anachronism says Bush, we got two wars, two recessions, doubled the national debt, and a major city got wiped off the map.

2016- The people said Hillary, the Electoral Anachronism gave us Trump. 26 million unemployed, 50,000 dead, a million people sick.

At some point, maybe we need to trust the people and not just put some guy who is going to piss on everything.

If the majority votes for something, it's not tyranny. It's democracy.

The majority just voted to take all your stuff, because you're a whiney twat......…..

2016- The people said Hillary, the Electoral Anachronism gave us Trump. 26 million unemployed, 50,000 dead, a million people sick.

Hillary's vodka would have stopped the Chinavirus, eh?

 

[Indeependent]

Wait, Iran is bad?

How much cash did Obama send them? What a useless twat, eh?

He returned assets that were rightfully theirs. We got assets that were ours returned as well. That's what you do when you make an agreement.

Now, they STILL have their assets back, but they now have a free hand to make nukes if they really want to.

I sincerely hope that those returned assets are used by terrorists to murder you because you are that much of a self-hating American honky asshole.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Does the Senator and Congressman represent the State or the people in that State?

The intent was that the Congressmen would represent the people, and the Senators would represent the state. That's why Congressmen are allocated based on population, while every state gets two Senators regardless of its population; and also why, until the Seventeenth Amendment, Senators were picked by the state legislatures rather than by a direct vote of the people.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

[color=#a0a0a0[B]He returned assets that were rightfully theirs.[/B]

If we ever have assets that are going to be used by the terror supporting regime in Iran to support terror, and build nukes, we should definitely return them.

Now, they STILL have their assets back, but they now have a free hand to make nukes

Because they stopped making nukes under Obama. DURR[/color]

One of the dumbest claims ever.

Remember who you're replying to.

For anyone else, yes, those would be extraordinary dumb claims; but for JoeB131, they're pretty much at his usual level of dumbness.

 

[Markle]

Does the Senator and Congressman represent the State or the people in that State?

Think hard!

The Congressman represents the people and the Senator represents the people. No one represents the state.

 

[rightwinger]

Does the Senator and Congressman represent the State or the people in that State?

Think hard!

The Congressman represents the people and the Senator represents the people. No one represents the state.

They represent the PEOPLE of the state, not the state politicians who appoint them.

Let our representatives be answerable to the people, not the backroom politicians and power brokers

 

[JoeB131]

I sincerely hope that those returned assets are used by terrorists to murder you because you are that much of a self-hating American honky asshole.

Naw, I'll just hand over the Zionists, problem solved.

 

[JoeB131]

He returned assets that were rightfully theirs.

If we ever have assets that are going to be used by the terror supporting regime in Iran to support terror, and build nukes, we should definitely return them.

Uh, not our problem if they use those funds to rid the world of Zionists. But even so, we really had no legal right to keep holding on to their money we had promised to return decades ago.

Now, they STILL have their assets back, but they now have a free hand to make nukes

Because they stopped making nukes under Obama. DURR

One of the dumbest claims ever.

The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) said they were in compliance with the agreement. But never mind, you aren't really interested in pesky things like "Facts".

Remember who you're replying to.

For anyone else, yes, those would be extraordinary dumb claims; but for @JoeB131, they're pretty much at his usual level of dumbness.

Says the guy who thinks he's wearing Magic Underwear. DOn't worry, your Magic Mormon Undies will protect you from the nukes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

He returned assets that were rightfully theirs.

If we ever have assets that are going to be used by the terror supporting regime in Iran to support terror, and build nukes, we should definitely return them.

Uh, not our problem if they use those funds to rid the world of Zionists. But even so, we really had no legal right to keep holding on to their money we had promised to return decades ago.

Now, they STILL have their assets back, but they now have a free hand to make nukes

Because they stopped making nukes under Obama. DURR

One of the dumbest claims ever.

The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) said they were in compliance with the agreement. But never mind, you aren't really interested in pesky things like "Facts".

Remember who you're replying to.

For anyone else, yes, those would be extraordinary dumb claims; but for @JoeB131, they're pretty much at his usual level of dumbness.

Says the guy who thinks he's wearing Magic Underwear. DOn't worry, your Magic Mormon Undies will protect you from the nukes.

Uh, not our problem if they use those funds to rid the world of Zionists.

Or if they use it to kill Americans?

But even so, we really had no legal right to keep holding on to their money

Or any legal obligation to return it, especially if they spend money on terrorism and nukes.

The IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) said they were in compliance with the agreement.

Based on non-inspections, ignoring military facilities and their previous violations.
Real convincing, idiot.

 

[JoeB131]

Or any legal obligation to return it, especially if they spend money on terrorism and nukes.

Actually, the courts had ruled that money should be returned... numerous times.

Based on non-inspections, ignoring military facilities and their previous violations.

No, based on actual inspections.

“Iran is implementing its nuclear commitments,” said Yukiya Amano, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), in March 4 remarks to the agency’s Board of Governors. Amano urged Tehran to continue adhering to the deal, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).

The United States, which withdrew from the agreement in 2018, levied new sanctions on March 22 against Iran’s Organization of Defensive Innovation and Research, purported to employ staff from Iran’s past nuclear weapons research activities.

The IAEA quarterly report on Iran’s nuclear program, released publicly just days after Amano’s statement, contains additional details demonstrating that Iran is abiding by the deal’s terms. It notes that Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium is below the 300-kilogram cap set by the JCPOA and that Iran has not enriched uranium above the limit of 3.67 percent uranium-235, far below the 90 percent level considered useful for weapons purposes.

The report notes that the agency has had access to “all the sites and locations in Iran which it needed to visit.”

IAEA Says Iran Abiding by Nuclear Deal | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

 

[LoneLaugher]

Have any RW nutbags come to this thread and offered their wet dream about how awesome it would be if the red states went to war with the blue states yet?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Or any legal obligation to return it, especially if they spend money on terrorism and nukes.

Actually, the courts had ruled that money should be returned... numerous times.

Based on non-inspections, ignoring military facilities and their previous violations.

No, based on actual inspections.

“Iran is implementing its nuclear commitments,” said Yukiya Amano, director-general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), in March 4 remarks to the agency’s Board of Governors. Amano urged Tehran to continue adhering to the deal, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA).

The United States, which withdrew from the agreement in 2018, levied new sanctions on March 22 against Iran’s Organization of Defensive Innovation and Research, purported to employ staff from Iran’s past nuclear weapons research activities.

The IAEA quarterly report on Iran’s nuclear program, released publicly just days after Amano’s statement, contains additional details demonstrating that Iran is abiding by the deal’s terms. It notes that Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium is below the 300-kilogram cap set by the JCPOA and that Iran has not enriched uranium above the limit of 3.67 percent uranium-235, far below the 90 percent level considered useful for weapons purposes.

The report notes that the agency has had access to “all the sites and locations in Iran which it needed to visit.”

IAEA Says Iran Abiding by Nuclear Deal | Arms Control Association

www.armscontrol.org

Actually, the courts had ruled that money should be returned... numerous times.

And no President had actually returned the money. Until that idiot Obama.

No, based on actual inspections.

How many facilities on military bases were inspected?

The report notes that the agency has had access to “all the sites and locations in Iran which it needed to visit.”

Because it didn't "need" to visit any military sites, eh?

 

[JoeB131]

Because it didn't "need" to visit any military sites, eh?

Well, obviously they visited all the placed they needed to visit.

If Trump had ANY evidence nuclear research was going on anywhere else, we'd have heard about it. But even his own State Department conceded they were in compliance.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Because it didn't "need" to visit any military sites, eh?

Well, obviously they visited all the placed they needed to visit.

If Trump had ANY evidence nuclear research was going on anywhere else, we'd have heard about it. But even his own State Department conceded they were in compliance.

Well, obviously they visited all the placed they needed to visit.

They visited all the places they wanted to visit that the Iranians felt like letting them visit.

 

[rightwinger]

Because it didn't "need" to visit any military sites, eh?

Well, obviously they visited all the placed they needed to visit.

If Trump had ANY evidence nuclear research was going on anywhere else, we'd have heard about it. But even his own State Department conceded they were in compliance.

Well, obviously they visited all the placed they needed to visit.

They visited all the places they wanted to visit that the Iranians felt like letting them visit.

Now, thanks to Trump, they can’t visit at all